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Post by 112288 on Thu May 04, 2017 10:49 pm

Wizards get nasty, fight back, Kelly Oubre shoves Kelly Olynyk, Celtics dominated in Game 3 loss

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By Mike Petraglia

There was no miracle comeback this time. There was no Wizards collapse.

There was only complete domination by Washington in a must-have game to make this Eastern Conference semifinal series competitive.

John Wall had 24 points and eight assists while Otto Porter came out of the gates red-hot hitting his first seven shots and finishing with 17 points as the Wizards cruised to a 116-89 win at the Verizon Center in Washington Thursday night in Game 3. After 53 points Tuesday in Game 2 and 33 points in Game 1, Isaiah Thomas was held to 13 points and did not play the fourth quarter.

The Wizards dominated the paint, outscoring the Celtics, 56-28, Marcin Gortat finished with 13 points and 16 rebounds.

There was a near-brawl, pushing, shoving, trash-talking and three ejections that will set the tone for the rest of the series and undoubtedly up the ante going forward.

In an ever-growing intense, physical battle between the two Eastern Conference rivals, Kelly Oubre took serious objection from a pair of screens set by Kelly Olynyk midway through the second quarter. Oubre got up off the court and immediately ran at Olynyk and shoved him to the court.

That earned Oubre an immediate Flagrant 2 foul and ejection and no doubt, will merit a review from the league to determine his availability for Game 4 Sunday night in Washington. NBA director of discipline Kiki Vandeweghe was in attendance Thursday and will no doubt be busy reviewing the case in the next 24 hours.

The Celtics have been remarkably consistent in the first quarter in this series. Remarkably bad. This time there was no coming back. The Celtics again were blown off the floor in the first quarter thanks to a 22-0 run that turned a 12-12 game into a 34-12 rout.

Bojan Bogdanovic connected on all three 3-point attempts and John Wall and Bradley Beal attacked Isaiah Thomas in half-court and scored easy buckets in transition as the Wizards literally ran away from the Celtics for a third straight first quarter.

The Wizards led 39-17 after the first 12 minutes. In the first three games of this series, the Wizards have outscored the Celtics 38-24, 42-29 and 39-17.

The Oubre-Olynyk scuffle wasn’t the only confrontation in the first half. Jonas Jerebko attacked the basket on a drive and collided with big man Ian Mahinmi, seeing his first action of the series. Jerebko fell on Mahinmi and the Wizards big man took exception, getting up in Jerebko’s face.

(For a full boxscore, click here)

Brad Stevens told ESPN after the first quarter that “we have to wake up before we have a chance to come back.” Stevens then told his team in the huddle that they weren’t going to get back in the game by “hitting home runs.” Apparently, Avery Bradley and Al Horford threw caution to the wind, hitting consecutive threes that temporarily cut Washington’s lead to 19, 55-36. But the Wizards attacked the paint on the next two possessions, driving the lead back to 23. The Wizards took a 63-40 lead to the half.

The Celtics cut the lead to 18 to open the third quarter. But the Celtics missed their next six shots.

Isaiah Thomas did not start the second half as Dr. Brian McKeon tended to his temporary bridge in his mouth.

The Wizards went up by 30, 85-55, on a John Wall three-point play with 4:07 to go in the third quarter. Wall set a new NBA playoff record in which he’s had 20 points and at least seven assists in 10 straight games.

Stevens started resting his players late in the third quarter as Isaiah Thomas, Al Horford and Jae Crowder took a seat with the Celtics down 93-66 with a minute left in the third.

The Celtics were again brutal on the offensive glass all night. They were careless taking care of the ball. Marcus Smart finished with eight turnovers in 21 minutes as Washington took a 95-69 lead into the fourth.

With eight minutes left in the game, Terry Rozier and Brandon Jennings exchanged shoves, fouls and verbal insults. The initial contact drew the ire of Brad Stevens, telling the officials “that was all Jennings.” On the next play, Rozier was called for shoving Jennings to the ground and a foul was called on Rozier, causing Stevens to lose it on the sidelines in a rare moment of outrage.

Rozier and Jennings were ejected from the game.

The Celtics were beaten in nearly every aspect of the game Thursday night. During a timeout midway through the fourth quarter, Stevens kept reminding his team that there was something to play for, even down 19.

“In games like this, you find out what you can take with you,” Stevens said in the huddle. “We’re taking something from this quarter to apply Sunday, regardless”

The Celtics still lead the series, 2-1, and can take a 3-1 lead back to Boston if they capture Game 4 Sunday night in Washington. Game 5 is set for Wednesday night at 8 p.m. at TD Garden.

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Post by 112288 on Thu May 04, 2017 10:57 pm

Lot of finger pointing in this loss, but I'll start with Brad Stevens.  He laid an egg tonight!

Hey Brad...........did you ever think of calling a time out when the other team is taking a run at your team who is way out of sync!  What the hell were you thinking.

Finger pointing next goes to....Brad Stevens......IT is having a tough game...not to mention 10 hour of oral surgery to fix his mouth........why not give him a blow.......change the coverage with Wall and put in, oh I don't know......how about Terry Rozier..................you know the guy who gave you 14 points off the bench in 20 minutes Rozier...ya that guy!

Or how about Brown and his athleticism.   You goT your brainS beaten in the first quarter and you stick with the same guys................not pulling a rabit out of your butt this night!

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Post by steve3344 on Fri May 05, 2017 1:25 am

Hard to believe the FEWEST points the Celts have given up in the first quarter of all three games is 38.

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Post by cowens/oldschool on Fri May 05, 2017 1:38 am

Okay board members any ideas strategically or personnel wise to stop them from killing us every first quarter?
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Post by steve3344 on Fri May 05, 2017 6:37 am

cowens/oldschool wrote:Okay board members any ideas strategically or personnel wise to stop them from killing us every first quarter?

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Post by fierce on Fri May 05, 2017 6:39 am

cowens/oldschool wrote:Okay board members any ideas strategically or personnel wise to stop them from killing us every first quarter?

Start Olynyk with Horford, Thomas, Bradley, and Crowder.
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Post by Matty on Fri May 05, 2017 6:48 am

steve3344 wrote:
cowens/oldschool wrote:Okay board members any ideas strategically or personnel wise to stop them from killing us every first quarter?
I like.. no, I love how you think. Especially as I hado very simile thought's myself.
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Post by kdp59 on Fri May 05, 2017 7:44 am

I said this series was going to be a war form game one.

Washington is a punk team and they punked the Celtics last night.

Morris is still facing a trial for beating another man (along with his brother) last year. OUbre showed his stuff and Jennings?,,,come on. But they proved they are tougher than we were last night for sure.

Maybe Brooks said this isn't the 90's NBA anymore before the series started, but they certainly want to play it.

we better come out with some physicality next game to match them. They want to play to like a punk team, Brad better get our guys ready to punk them back. Since our bench is deeper, we can take the NBA's rule of dual tech's and ejections better than the Bullets can.

yes the Bullets, if they want to play like the odl days then use your real names assholes!



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Post by worcester on Fri May 05, 2017 9:03 am

Brad, forget the three guard lineup with IT, Smart, and Avery. Use Rozier more. Play Jaylen with the starters and always have him in there when Bogdanovich is on the floor. Always. Don't yank him if he misses a shot or the first defensive coverage. Give Jaylen some of the latitude you give Marcus, who really was just terrible last night. Eight TO's in 21 minutes - really? Also Brad, use timeouts to stop Wizard runs. You are allowed.
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Post by mulcogiseng on Fri May 05, 2017 9:34 am

I said he needed a new starting lineup and he did. I would have started KO and Horford, Rozier, Bradley, and Brown. Depending on how IT is feeling, I'd start that lineup next or perhaps sub Rozier for Bradley in the starting lineup, giving more punch to the second unit. I'd also ask Mickey and Zeller if they are willing to get down and dirty for the team and then give them an opportunity to do so. The stash are in the wings and waiting for those spots next year.

Brad's got a few small holes in his coaching game that are being exposed in the playoffs. That's what they do, they force you to play your best game when in a best of seven format. And a best of seven series doesn't truly start until the home team loses one.

Just being a little pissy but how much upside does Marcus really have? And what does he have on Stevens that he keeps getting trusted with more responsibility than he can fairly handle? Role and playing time should be based on skill set and match ups. Oh, IMO, of course.
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Post by bobheckler on Fri May 05, 2017 10:44 am

I didn't expect us to win this game.  It was desperation for them, they needed it and we didn't.  All I wanted was for us to keep it close so we could force Brooks to play Wall and Beal and Gortat 40+ minutes.  I got nothing of what I wanted except for the porn star martinis (vanilla vodka, passion fruit juice and sparkling wine) I was drinking last night.  As the game wore on and the blow out grew I had plenty of those.

How many times do you think we can have those icy-cold starts before we start our summer vacation?  We got some open looks, we just missed, but we have to hit them so we don't dig ourselves a hole that a backhoe operator would be proud of.  I agree that Brad needs to adjust but he didn't do badly with coaching if a catch-and-shoot team gets open looks off a catch and just misses them.  Brad can't take the shots for them.  

Our defense against these guys, once again, was WAY below par.  We got them down to 46% but that was too late and, even then, 46% is not good defense.  Bogdanovich went off.  19 points on 6-12 and 4-7 from 3.  Remember how Portis went off on us vs Chicago, and then it was Zipser (or was it Zipser and then Portis?).  Last night it was Bogie.  If we adjust for him who else do they have that can/will step up?  Oubre?  I'm not that afraid of him, I don't see him lighting us up with Brad having no answer (I hope I didn't just jinx us).

To me, our biggest problems boil down to the Wall/Gortat pnr and transition defense to stop them from getting good chances before we can set our defense.  In short, my biggest problem is with our defense, not our offense despite our pathetic performance last night.  We had a lousy shooting night, that will correct itself because we can shoot we just didn't last night, and we aren't defending their offensive sets-of-choice, the two I named above.  Of those two my central issue is with the pnr.  We need to figure that one out.

We shot 35%.  The only players who shot 40%+ (not that 40% is so hot either, but if you aren't even doing that then you are a big part of the problem unless you only played a few minutes in garbage time) was Horford (5-8 in 28 minutes), Jae Crowder (the minumum 4-10 in 26 minutes) and that's it.  Two players, one shooting well and the other one shooting a still-unacceptable 40% and everybody else who wasn't garbage time even worse.  Our other 3 starters each shot 3-8, 37.5%.  Our first 3 players off the bench (Smart, KO and Rozier) were a combined 3-14 for 21.4%.  When 91% frito shooter IT shoots 7-11 from the line, 63.6%, you know the wheels have come completely off.  

Celtics with 16 TOs.  Smart with 8.  And his 2-9 shooting didn't help neither.

How to stop the Wall-Gortat pnr?  If Brad figures that out we win this in 5 because it turns their offense into 4-on-5 because Gortat thrives on those.  They don't run any other plays for him except those.  If he doesn't we still win but it will be much tougher.

Let's not get too emotionally tied up in this.  Remember 2008?  We lost every single road game and won every single home game in the first two series, going 7 in the first two series, and won in 6 in the EC Finals and in 6 for the Championship.  And that was a freaking awesome team, MUCH better than this one, that won 66 games during the season! We win this in 7 and we're still doing better than KG/Pierce/Allen/Rondo/Perk did because we beat Chicago in 6.

Calm down, my little chickadees.  We're still up 2-1.  They still need the next game too just to keep this series less than a long shot.  Who would you rather be right now?  The Boston Celtics who just lost a road game, is still up 2-1 and still has home court advantage, or the Washington Wizards who won a home game and despite that is still down 1-2 in a series where they do not have home court advantage and they are not a good road team?

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Post by mrkleen09 on Fri May 05, 2017 11:55 am

Only need one game in DC. C's will get that on Sunday.
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Post by bobheckler on Fri May 05, 2017 12:10 pm

mrkleen09 wrote:Only need one game in DC.  C's will get that on Sunday.  


MrKleen,

We don't even need that. They need one in Boston.

Btw, how's it going? Everything good in your world?


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Post by mrkleen09 on Fri May 05, 2017 12:36 pm

Everything is great Bob...thank you.

Yeah, I dont like Game 7s, so lets wrap it up before that Smile

My son Owen is totally into the Celtics and knows all the players names - having so much fun watching the replays with him.

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Post by gyso on Fri May 05, 2017 12:47 pm

mrkleen09 wrote:Only need one game in DC.  C's will get that on Sunday.  

I like the way you think.

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Post by sinus007 on Fri May 05, 2017 1:27 pm

Hi,
Speaking about game 3 or, rather its aftermath. Are they going to suspend Oubre for a game?

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Post by tjmakz on Fri May 05, 2017 1:35 pm

sinus007 wrote:Hi,
Speaking about game 3 or, rather its aftermath. Are they going to suspend Oubre for a game?

AK

In my opinion yes he will be suspended because he made contact with the referee when he pushed Olynyk.
If it was Wall, Beal, IT or Horford, I'm not sure they would be suspended.
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Post by dboss on Fri May 05, 2017 1:43 pm

Celts cannot hide IT forever

The lineup change last night kept it close for 12 points.

Celts should play more zone.

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Post by bobheckler on Fri May 05, 2017 2:10 pm

tjmakz wrote:
sinus007 wrote:Hi,
Speaking about game 3 or, rather its aftermath. Are they going to suspend Oubre for a game?

AK

In my opinion yes he will be suspended because he made contact with the referee when he pushed Olynyk.
If it was Wall, Beal, IT or Horford, I'm not sure they would be suspended.


TJ,

I disagree, I don't think he will be suspended. He rushed Olynyk and knocked him down chest-to-chest, his arms were almost straight down at his side (so no slap/punch or even push) but his contact with the ref was purely incidental and I didn't see where the ref even lost his balance momentarily.


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Post by sinus007 on Fri May 05, 2017 2:18 pm

Hi,
I'm afraid that if they don't suspend Oubre it may help to open a hunting season on IT4. Especially considering that Brooks kind of justifies what Oubre did.

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Post by bobheckler on Fri May 05, 2017 2:20 pm

sinus007 wrote:Hi,
I'm afraid that if they don't suspend Oubre it may help to open a hunting season on IT4. Especially considering that Brooks kind of justifies what Oubre did.

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Sinus,

Which would justify open season on Wall.


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Post by mrkleen09 on Fri May 05, 2017 2:23 pm

bobheckler wrote:

TJ,

I disagree, I don't think he will be suspended.  He rushed Olynyk and knocked him down chest-to-chest, his arms were almost straight down at his side (so no slap/punch or even push) but his contact with the ref was purely incidental and I didn't see where the ref even lost his balance momentarily.


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The ball was dead and he ran across the court to attack another player and knock him down and hit a ref in the process. Very easily could have kicked off a full on brawl - 100% suspendable offense imo.
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Post by sinus007 on Fri May 05, 2017 2:24 pm

Bobh,
Exactly. I don't want to watch MMA instead of NBA.

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Post by dboss on Fri May 05, 2017 4:00 pm

sinus007 wrote:Hi,
I'm afraid that if they don't suspend Oubre it may help to open a hunting season on IT4. Especially considering that Brooks kind of justifies what Oubre did.

AK

I thought flagrant 2 were automatic one game suspension?

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