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Post by cowens/oldschool on Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:26 am

bob I don't know how you can state all that without even seeing him play in NBA competition.....looking too much into stats my friend.
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Post by kdp59 on Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:31 am

depends on the PLumlee

Mason is a good NBA big man

Miles is a marginal backup

Marshall seems to be end of the bench roster fodder

I hope Zizic can be as good as Mason in time.
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Post by KyleCleric on Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:34 am

If he starts as a rookie, it could be much like what the Bucks did with Maker. 10 to 15 minutes a game, primarily with our best players.

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Post by bobheckler on Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:39 am

mulcogiseng wrote:Since I've been on the Zizic hype train from the beginning let me just say that Bob, you will be pleasantly surprised. Everything that you think he can do, he can. All those things you have questions about? He will surprise you. As I've said from the beginning, I was hoping he could play behind someone like Amir for a season to learn the NBA game. That might not be the case. He could start but I'd rather see KO come back and start, at least at the beginning of the season. Who really knows what his ceiling is? I just look at his skill set and see how he fits our very real needs. His very real problem will be earning minutes from a coach who does not like to play the young guys and quickly loses patience with rookie mistakes. I'd be very happy to see Ante carve out 20 minutes a game. If Danny clears out all the old deadwood that means we won't have any bigs. If guys aren't brought back and a trade or FA signing doesn't happen, then Zizic and Yabusele are going to have to step up and show that they are ready and force Brad to play them. They are an upgrade over what we had, no two ways about it. But will they make the transition to the NBA and be able to produce? I sure hope so and feel they will not disappoint. They absolutely have to be ready to make their mark by the 2019-20 season when the team should be in place for consistent title runs.

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mulcogi,

I certainly hope you are right and I'm just being pessimistic.

I'd be happy with Zizic playing 15mpg this year. Not too much, not throwing him the deep end and making him learn to swim on-the-fly, but enough to learn the right way. Jaylen played 17.1mpg this year and his learning curve was just fine. Some pressure, but not too much, and Jaylen is more talented than Zizic.

If Zizic plays 15mpg, then Al Horford could play 26mpg at center, 6mpg at PF (although it's all the same in Brad's system, a big is a big is a big) and the rest of those few remaining unaccounted for minutes are small-ball. And that's assuming Kelly doesn't come back. If he comes back he could play some minutes at center and that could let Horford play more minutes as PF and he would be very effective there, I believe. Zizic, Horford and Kelly could make for some interesting big lineups. I said that Zizic's ceiling may be the Plumlees. The reason is because I have yet to see Zizic's outside game. In Brad's system, a big that cannot shoot from outside will not get a ton of minutes.


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Post by bobheckler on Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:45 am

cowens/oldschool wrote:bob I don't know how you can state all that without even seeing him play in NBA competition.....looking too much into stats my friend.


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True, but as I said I watched every Zizic highlight there was on youtube all year. They don't put the weak sauce in highlight films, so you have to watch for the dog that doesn't bark. If you don't see any film of him taking outside shots, that tells me he either doesn't take many and/or he doesn't make many. You see him getting fouled and hitting fritos, but his season stats say that he takes 2.8 ftas/game and hits only 64.3% of them. Obviously, they aren't showing the ones he missed and he misses 1 out of 3. Not that good, and the frito line in Europe is 15' away, just like in the NBA. They don't show you how many times he was beat down the court, or blew the pnr defense, only the times he ran the floor and did defend the pnr well.


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Post by bobheckler on Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:46 am

kdp59 wrote:depends on the PLumlee

Mason is a good NBA big man

Miles is a marginal backup

Marshall seems to be end of the bench roster fodder

I hope Zizic can be as good as Mason in time.


kdp,

True that, but none of them are on an All-Star appearance trajectory.


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Post by mulcogiseng on Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:21 pm

bob, what I look for in those videos is what did he do well. what is he consistent at. same thing with Yabusele. With Ante, he is just plain good and aggressive around the rim. He gets rebounds. He gets his own rebound and makes the shot. He intimidates players into changing their shot or pass the ball, often resulting in a to, ( they are highlights afterall lol) He's quick and agile for a big. Not a Dancing Bear, but very serviceable. I think that both he and Guerschon had more developed offensive games than Jaylen, who is much more athletic. With the way Brown progressed at the end of the year and in the playoffs, that might not be true now but we have two accomplished bigs coming in each with pro experience.

With Yabusele, he gets his shot at the arc or he can dribble and shoot or go to the rim. For a big he is really amazing and he has so much upside because of how varied his game is. Once he gets established in the post he won't be moved and he has those quick feet. Horford is going to be a big influence on both of these kids.

Jaylen's learning curve was fine but he should have played more. His average is what it is because of those games that he started. He really maintained a good attitude during the time when he wasn't getting on the floor much. He was ready when his number got called but he still has so far to go His peak is higher than Y or Z but when I think of all these young guys learning to play the right way together, what was that about drool factor? lol We are in the clear second tier right now. We will move up next year.

Don't be so pessimistic, only some times. lol
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Post by bobheckler on Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:07 pm

mulcogiseng wrote:bob, what I look for in those videos is what did he do well. what is he consistent at. same thing with Yabusele. With Ante, he is just plain good and aggressive around the rim. He gets rebounds. He gets his own rebound and makes the shot. He intimidates players into changing their shot or pass the ball, often resulting in a to, ( they are highlights afterall lol) He's quick and agile for a big. Not a Dancing Bear, but very serviceable. I think that both he and Guerschon had more developed offensive games than Jaylen, who is much more athletic. With the way Brown progressed at the end of the year and in the playoffs, that might not be true now but we have two accomplished bigs coming in each with pro experience.

With Yabusele, he gets his shot at the arc or he can dribble and shoot or go to the rim. For a big he is really amazing and he has so much upside because of how varied his game is. Once he gets established in the post he won't be moved and he has those quick feet. Horford is going to be a big influence on both of these kids.

Jaylen's learning curve was fine but he should have played more. His average is what it is because of those games that he started. He really maintained a good attitude during the time when he wasn't getting on the floor much. He was ready when his number got called but he still has so far to go His peak is higher than Y or Z but when I think of all these young guys learning to play the right way together, what was that about drool factor? lol We are in the clear second tier right now. We will move up next year.

Don't be so pessimistic, only some times. lol


mulcogi,

If his peak is higher than Y or Z does that make him the X factor?


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Post by mulcogiseng on Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:43 pm

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