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http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2016/05/boston_celtics_rumors_2016_dan_4.html




Boston Celtics rumors 2016: Danny Ainge wants shot blocker, would be open to pleasing star target with other moves



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Jay King | mjking@masslive.com By Jay King | mjking@masslive.com




on May 05, 2016 at 2:10 PM, updated May 05, 2016 at 2:17 PM




Boston Celtics president of basketball operations Danny Ainge delivered his end-of-season press conference Wednesday, and yes, he would like to push his team to the next level. Like anyone would with Ainge's collection of draft picks, players and cap space, he has big dreams this summer.

During a radio interview Thursday with 98.5 The Sports Hub's Toucher & Rich, Ainge furthered discussed his thoughts on a critical offseason.

Some notes:


1. The Celtics would like to sign a shot blocker this summer.

"It was pretty incredible that we were the fourth-rated defense in the NBA without a shot blocker, really," Ainge said. "I mean, Amir (Johnson) does a pretty good job, but he's the only one that really provides length at the rim. And that's a real testament to our perimeter defenders. But that is one thing in the offseason that we will be looking for is somebody who can be more of a rim protector. At least a specialist."

Among possible free agents, Hassan Whiteside, Bismack Biyombo, Timofey Mozgov and Roy Hibbert all stand out (for various prices) as tall guys who can impact the painted area. Obviously, a lot will depend on how else the Celtics fill out their roster. One thing to keep in mind: they wanted shooters last summer but never found any upgrades there. Free agency is about opportunity, and Ainge isn't going to hand out a bad contract just because he would like somebody who can swat shots at the rim.


2. To lure the right star, Ainge would indeed be open to acquiring another player to make his team look more attractive. Well, of course.

"Sure. I think that if there's a guy that you really want, and there's someone you may have to overpay a little bit to get that person, I think that that's absolutely," Ainge said. "I think anybody would do that."

Why is it relevant that Ainge would? Reports have suggested Boston expects to meet with former MVP Kevin Durant this summer, but that he will only consider the Celtics as a serious option if they can show an immediate path to contention. We can safely assume Ainge would like to appease Durant.

"Certain people might have that sort of pull or that sort of juice," Ainge said. "I mean listen, we're trying to build a team.

"And when Paul (Pierce) and KG (Kevin Garnett) and Ray (Allen) and (Rajon) Rondo, and those guys were here, I would talk to them all the time about what they thought of players, and who they thought fit. And of course Doc Rivers. It's not just me making every decision. A lot of it is the players involvement. And the players know a lot. They know a lot about the makeup, they know a lot about the lifestyles, they know a lot about the commitment of the players that are around the league. And I always appreciated that as a player with Red (Auerbach), (former Celtics general manager) Jan Volk or K.C. Jones. they would ask us and have those conversations, and I've continued to do that. I always talk to the players to see what they feel."


3. Ainge has been asked a couple of times this week how the current Celtics situation compares to the situation in 2007 when he reloaded the roster in one summer.

"We're in better position because I think that we're more appealing to a multitude of teams that could do deals, because we have more assets. But we don't have Paul Pierce," Ainge told Toucher & Rich. "But we have Isaiah Thomas, Avery Bradley Marcus Smart and Jae Crowder. There's a lot of people around the league that find those guys very attractive also. And I'm not saying from a trade standpoint, but I'm saying from an attractiveness standpoint of wanting to play with them, and feel like we do have a good nucleus. And so I think that it's a little bit different, but I think what we have to offer other people is more at this point than we did in (2007)."

"We want to take the next step," Ainge added, "and that next step is the most challenging in our business. And with the salary cap of today, and with the limited amount of superstar, transcendent whatever you want to call it players, you can't just say OK now we're going to do it and we do it. It's hard. It's challenging. And you need some good fortune. We're in position to do something. And that's the good news. Now we have to try to do all we can to make something happen."



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Post by wideclyde Fri May 06, 2016 12:25 pm

Bob,

I also will be pretty happy when the Cs can find a shot blocker or two as well.

I realize that a team can lose a game in many ways on any given night, but the Cs certainly have lost their share of games when they have had a difficult time getting to the rim.

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Post by swish Fri May 06, 2016 1:37 pm

I could care less about the order that we obtain the horses as long as the barn has the necessary thoroughbreds needed to be a legitimate contender.

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Post by dboss Fri May 06, 2016 1:40 pm

He would have had Mickey too if they played him.

No to hibert and Timofey Mozgov (R u kidding me?)

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Post by mulcogiseng Sat May 07, 2016 2:38 pm

from out here in the desert it seems Mickey got the headlines in Portland but never got a shot even though his talent is what appears to be sorely needed. What's up with that? Is he a project or an asset? Perhaps by the end summer league we will know more about whether he is part of the answer or not. One thing is sure, Danny isn't shy about misdirecting the fans and every one else so he gets what he wants and the team needs
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Post by kdp59 Sun May 08, 2016 8:04 am

we all need to remember that lots of guys tear up the d-league and never become NBA players.

Mickey MAY be an exception to that or he may have some limitation that never allows him to be more than an end of bench player.

Both Hunter (early) and Rozier (later) got rotation minutes this year, but not Mickey. That tells me the staff didn't think he was either ready or able to contribute.

time will tell, but I am not getting my hopes up that the 6-8 Mickey will become that rim protector many of us desire.
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Post by international Sun May 08, 2016 11:08 am

How much money can Miami offer to Hassan Whiteside? He would be a good option for us.

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Post by bobheckler Sun May 08, 2016 11:29 am

international wrote:How much money can Miami offer to Hassan Whiteside? He would be a good option for us.


International,

I believe, and perhaps someone will correct me, but I believe that Miami cannot sign Whiteside for anywhere near the $ he will be offered this summer because that would put them way over the cap and they do not have Bird Rights on him so they can't go over the cap to sign him.

Whiteside's weakness is that he doesn't like leaving the paint on offense or defense.  You not only see that when you watch them play but also if you read the Comments From The Other Side threads you'll see Heat fans (if that's what you can call those bandwagoneers) cite that often.  Would that be the end of the world?  No, and maybe Brad could get him to leave the paint on defense, at least.  Perhaps the reason why he doesn't leave the paint is because he doesn't trust his teammates to cover for him on the baseline.  I'll bet Brad can.

Cousins and Whiteside both have attitude issues.  Cousins has more talent and, after Whiteside signs somewhere this summer, will get paid about the same money.  Cousins would cost us a lot in a trade, Whiteside is a free agent signing.

In general, I agree with you.  I think Whiteside would be a nice plus.



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Post by tjmakz Sun May 08, 2016 1:02 pm

Miami has no salary cap issues next year. They will have at least $40m in cap space. They only have 3 players making over $3m next season. Bosh, Dragic and McRoberts.
Miami can offer Whiteside the same as every other team. A 4 year contract starting at about $21m per year.

I disagree that Whiteside doesn't leave the paint. He is an excellent pick and roll defender who comes out as far as he needs to. His length and quickness in recovering on guards driving to the basket is probably the best out of any center in the league.
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Post by swish Sun May 08, 2016 5:03 pm

The salary cap picture will be cloudy until they decide on the future of Deng and Wade.


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Post by cowens/oldschool Sun May 08, 2016 6:33 pm

I would love to get Whiteside, he gets our defense to the next level, however I can't imagine Riley not figuring out a way to keep him in Miami, you don't let pieces like that go, betcha Danny didn't think it would be this hard to get a real center since he did the Perk- Jeff Green fiasco....if worse comes to worse, we could draft a Thon Maker, AJ Hammons or Diamond Stone, and maybe we get lucky and they turn out to be real players.

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Post by international Sun May 08, 2016 9:28 pm

tjmakz.
Maybe I am wrong ,but I don't think Miami can offer the same max contract as the other teams.With him having a 800,000 contract I think is limited in the amount of money to offer him.Is something about %,maybe Gyso can help us with this.Is not clear to me.

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Post by tjmakz Sun May 08, 2016 11:06 pm

international wrote:tjmakz.
Maybe I am wrong ,but I don't think Miami can offer the same max contract as the other teams.With him having a 800,000 contract I think is limited in the amount of money to offer him.Is something about %,maybe Gyso can help us with this.Is not clear to me.

http://heatdiehards.sportsblog.com/posts/9890895/what-hassan-whiteside-s-max-salary-could-look-like.html

The Heat can offer the same contract as other teams but will have to do so with cap space.
4 years starting at approx $20.4m per year.
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Post by gyso Mon May 09, 2016 10:49 am

It's funny (in an odd way) that over the past winter, we read article after article, stating that the Heat would be over the cap and would not be able to offer Whiteside anything other than a MLE type contract.  Maybe it was because they didn't stop at saying it could be done (because it can), but continued on and explained why it actually wouldn't be done because in the end, it couldn't be done.

It seems that the Heat can offer Whiteside a max salary, but the reality of the situation just isn't that simple.

Here's Hoopshype salaries.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/miami_heat/

Here's basketballinsiders salaries.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/miami-heat-team-salary/

Two is good enough for me.  So both sites say that the Heat team salary is about 48M, but that is only for 5 or 6 players.  You can also see that that team salary does not include the salary for Wade, Deng, Haslem and just about the rest of the team.

Wade made 20M, I'll give him a raise to 22M (because it will make the math easier, he could get more.)
Deng made 10M, I'll give him a raise to 15M. (same reason, easy math)
Haslem made less than 3M, I'll give him a raise to 5M. (easy math)

22 + 15 + 5 = 42M.  Add that to 48M and you get 90M.  Free agents and draft picks add even more.  That leaves no money for Whiteside.  If they wait on the others and sign Whiteside first, the cap holds probably add up to 42M or more so they still cannot sign him unless they renounce the three players in my example.  Does anyone actually think they will walk away from any of the three I used in my example?

So now we have the real answer and not some kind of, shall I say, incomplete one.

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Post by wideclyde Mon May 09, 2016 12:26 pm

gyso,

Good post.

So, my read is that it seems like for the Heat to sign Whiteside they will have to weaken their team or be ready to pay a salary cap tax of some sort.  Of course, they may be weaker without him as well.

Renouncing maybe Haslem (from your examples) would still not get them under the cap if they sign Whiteside to a max contract.  And, as you mentioned, they are not likely to renounce Deng and cannot renounce Wade.

The only other way that they can get under the cap would be to trade (along with renouncing Haslem) some of the guys who are already on guaranteed contracts.  I believe that Dragic is the only really high salaried guy in the bunch, but trading him is, again, going to weaken their team. I doubt that they want to trade Winslow.

Of course, if they decide to pay the cap tax by signing Whiteside, they will not be the first team to do so.  They, themselves, have probably been over the cap in the past.

I am not sure if I were Riley that I would expect/gamble that their team will get much better if basically the entire roster from 2016 all return.  This expectation will certainly be likely if they resign Whiteside to a max.

I just don't see signing Whiteside for a max will significantly help the Heat for 2017.

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