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Post by 112288 Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:11 pm

STUDS AND DUDS: GREG MONROE POWERS BUCKS PAST CELTICS, ENDING THEIR FOUR GAME WINNING STEAK.

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By Sam Packard

Feb 9, 2016; Milwaukee, WI, USA; Boston Celtics head coach Brad Stevens reacts after a call in the fourth quarter against the Milwaukee Bucks at BMO Harris Bradley Center. The Bucks won 112-111. Mandatory Credit: Jeff Hanisch-USA TODAY Sports

Jason Kidd may have figured out the only way to beat the Celtics, stack the bench.

Kidd’s decision to bring Greg Monroe and Michael Carter Williams off the bench tonight paid off, as the Milwaukee Bucks defeated the Boston Celtics 112-11 Tuesday night in Milwaukee.

The Bucks built up a huge lead in the second half, outscoring the Celtics 40-20 in the third quarter. Monroe was simply unstoppable, scoring 12 of his game-high 29 points in the frame.

In the final six minutes, the Celtics made a frantic comeback, cutting the 21-point deficit to three with 59 seconds to play.

After Jae Crowder tied the game at 109-109, ,a Monroe lay-up put the Bucks back up by two with only one second remaining.

With the Bucks in the bonus, Bayless gave Kelly Olynyk the opportunity to tie the game by fouling Olynyk on the ensuing inbound pass. After Olynyk sank both free throws, it looked as if the game was going to overtime.

On the Bucks next play, an over aggressive Bradley fouled Khris Middleton as he caught the pass. Middleton made the first, before intentionally missing the second to seal the one-point victory for the Bucks.

Monroe, who has given the Celtics struggles in the past, was especially dominant, scoring a game-high 29 points on 13-of-21 shooting. Carter Williams added 16 points, Jarred Bayless had 14, as the Bucks bench outscored the Celtics 62-50.

Avery Bradley and Jae Crowder led the team with 18 points, while four other Celtics scored in double figures.

The loss snaps the (31-22) Celtics four-game win streak, and is only their fourth in their last sixteen games.

The C’s return home to play Paul Pierce, Doc Rivers and the Los Angeles Clippers on Wednesday night at TD Garden. For a complete box score, click here STUD OF THE NIGHT Greg Monroe

Monroe has historically dominated the Celtics. He also scored 29 points against the C’s last year as member of the Pistons. Tonight, he dominated in the post, gobbling up every defender Brad Stevens threw at him. When the Celtics attempted to double him, he made the correct passes. He made a huge impact on the glass, finishing with 12 boards, half of which on offense.

DUD OF THE NIGHT Tito Zeller With Amir Johnson in foul trouble, Stevens turned to GodZeller to stop Monroe. Although he had been played well recently, Zeller failed miserably, as the Celtics were a -22 in his 10 minutes on the floor.

VINE OF THE NIGHT Sad Brad


WHINE OF THE NIGHT Interior Defense

Jared Sullinger and Amir Johnson have to do a better job defending the post. The duo are supposed to be the team’s best interior defenders, but didn’t even fight for position. Monroe repeatedly got deep post position. By the time he caught the basketball, he had already won the battle. While the Celtics are keen on playing small, these two will have to play better when the C’s match-up against teams with a legitimate center.

STAT OF THE NIGHT Turnovers: Celtics 18, Bucks 14.

The Celtics do not usually lose the turnover battle, but tonight they were extremely sloppy with the basketball, especially in the first half. It’s not as if the Bucks were taking the ball from the Celtics, as they only finished with five steals, rather the Celtics made a number of dumb and inaccurate passes. Primary ball handlers Isaiah Thomas and Evan Turner both turned it over four times.
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Bradley's foul spoils Celtics big comeback vs. Bucks

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JIMMY TUSCANO

For about the final 10 minutes of basketball in Milwaukee, the Celtics were playing like a team that thought they were going to win. The Bucks? They were playing like a team that thought they were going to lose.

The difference was that the Bucks were holding onto a 19-point lead. Though Boston did come all the way back to tie things up, an Avery Bradley foul with one second left put the Bucks back up by one point, and they'd beat the Celtics, 112-111.

Milwaukee used a 40-point third quarter to take that big lead on the Celtics going into the fourth quarter. They shot 75-percent in the third quarter and dominated the Celtics in the paint all night long. The Bucks scored 64 points in the paint compared to the Celtics' 44, though Boston had just 28 through three quarters.

It was that fourth quarter that Boston turned things around and made a game out of it.

That 19 point lead turned to 15 . . .

Then nine . . .

Five . . . three . . .

Then the Celtics actually tied things up on a Jae Crowder three-pointer with under thirty seconds to play.

But Greg Monroe, who dominated the Celtics all night to the tune of 29 points and 12 rebounds, put down a little jump hook with one second remaining to give the Bucks a two-point jump shot.

The Celtics came out of an inbounds with a play designed for Kelly Olynyk at the rim. But Olynyk was fouled going to the rim, and he'd hit both free throws to tie it up - but there was still one second remaining.

So it was then the Bucks' turn . . . and this is the part that will keep Bradley up at night.

Bradley reached in and fouled Bucks guard Kris Middleton after the inbounds, putting him to the line. Middleton hit the first and intentionally missed the second with 0.6 seconds on the clock and the C's out of timeouts.

That was your game - and for just the second time in 11 games, the Celtics came out on the wrong end of it.

Bradley was the C's best player in this game, finishing with a plus-22 thanks to the C's big fourth-quarter comeback. He had 18 points along with Jae Crowder, who also had 18 points.


Player of the Game - Greg Monroe
Greg Monroe signed a three-year max deal with the Bucks over the offseason, but it's safe to say that he hasn't exactly had a great start to his career in Milwaukee. In fact, head coach Jason Kidd had him come off the bench Tuesday night.

Perhaps that woke him up a bit. Monroe was dominant in the middle quarters, getting pretty much whatever he wanted on the post and in the paint. He finished with 29 points and 12 rebounds, and hit the biggest shot of the game with one second remaining to give the Bucks a two-point lead (though things would get crazy after that).


Stat to Track
We talked about the points in the paint being a back-breaker in this game, but there was also another back-breaker: turnovers.

The Celtics gave wayyyyy to many possessions away through three quarters - 18, to be exact. And ya know what? They didn't turn the ball over once in the fourth quarter, a quarter that saw them outscore the Bucks, 37-19. That's not a coincidence.


Turning Point
There were about six turning points in the final minutes of this game, but let's rewind way back to the first quarter when Amir Johnson picked up not one, not two, but three fouls. The Celtics had a 10-point lead when he was taken out of the game shortly after the third foul. And that's when Milwaukee starting chipping away and Monroe went off on everybody.


What's Next?
The Celtics will say hello to old friends Doc Rivers and Paul Pierce on Wednesday as the Clippers come to town. This will be the C's last game before the All-Star Break.

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Post by cowens/oldschool Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:53 am

This team still has a long way to go, were on a nice streak, but its fools gold. Except for Cavs, alot of teams that we beat recently were pretty bad teams. The last 2 games our defense sucked, well today without Sully and AB shooting extraordinary, our lack of a Bogut/Duncan/Jordan/Gasol/Gobert type defender was really exposed. We play together, we play fast, we hustle, we have some great perimeter defenders, but we have enough holes that I don't know if we can even get out of the first round of a playoff series. We might, we might not, winning is good, but it can mask deficiencies. We can play with the Cavs or Warriors on a given night, we can also lose to a decimated Nets or Knicks team, because we have no one to match up to a Brook Lopez. Tonite we made Greg Monroe look like the second coming of Moses Malone. We have a very well coached defense that hustles and gets after it, but we can also get exposed like tonite. That Bucks team lost 5 in a row, we won 9 out of 10, nice comeback at end, but if we are the 3rd best team in the East, we should put away a team like this.

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Post by steve3344 Wed Feb 10, 2016 1:29 am

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2016/02/celtics_winning_streak_ends_in_milwaukee

Avery's quote: "Me personally, though, I don’t think that was the one play that decided the game."

When you needlessly foul a guy with his back to the basket in a tie game with less than a second left, I repsectfully disagree.

Amazing comeback up to that point though. Ridiculously frustrating ending.

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Post by Berlin-T Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:33 am

ET had only four turnovers? I thought he had 10 at least.

If we had not turned the ball over so much we would have won despite our defensive deficiencies, (well documented by Cowens and others)

I thought the biggest problem was a lack of intensity on defense and of concentration on offense. You might get away with one or the other, but not with both.

Love AB but he has to man up to his mistakes. He had an enormous brain-fart which was the last straw, sealing the loss.

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Post by gyso Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:47 am

Being the 3rd best team in the East is a meaningless concept on any given night (or two).  Look at the Cavs, they are the best team in the East, yet they still lost to us the other night.  I remember that in '08, we were the best team in the league, but we still lost twice in two home and away games to the Bobcats during late winter.

Each game has many sub-plots.  
1. As BobH said on the Game On!, Monroe was benched and, due to that, he had a statement to make.  And he did.
2. We have been very sloppy lately on the team D, so this game continued that very short trend.  Hopefully, Brad addresses this and the C's turn that switch back on.  It happened before this year and I expect for it to happen again, it is a long season.
3. Amir picks up three quick fouls in the 1st and the Bucks start to come back.
4. 18 TO's in the first three quarters.  I expect most of them came after Amir went to the bench.

Winning this season (in a ongoing rebuilding process) is not fool's gold.  Winning this season is showing a trend to the positive.  So we beat the Cav's the other night.  Nice win, but so what?  They probably still beat us in a 7 game series.  We got beat by the Bucks last night.  Tough loss, but so what?  We probably still beat them in a 7 game season.  Your record IS who you are.

When we lose, out come the boo-birds with the nit-picks of our "many" shortcomings.  When we win (especially lately) the pundits say that maybe we are so good that perhaps we really do not need to add better players here and there on our roster.  IMO, neither extreme is accurate.

Yeah, we laid an egg last night.  Hopefully, Brad takes that egg, whips it up and makes a nice omelet with it.  Just a taste for each player and then they come out hungry the next game.

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Post by sinus007 Wed Feb 10, 2016 8:34 am

Hi,
I believe that Celtics lost last night because they got mentally sloppy, lost their focus. And AB's mistake at the end was just a point at the end of the sentence.
The really bad thing is that we lost to 20-32 team. Oh well... Now on to LA.

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Post by bobheckler Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:10 am

cowens/oldschool wrote:This team still has a long way to go, were on a nice streak, but its fools gold. Except for Cavs, alot of teams that we beat recently were pretty bad teams. The last 2 games our defense sucked, well today without Sully and AB shooting extraordinary, our lack of a Bogut/Duncan/Jordan/Gasol/Gobert type defender was really exposed. We play together, we play fast, we hustle, we have some great perimeter defenders, but we have enough holes that I don't know if we can even get out of the first round of a playoff series. We might, we might not, winning is good, but it can mask deficiencies. We can play with the Cavs or Warriors on a given night, we can also lose to a decimated Nets or Knicks team, because we have no one to match up to a Brook Lopez. Tonite we made Greg Monroe look like the second coming of Moses Malone. We have a very well coached defense that hustles and gets after it, but we can also get exposed like tonite. That Bucks team lost 5 in a row, we won 9 out of 10, nice comeback at end, but if we are the 3rd best team in the East, we should put away a team like this.


Cow,

You need to be careful.  You might sprain something jumping on and off the bandwagon like this.

Yeah, our defense sucked the last two games.  We still won one of them and was one stupid, stupid reach-in foul away from erasing a 19 point deficit to start the 4th quarter and getting into OT.  If our problem was lack of a rim protector why didn't that stop us from erasing 19 points in one quarter?  Did Danny make a mid-game signing that I missed?  Did one of their key players get carried out on a stretcher?

We had a bad quarter.  We gave up 40 points in the quarter.  Is that normal?  How often does that happen?  Making it sound like that's evidence of something is a stretch.  It's an aberration.  We are more likely to give up 14 points in a quarter than 40.  We've played enough games, including against some good teams like GSW, to be able to say with some confidence that giving up 40 points in a quarter is far, far from typical.

Greg Monroe was one of the most sought after free agent big men last summer.  While he is not a rim protector, even though he is 6'11", 265#, he is a very, very smooth offensive player.  He is a bull like Sully but MUCH quicker, with MUCH quicker spin moves.  He is more ambidextrous than Sully and he is one of the best high post passing big men in the game.  He is blocking 1.1 shots/36mpg.  Kelly is blocking 1.0 shots/36mpg.  Sully is blocking 1.0 shots/36mpg and Amir is blocking 1.7 shots/36mpg.  So, as far as rim protection goes Monroe is marginally better than two players we have who are NOT rim protectors and much worse than our PF who is 2" shorter and 30# lighter.  Monroe had a field day through 3 quarters, scoring 27.  He scored 2 points in the 4th.  We figured him out, finally.  Brad threw everybody at him and nobody could handle him.  Not Sully, not Zeller, not Kelly, not Amir.  And yes, offensively he is that good.  He is on offense what we want Sully to be, unstoppable from the low blocks.

Whoever said that Bradley didn't lose the game was just doing the "spread the blame around" thing.  That was a totally brain-dead foul.  1.0 seconds with his back to the basket you do not swipe at the ball like that.  But that's how close we came to getting into OT and maybe a phenomenal comeback win.  Milwaukee has played the fewest number of home games so far in the league.  That might help to explain their record, they have been playing a lot on the road.  OJ Mayo has been out.  Amir blew a bunny at the rim.  Jae Crowder is playing on one leg and that made a better game possible by Khris Middleton.  Our old friend Jerryd Bayless got into his shooting streak mode, and we all saw how tough he is when he is in that zone.

Relax.  It's one loss and it almost wasn't.  We are still in 3rd place.  If that's fool's gold then these fools are in pretty decent playoff position.


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Post by cowens/oldschool Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:48 pm

The fools gold comment I should have clarified better, what I meant was that in our last big win when we shot the lights out, our defense sucked, and it carried over into this game. KO and IT while effective players still have the potential to be major defensive liabilities, you think a playoff team is NOT going to attack those guys?

Frustrating loss, would have been a great comeback, but AB only plays one way, his muscle memory took over, I'm sure he learned from this. I still believe the NBA is alot weaker than before AND we are lucky there are not a glutton of post up bigs, as in years before.

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Post by cowens/oldschool Wed Feb 10, 2016 1:00 pm

bobheckler wrote:
cowens/oldschool wrote:This team still has a long way to go, were on a nice streak, but its fools gold. Except for Cavs, alot of teams that we beat recently were pretty bad teams. The last 2 games our defense sucked, well today without Sully and AB shooting extraordinary, our lack of a Bogut/Duncan/Jordan/Gasol/Gobert type defender was really exposed. We play together, we play fast, we hustle, we have some great perimeter defenders, but we have enough holes that I don't know if we can even get out of the first round of a playoff series. We might, we might not, winning is good, but it can mask deficiencies. We can play with the Cavs or Warriors on a given night, we can also lose to a decimated Nets or Knicks team, because we have no one to match up to a Brook Lopez. Tonite we made Greg Monroe look like the second coming of Moses Malone. We have a very well coached defense that hustles and gets after it, but we can also get exposed like tonite. That Bucks team lost 5 in a row, we won 9 out of 10, nice comeback at end, but if we are the 3rd best team in the East, we should put away a team like this.


Cow,

You need to be careful.  You might sprain something jumping on and off the bandwagon like this.

Yeah, our defense sucked the last two games.  We still won one of them and was one stupid, stupid reach-in foul away from erasing a 19 point deficit to start the 4th quarter and getting into OT.  If our problem was lack of a rim protector why didn't that stop us from erasing 19 points in one quarter?  Did Danny make a mid-game signing that I missed?  Did one of their key players get carried out on a stretcher?

We had a bad quarter.  We gave up 40 points in the quarter.  Is that normal?  How often does that happen?  Making it sound like that's evidence of something is a stretch.  It's an aberration.  We are more likely to give up 14 points in a quarter than 40.  We've played enough games, including against some good teams like GSW, to be able to say with some confidence that giving up 40 points in a quarter is far, far from typical.

Greg Monroe was one of the most sought after free agent big men last summer.  While he is not a rim protector, even though he is 6'11", 265#, he is a very, very smooth offensive player.  He is a bull like Sully but MUCH quicker, with MUCH quicker spin moves.  He is more ambidextrous than Sully and he is one of the best high post passing big men in the game.  He is blocking 1.1 shots/36mpg.  Kelly is blocking 1.0 shots/36mpg.  Sully is blocking 1.0 shots/36mpg and Amir is blocking 1.7 shots/36mpg.  So, as far as rim protection goes Monroe is marginally better than two players we have who are NOT rim protectors and much worse than our PF who is 2" shorter and 30# lighter.  Monroe had a field day through 3 quarters, scoring 27.  He scored 2 points in the 4th.  We figured him out, finally.  Brad threw everybody at him and nobody could handle him.  Not Sully, not Zeller, not Kelly, not Amir.  And yes, offensively he is that good.  He is on offense what we want Sully to be, unstoppable from the low blocks.

Whoever said that Bradley didn't lose the game was just doing the "spread the blame around" thing.  That was a totally brain-dead foul.  1.0 seconds with his back to the basket you do not swipe at the ball like that.  But that's how close we came to getting into OT and maybe a phenomenal comeback win.  Milwaukee has played the fewest number of home games so far in the league.  That might help to explain their record, they have been playing a lot on the road.  OJ Mayo has been out.  Amir blew a bunny at the rim.  Jae Crowder is playing on one leg and that made a better game possible by Khris Middleton.  Our old friend Jerryd Bayless got into his shooting streak mode, and we all saw how tough he is when he is in that zone.

Relax.  It's one loss and it almost wasn't.  We are still in 3rd place.  If that's fool's gold then these fools are in pretty decent playoff position.


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is it a coincidence our defense sucked against teams back to back or was it because both teams have a legit post up big scorer? for a really deep playoff run, that issue would have to be addressed, but in this day and age, we would probably not have to worry as much as the old days, in a different era this team would get beat up and spit out.

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Post by bobheckler Wed Feb 10, 2016 1:12 pm

cowens/oldschool wrote:
bobheckler wrote:
cowens/oldschool wrote:This team still has a long way to go, were on a nice streak, but its fools gold. Except for Cavs, alot of teams that we beat recently were pretty bad teams. The last 2 games our defense sucked, well today without Sully and AB shooting extraordinary, our lack of a Bogut/Duncan/Jordan/Gasol/Gobert type defender was really exposed. We play together, we play fast, we hustle, we have some great perimeter defenders, but we have enough holes that I don't know if we can even get out of the first round of a playoff series. We might, we might not, winning is good, but it can mask deficiencies. We can play with the Cavs or Warriors on a given night, we can also lose to a decimated Nets or Knicks team, because we have no one to match up to a Brook Lopez. Tonite we made Greg Monroe look like the second coming of Moses Malone. We have a very well coached defense that hustles and gets after it, but we can also get exposed like tonite. That Bucks team lost 5 in a row, we won 9 out of 10, nice comeback at end, but if we are the 3rd best team in the East, we should put away a team like this.


Cow,

You need to be careful.  You might sprain something jumping on and off the bandwagon like this.

Yeah, our defense sucked the last two games.  We still won one of them and was one stupid, stupid reach-in foul away from erasing a 19 point deficit to start the 4th quarter and getting into OT.  If our problem was lack of a rim protector why didn't that stop us from erasing 19 points in one quarter?  Did Danny make a mid-game signing that I missed?  Did one of their key players get carried out on a stretcher?

We had a bad quarter.  We gave up 40 points in the quarter.  Is that normal?  How often does that happen?  Making it sound like that's evidence of something is a stretch.  It's an aberration.  We are more likely to give up 14 points in a quarter than 40.  We've played enough games, including against some good teams like GSW, to be able to say with some confidence that giving up 40 points in a quarter is far, far from typical.

Greg Monroe was one of the most sought after free agent big men last summer.  While he is not a rim protector, even though he is 6'11", 265#, he is a very, very smooth offensive player.  He is a bull like Sully but MUCH quicker, with MUCH quicker spin moves.  He is more ambidextrous than Sully and he is one of the best high post passing big men in the game.  He is blocking 1.1 shots/36mpg.  Kelly is blocking 1.0 shots/36mpg.  Sully is blocking 1.0 shots/36mpg and Amir is blocking 1.7 shots/36mpg.  So, as far as rim protection goes Monroe is marginally better than two players we have who are NOT rim protectors and much worse than our PF who is 2" shorter and 30# lighter.  Monroe had a field day through 3 quarters, scoring 27.  He scored 2 points in the 4th.  We figured him out, finally.  Brad threw everybody at him and nobody could handle him.  Not Sully, not Zeller, not Kelly, not Amir.  And yes, offensively he is that good.  He is on offense what we want Sully to be, unstoppable from the low blocks.

Whoever said that Bradley didn't lose the game was just doing the "spread the blame around" thing.  That was a totally brain-dead foul.  1.0 seconds with his back to the basket you do not swipe at the ball like that.  But that's how close we came to getting into OT and maybe a phenomenal comeback win.  Milwaukee has played the fewest number of home games so far in the league.  That might help to explain their record, they have been playing a lot on the road.  OJ Mayo has been out.  Amir blew a bunny at the rim.  Jae Crowder is playing on one leg and that made a better game possible by Khris Middleton.  Our old friend Jerryd Bayless got into his shooting streak mode, and we all saw how tough he is when he is in that zone.

Relax.  It's one loss and it almost wasn't.  We are still in 3rd place.  If that's fool's gold then these fools are in pretty decent playoff position.


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is it a coincidence our defense sucked against teams back to back or was it because both teams have a legit post up big scorer? for a really deep playoff run, that issue would have to be addressed, but in this day and age, we would probably not have to worry as much as the old days, in a different era this team would get beat up and spit out.


In the old days, we wouldn't have this team, we'd have a team that would win in the old days.

In the old days, Sacto and Milwaukee would be high quality teams competing in the WC Semi-Finals or maybe even Finals. These days they are 5 games out of the playoffs and 6 games out of the playoffs respectively.

Is it a coincidence both of those teams are inferior teams and we have a track record of playing down to our competition and taking our foot off the pedal when we are way up or suddenly stepping down on it when the clock starts to become our enemy?

Slice it anyway you want, we are still in 3rd place in a much tougher Eastern Conference after having played enough games where that might mean something. If Doc was right when he said "you are your record" then we are the 8th best team in the league, only a whisker behind Memphis for 7th. We've come a long way, baby.


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Post by worcester Wed Feb 10, 2016 1:16 pm

I'm with you Cow. We did play really poor D the past 2 games except for the 4th Q last night. We need better interior D, and that means signing or drafting a powerful, quick, agile big man who plays D, can also shoot free throws, passes well, blocks shots, and has an outside shot. In other words, a latter day Bill Russell. That's my kind of Latter Day Saint. If you find him, let me know.

On the game thread I wrote that Smart made that last foul. My bad. It was AB - HIS BAD. Too bad. What a helluva comeback. KO is a damn good offensive player. I wish he were on the floor more.
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Post by worcester Wed Feb 10, 2016 1:18 pm

Bob, it was Bill Parcells who first said, "You are your record." We've improved greatly. Just waiting for the new Bill Russell to walk in that door.
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Post by wideclyde Wed Feb 10, 2016 1:51 pm

Yes, lots of progress in this re-build, but loses like last night should not happen against inferior opponents.

No one play nor one player was the reason, but teams looking for playoff success just have to win games like last night.

Playing "down" to a lesser opponent, maybe?

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Post by Outside Wed Feb 10, 2016 2:00 pm

The Celtics were coming off a streak where they had won nine of 10 games. Losses happen. They weren't going to go undefeated the rest of the season.

It's going to be a roller coaster ride. They currently sit in third with 23 losses. The next four teams in the standings have 24 losses. The Hornets have 26 losses and would be out of the playoffs if they started today. They just had a nice run, so they're up at the top of the pile below the Cavs and Raptors. If they go into a little slump, they'll fall back. That's how this is going to play out for all these teams clustered together.

It will be up and down, but I'd still favor them to be in the top four at the end. Home court advantage in the first round would be pretty sweet, no?
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Post by beat Wed Feb 10, 2016 3:54 pm

As we step back from the ledge...........

We again realize that we are still on the ground floor.



Losses happen and we've had these any number of times this year.
I can live with this on occasion........don't like it but it happens

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