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Post by bobheckler on Sat Apr 29, 2017 1:15 pm

Playoffs are a different beast from the regular season.  Some players wilt under the pressure and bright lights and some love it.  Boston Celtic fans know it's all about #18 and the ONLY path to 18 is through the playoffs.  It doesn't matter how great or shitty you were during the regular season, the team needs you to step up in the playoffs.  It doesn't matter how many minutes you played during the regular season vs how many you play in the playoffs since that might just be match up driven.  Amir and Jaylen hardly played at all this series because the matchups were not in their favor.  Maybe against Washington that will change.  If you step up when your number is called and help the team win playoff games you're a keeper and if you shrivel up and blow away you are not.  You have to win 16 games and to win a championship and to do that you need players who know how to win those horse-of-a-different-color games.

So, who's stepping up and who isn't?  Let's look at our roster, playoffs-to-date, and see who is a keeper and who isn't.  Let's keep in mind this is after only 6 games, it was against the #8 seed and they had one key player out after game 2 and another limping worse by the minute.  We wouldn't want anybody to put too much weight on our performance vs Atlanta last year since we were without Avery and Kelly was playing limited minutes with a shoulder that required off-season surgery.  

Playoff rotation players only.

All stats courtesy of Basketball-Reference.com and are /36mpg except for Offensive and Defensive Ratings, which are /100 possessions.  Stats don't tell the whole story. They don't tell you about ganas, they don't tell you about who is making the key play at the key moment, who made a momentum changer or back breaker, but they do reinforce your eyeballs and they also point out things that maybe your eyeballs are missing or over/undervaluing.  For example, we look at Gerald Green and think he's playing a lot more, but he's actually only playing <6.5mpg more.  Our eyes fool us a bit because he's starting.  Also, we see someone throw away a pass or two, or blow a defensive rotation, and we pan them when an adjustment to the line up or defensive scheme fixes that and we don't see that anymore so we overvalue its impact because it only happened one or two times, so don't make such a big deal about it.


1.  Al Horford (32.3mpg regular season, 33.8mpg playoffs)

..........................PTS.....FG%.....FGA.....3PTFG%.....3PTFGAS....REBS.....AST.....TO.....BLKS.....FTAS.....FT%.....STLS.....OFF-Rtg.....DEF-Rtg
Regular Season----15.6----47.3----13.1----35.5--------4.0----------7.6------5.5-----1.9----1.4------2.2------80-------.9-------114---------107
Playoffs, Rd 1------16.3----59.7----11.0----53.8--------2.3----------9.0------6.9-----1.2----.5-------2.3------84.6-----1.2------141---------102


2.  Avery Bradley (33.4mpg regular season, 36.0mpg playoffs)

..........................PTS.....FG%.....FGA.....3PTFG%.....3PTFGAS....REBS.....AST.....TO.....BLKS.....FTAS.....FT%.....STLS.....OFF-Rtg.....DEF-Rtg
Regular Season----17.5----46.3----15.2----39.0---------5.4---------6.6-------2.4----1.7----.2--------1.8------73.1----1.3------105---------108
Playoffs, Rd 1------16.0----48.7----13.0----41-----------6.5---------4.0-------3.0----1.7----.2--------1.3------50------1.3------111---------108


3.  Isaiah Thomas (33.8mpg regular season, 34.8mpg playoffs)

..........................PTS.....FG%.....FGA.....3PTFG%.....3PTFGAS....REBS.....AST.....TO.....BLKS.....FTAS.....FT%.....STLS.....OFF-Rtg.....DEF-Rtg
Regular Season----30.8----46.3----20.6----37.9---------9.1---------2.9-------6.3----2.9----.2--------9.1------90.9----1.0------122---------112
Playoffs, Rd 1------23.8----43------17.2----20-----------7.8---------4.5-------5.9----3.8----0.0-------9.1------81.1----1.0------106---------107


4.  Jae Crowder (32.4mpg regular season, 33.8mpg playoffs)

..........................PTS.....FG%.....FGA.....3PTFG%.....3PTFGAS....REBS.....AST.....TO.....BLKS.....FTAS.....FT%.....STLS.....OFF-Rtg.....DEF-Rtg
Regular Season----15.4----46.3----11.1----39.8---------6.1---------6.4-------2.4-----1.2---.4--------3.3------81.1----1.1------119---------109
Playoffs, Rd 1------12.8----40.9----11.7----27.3---------5.9---------5.7-------2.0-----.9----.4--------1.8------90------1.1------106---------106


5.  Gerald Green (11.4mpg regular season, 17.8mpg playoffs)

..........................PTS.....FG%.....FGA.....3PTFG%.....3PTFGAS....REBS.....AST.....TO.....BLKS.....FTAS.....FT%.....STLS.....OFF-Rtg.....DEF-Rtg
Regular Season----17.5----40.9----15.5----35.1---------7.4---------5.7-------2.2----1.7----.5--------2.7------80.5----.6-------102---------111
Playoffs, Rd 1------18.2----43.6----15.8----39.1---------9.3---------4.4-------1.6----1.2----0.0------1.2-------66.7----0.0-----105---------111


6.  Kelly Olynyk (20.5mpg regular season, 19.3mpg playoffs)

..........................PTS.....FG%.....FGA.....3PTFG%.....3PTFGAS....REBS.....AST.....TO.....BLKS.....FTAS.....FT%.....STLS.....OFF-Rtg.....DEF-Rtg
Regular Season----15.9----51.2----11.9----35.4---------4.5---------8.4-------3.5----2.2----.7--------2.9------73.2----1.0------113---------107
Playoffs, Rd 1------16.4----50------13.0----35.3---------5.3---------7.1-------3.7----1.9----1.9------2.5-------62.5----1.9------113---------100


7.  Marcus Smart (30.4mpg regular season, 29.8mpg playoffs)

..........................PTS.....FG%.....FGA.....3PTFG%.....3PTFGAS....REBS.....AST.....TO.....BLKS.....FTAS.....FT%.....STLS.....OFF-Rtg.....DEF-Rtg
Regular Season----12.5----35.9----11.2----28.3---------5.0---------4.6-------5.5----2.4----.5--------3.8------81.2----1.9------102---------108
Playoffs, Rd 1------9.7-----37.5-----9.7-----38.5---------5.2---------6.4------5.8-----1.6---1.0-------.6--------66.7---1.8-------109---------103


8.  Terry Rozier (17.1mpg regular season, 17.6mpg playoffs)

..........................PTS.....FG%.....FGA.....3PTFG%.....3PTFGAS....REBS.....AST.....TO.....BLKS.....FTAS.....FT%.....STLS.....OFF-Rtg.....DEF-Rtg
Regular Season----11.7----36.7----11.7----31.8---------5.1---------6.5-------3.7----1.3----.3-------1.9-------77.3----1.3------100---------108
Playoffs, Rd 1------13.1----45.8----9.8-----53.8---------5.3---------4.1-------2.5----0.0----.8-------1.6-------75.0----1.2------131---------106


So, if the name of the game is #18 and you need to win playoff games to get there, who's a keeper through Round 1?


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Re: Who's a Keeper? After Round 1

Post by dboss on Sat Apr 29, 2017 9:24 pm

The stew is still cooking.  Sure smells good.  wonder how it tastes.

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Re: Who's a Keeper? After Round 1

Post by kdp59 on Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:11 am

all of them...until/unless we lose a series.

then we talk.
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Re: Who's a Keeper? After Round 1

Post by dboss on Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:13 am

Every team is different. every series is different and every game is different.

I'm thinking that it is way too early to contemplate keepers.

Just my opinion.

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Re: Who's a Keeper? After Round 1

Post by cowens/oldschool on Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:20 pm

dboss wrote:Every team is different.  every series is different and every game is different.

I'm thinking that it is way too early to contemplate keepers.

Just my opinion.

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totally agree, end of playoffs better for evaluations
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Re: Who's a Keeper? After Round 1

Post by bobheckler on Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:37 pm

If players don't up their game the end of the playoffs comes sooner than we'd like. Have to step up every series or you don't make it to the next series.


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Re: Who's a Keeper? After Round 1

Post by bobheckler on Wed May 17, 2017 1:29 pm

UPDATE, AFTER ROUND 2


1.  Al Horford (32.3mpg regular season, 33.8mpg playoffs - Rd 1, 34.2mpg after Rd 2)

..........................PTS.....FG%.....FGA.....3PTFG%.....3PTFGAS....REBS.....AST.....TO.....BLKS.....FTAS.....FT%.....STLS.....OFF-Rtg.....DEF-Rtg
Regular Season----15.6----47.3----13.1----35.5---------4.0----------7.6------5.5-----1.9----1.4------2.2-----80-------.9-------114---------107
Playoffs, Rd 1------16.3----59.7----11.0----53.8---------2.3----------9.0------6.9-----1.2----.5-------2.3-----84.6-----1.2------141---------102
Playoffs, after 2----16.1---63.9----10.2----58.3---------2.8----------7.5------5.8-----1.6----.9-------1.8-----78.3-----.9-------140---------108


2.  Avery Bradley (33.4mpg regular season, 36.0mpg playoffs - Rd 1, 35.5mpg after Rd 2)

..........................PTS.....FG%.....FGA.....3PTFG%.....3PTFGAS....REBS.....AST.....TO.....BLKS.....FTAS.....FT%.....STLS.....OFF-Rtg.....DEF-Rtg
Regular Season----17.5----46.3----15.2----39.0---------5.4---------6.6-------2.4----1.7----.2--------1.8------73.1----1.3------105---------108
Playoffs, Rd 1------16.0----48.7----13.0----41-----------6.5---------4.0-------3.0----1.7----.2--------1.3------50------1.3------111---------108
Playoffs, after 2---15.8----45.8----13.6----38.3---------6.2---------3.9-------2.5----1.8----.2--------1.2------75------1.5------104---------111


3.  Isaiah Thomas (33.8mpg regular season, 34.8mpg playoffs - Rd 1, 35.8mpg after Rd 2)

..........................PTS.....FG%.....FGA.....3PTFG%.....3PTFGAS....REBS.....AST.....TO.....BLKS.....FTAS.....FT%.....STLS.....OFF-Rtg.....DEF-Rtg
Regular Season----30.8----46.3----20.6----37.9---------9.1---------2.9-------6.3----2.9----.2--------9.1------90.9----1.0------122---------112
Playoffs, Rd 1------23.8----43------17.2----20-----------7.8---------4.5-------5.9----3.8----0.0-------9.1------81.1----1.0------106---------107
Playoffs, after 2---25.4----44.1----18.2----34.3---------7.6---------3.3-------6.5----3.5----.2--------8.2------83-------.9-------112---------113


4.  Jae Crowder (32.4mpg regular season, 33.8mpg playoffs - Rd 1, 33.1mpg after Rd 2)

..........................PTS.....FG%.....FGA.....3PTFG%.....3PTFGAS....REBS.....AST.....TO.....BLKS.....FTAS.....FT%.....STLS.....OFF-Rtg.....DEF-Rtg
Regular Season----15.4----46.3----11.1----39.8---------6.1---------6.4-------2.4-----1.2---.4--------3.3------81.1----1.1------119---------109
Playoffs, Rd 1------12.8----40.9----11.7----27.3---------5.9---------5.7-------2.0-----.9----.4--------1.8------90-------1.1------106---------106
Playoffs, after 2----13.2---42.4----11.1----31.3---------4.9---------6.0-------2.4-----.6----.4---------2.7------85.7----1.2------115---------109


5.  Gerald Green (11.4mpg regular season, 17.8mpg playoffs - Rd 1, 15.1mpg after 2)

..........................PTS.....FG%.....FGA.....3PTFG%.....3PTFGAS....REBS.....AST.....TO.....BLKS.....FTAS.....FT%.....STLS.....OFF-Rtg.....DEF-Rtg
Regular Season----17.5----40.9----15.5----35.1---------7.4---------5.7-------2.2----1.7----.5--------2.7------80.5----.6-------102---------111
Playoffs, Rd 1------18.2----43.6----15.8----39.1---------9.3---------4.4-------1.6----1.2----0.0------1.2-------66.7----0.0-----105---------111
Playoffs, after 2----6.8-----44------5.6-----41.4---------3.2---------1.6-------.8------.4-----0.0------.7--------83.3----.1-------110---------115


6.  Kelly Olynyk (20.5mpg regular season, 19.3mpg playoffs - Rd 1, 19.6mpg after 2)

..........................PTS.....FG%.....FGA.....3PTFG%.....3PTFGAS....REBS.....AST.....TO.....BLKS.....FTAS.....FT%.....STLS.....OFF-Rtg.....DEF-Rtg
Regular Season----15.9----51.2----11.9----35.4---------4.5---------8.4-------3.5----2.2----.7--------2.9------73.2----1.0------113---------107
Playoffs, Rd 1------16.4----50------13.0----35.3---------5.3---------7.1-------3.7----1.9----1.9-------2.5------62.5----1.9------113---------100
Playoffs, after 2----9.7-----56.3----6.7-----35.1---------2.8---------3.3-------1.9----1.2----.8--------1.8------65.2----.8--------117---------107


7.  Marcus Smart (30.4mpg regular season, 29.8mpg playoffs - Rd 1, 29.6mpg after 2)

..........................PTS.....FG%.....FGA.....3PTFG%.....3PTFGAS....REBS.....AST.....TO.....BLKS.....FTAS.....FT%.....STLS.....OFF-Rtg.....DEF-Rtg
Regular Season----12.5----35.9----11.2----28.3---------5.0---------4.6-------5.5----2.4----.5--------3.8------81.2----1.9------102---------108
Playoffs, Rd 1------9.7-----37.5-----9.7-----38.5---------5.2---------6.4------5.8-----1.6----1.0------.6--------66.7----1.8------109---------103
Playoffs, after 2---8.0-----36.6-----7.2-----38.8---------3.8---------5.1------4.6-----1.8----1.0------2.5-------53.1----1.5-------104---------107


8.  Terry Rozier (17.1mpg regular season, 17.6mpg playoffs - Rd 1, 16.3mpg after 2)

..........................PTS.....FG%.....FGA.....3PTFG%.....3PTFGAS....REBS.....AST.....TO.....BLKS.....FTAS.....FT%.....STLS.....OFF-Rtg.....DEF-Rtg
Regular Season----11.7----36.7----11.7----31.8---------5.1---------6.5-------3.7----1.3----.3-------1.9-------77.3----1.3------100---------108
Playoffs, Rd 1------13.1----45.8----9.8-----53.8---------5.3---------4.1-------2.5----0.0----.8-------1.6-------75.0----1.2------131---------106
Playoffs, after 2---5.9------41.8----4.6-----44-----------2.1---------2.9-------1.4----.3------.3------1.4-------82.4----.6--------124---------109


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Re: Who's a Keeper? After Round 1

Post by sinus007 on Wed May 17, 2017 1:33 pm

Bobh,
Is there a reason for this order?

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Re: Who's a Keeper? After Round 1

Post by bobheckler on Wed May 17, 2017 2:22 pm

sinus007 wrote:Bobh,
Is there a reason for this order?

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You mean who is first, second, third, etc? No.


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Re: Who's a Keeper? After Round 1

Post by worcester on Wed May 17, 2017 2:39 pm

No rating for Jaylen?
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Re: Who's a Keeper? After Round 1

Post by Matty on Wed May 17, 2017 2:55 pm

bobheckler wrote:
sinus007 wrote:Bobh,
Is there a reason for this order?

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You mean who is first, second, third, etc?  No.  


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 I though it was "whose on first"
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