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Post by atcross on Sun May 21, 2017 5:12 pm

Now that it’s all over but the weeping, what will it take to make a championship team? Rather than looking at it from a fantasy trades, drafts and free agent perspective long term, suppose we had to decide today what we have that might be part of an eight man rotation for a contender. I see four current players that could be part of a contender rotation:

Thomas – but not as a starter. Thomas has everything you could want in a superstar. He can score inside and out and with single coverage he can score almost at will. He’s a scrappy defender, a decent passer, plays with tremendous heart, energy, strength, and good IQ. His only real weakness is the one thing he can’t work on this summer. He is six inches shorter than most point guards in the league and almost a foot shorter than some. There’s small ball and then there’s too small ball. He can’t see over the defense to make passes and if trapped by a couple bigger players he can’t see out of it. I don’t know if his ego could take it but I can see him as an awesome sixth man, coming off the bench to provide instant offense. But it would be asking a lot of a guy who was just mentioned as a potential MVP candidate who deserves all of the accolades and money he can get. I just don’t think he can start on a championship caliber team.

Bradley – Avery is a premier perimeter defender and a more than adequate scorer. He is also a great rebounder for his size. His only real deficit is that he is a lousy passer. With the right group I can see him starting on a championship team.
 
Horford – You can debate what he’s worth on payday but the fact is that he is an excellent stretch PF. He shoots the three and can post up. He’s a good defender and a very good passer. He’s not a terrific rebounder but would probably be better with a bulky center that was a good rebounder. With a stronger group I think his performance would be even better. And he’s a leader. I could see him starting at PF.

Crowder – I’m not exactly sure what a glue guy is but I would think Crowder might be that guy. He does most things pretty well and brings tenacity to the defense and a threat from three. But he doesn’t create his own shots and score off the dribble. He’s strong but not fast compared to the elite SFs. I think he makes the rotation but probably not as a starter.

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Smart – Obviously a lot of intangible pluses. Too many to discount. But he’s not a good scorer. Maybe another summer of working on his shot will change that. If he does then he might be a championship rotation player.

Brown – It’s tempting to say he should be in the first group. He’s the kind of SF we need. Based on what we’ve seen lately there’s good reason to believe he will be a very good all around player. But I’m basing this on what he is right now and right now I don’ know for sure.

Olynyk – There have been times when he looks like a good stretch PF but obviously his lack of aggression and inconsistency is still a problem. He’s similar to Horford in many ways but not there yet and you have to wonder how much longer it will take.

Rozier – We’ve only just begun to see what this kid can do. What we’ve seen is very promising and he could probably start on most teams right now. But I’d have to say we just haven’t seen enough to say he belongs in a champion’s rotation.

So out of an eight man rotation I think we might have four, assuming Thomas is willing to take the sixth man position. That leaves us needing a PG and Fultz looks like a good candidate. He has all of the size and skills to compete with the Walls he will hit in the NBA. We traded Rondo and Turner left and left us with nothing but a couple bigs, Horford and Olynyk, that can pass. We need someone talented enough and big enough at guard to be a playmaker.  

At SF it seems we should expect to trade or sign a FA to get the kind of player that can score in buckets. Right now it looks like Haywood is the best prospect to sign though there may be a chance to get Butler. Probably not Mr. LA-bound George. Who else at SF?

At center we need a very strong rebounder, rim protector, banger. Who might available that could be a championship team caliber player? Remember Perkins filled that bill so it needn’t be a superstar.

That’s seven. An eighth off the bench might be one of the alternates or one of the Euros or TBD. A starting five of Fultz, Bradley, Hayward, Horford, and Mr. Center TBD, with Thomas, Crowder and Mr. 8th is probably not going to beat Cleveland or GSW but outside of fantasy BB who would right now? I’m trying to be realistic here and move to the next level.

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Post by bobheckler on Sun May 21, 2017 6:36 pm

atcross wrote:Now that it’s all over but the weeping, what will it take to make a championship team? Rather than looking at it from a fantasy trades, drafts and free agent perspective long term, suppose we had to decide today what we have that might be part of an eight man rotation for a contender. I see four current players that could be part of a contender rotation:

Thomas – but not as a starter. Thomas has everything you could want in a superstar. He can score inside and out and with single coverage he can score almost at will. He’s a scrappy defender, a decent passer, plays with tremendous heart, energy, strength, and good IQ. His only real weakness is the one thing he can’t work on this summer. He is six inches shorter than most point guards in the league and almost a foot shorter than some. There’s small ball and then there’s too small ball. He can’t see over the defense to make passes and if trapped by a couple bigger players he can’t see out of it. I don’t know if his ego could take it but I can see him as an awesome sixth man, coming off the bench to provide instant offense. But it would be asking a lot of a guy who was just mentioned as a potential MVP candidate who deserves all of the accolades and money he can get. I just don’t think he can start on a championship caliber team.

Bradley – Avery is a premier perimeter defender and a more than adequate scorer. He is also a great rebounder for his size. His only real deficit is that he is a lousy passer. With the right group I can see him starting on a championship team.
 
Horford – You can debate what he’s worth on payday but the fact is that he is an excellent stretch PF. He shoots the three and can post up. He’s a good defender and a very good passer. He’s not a terrific rebounder but would probably be better with a bulky center that was a good rebounder. With a stronger group I think his performance would be even better. And he’s a leader. I could see him starting at PF.

Crowder – I’m not exactly sure what a glue guy is but I would think Crowder might be that guy. He does most things pretty well and brings tenacity to the defense and a threat from three. But he doesn’t create his own shots and score off the dribble. He’s strong but not fast compared to the elite SFs. I think he makes the rotation but probably not as a starter.

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Smart – Obviously a lot of intangible pluses. Too many to discount. But he’s not a good scorer. Maybe another summer of working on his shot will change that. If he does then he might be a championship rotation player.

Brown – It’s tempting to say he should be in the first group. He’s the kind of SF we need. Based on what we’ve seen lately there’s good reason to believe he will be a very good all around player. But I’m basing this on what he is right now and right now I don’ know for sure.

Olynyk – There have been times when he looks like a good stretch PF but obviously his lack of aggression and inconsistency is still a problem. He’s similar to Horford in many ways but not there yet and you have to wonder how much longer it will take.

Rozier – We’ve only just begun to see what this kid can do. What we’ve seen is very promising and he could probably start on most teams right now. But I’d have to say we just haven’t seen enough to say he belongs in a champion’s rotation.

So out of an eight man rotation I think we might have four, assuming Thomas is willing to take the sixth man position. That leaves us needing a PG and Fultz looks like a good candidate. He has all of the size and skills to compete with the Walls he will hit in the NBA. We traded Rondo and Turner left and left us with nothing but a couple bigs, Horford and Olynyk, that can pass. We need someone talented enough and big enough at guard to be a playmaker.  

At SF it seems we should expect to trade or sign a FA to get the kind of player that can score in buckets. Right now it looks like Haywood is the best prospect to sign though there may be a chance to get Butler. Probably not Mr. LA-bound George. Who else at SF?

At center we need a very strong rebounder, rim protector, banger. Who might available that could be a championship team caliber player? Remember Perkins filled that bill so it needn’t be a superstar.

That’s seven. An eighth off the bench might be one of the alternates or one of the Euros or TBD. A starting five of Fultz, Bradley, Hayward, Horford, and Mr. Center TBD, with Thomas, Crowder and Mr. 8th is probably not going to beat Cleveland or GSW but outside of fantasy BB who would right now? I’m trying to be realistic here and move to the next level.

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Thomas - I don't see IT coming off the bench again.  Ever.  For anybody.  The problem with IT is that, if he cannot guard the other team's PG then we need a player like Bradley to start and defend them, but that leaves IT on the bigger guard.  We now know that we cannot use his performance the last month or two as a measuring stick, due to his now-known hip injury, but he is never going to be a good defender.

Bradley - an elite perimeter defender and fast guard defender.  A solid offensive player who will get even better.  He has improved offensively every year he has been in the league.  Injuries are an issue, as is his next contract.  He is a player on the Celtics no opposing back court player wants to play against.
 
Horford - Better as a PF.  Of the top 20 5-man units this year, Al Horford is on every one.   He isn't a banger, so we need a banger to replace Amir.
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Crowder - slower than most SFs.  If you look at the top 3 teams in the league the best player on their teams are SFs (Durant, Leonard, James).  Crowder cannot compete with any of them.  His offense is too limited to catch-and-shoot.  He is 6'6", and very strong, but 6'6".

Smart - Ganas by the bucketful, but an awful, awful  scorer.  In a strange way, due to his terrible shooting, he is the most ball-centric player on our team.  The ball must be in his hands because if he moves without it to a shooting spot you don't want him getting the ball and shooting it.

Brown - An exciting rookie, who has taken large strides this year.  I'm liking his fearlessness in the playoffs.  Sophomore year is often a difficult one because the game will still be fast for him but he'll be scouted better next time around.  If he can play well next year then we might have something special.

Olynyk - How to fix inconsistent aggressiveness?  When he's on he's an almost impossible match-up for most defenders, he's either too tall or is too effective outside or drives on them, but he can be off just as easily he's on.  This is why he is a bench player and not a starter.  If we got anything anywhere near the Olynyk we got in Game 7 of the Washington series on a regular basis he'd be a starter for sure.  The question is "how can we flip the switch?".  Someone needs to kill his puppy so he wants to take it out on everybody else.

Rozier - I've read other people say that Rozier could start on other teams right now, and that it's "not fair" to keep him here.  I disagree with both points.  I think his limitations as a point guard and as a scorer would keep him coming off the bench of any team.  Furthermore, the whole "not fair" thing makes me roll my eyes.  If he's that good then we should absolutely keep him and use him to OUR advantage and not some other team's.  

I've been gathering the playoff stats for this team.  Unfortunately, these last two games vs Cleveland are going to severely skew the them.

In bound:

Ante Zizic - the designated banger.  First year in the NBA. How long will it take him to be ready?

Guerschon Yabusele - will The Dancing Bear play NBA defense?  He hasn't seen any in a year.

Fultz (?) - Point guard is one of the most challenging positions in basketball.  SG is easier, which might allow the trade of Bradley or Smart, but could Fultz guard the other team's PG?  If not then how do we trade Bradley?  Is Smart the one to go?  What can we get for a non-shooter?

2018 pick - 2 of the top 4 prospects in the 2018 draft are 7'ers, DeAndre Ayton (7'0", 243#, 7'5 1/2" wingspan) and Mohamed "La" Bamba (7'0", 207#, 7'9" wingspan), but they are both currently High School Seniors so keeping that pick would only make us much younger and young teams do not usually win championships.  


If we draft Jackson or Tatum instead of Fultz then we are taking a big step back in the rebuild since they won't be ready, if ever, for at least 3 years and how will we develop them and Jaylen Brown and still keep Crowder or  trade Crowder and sign Hayward?  Where's the minutes for all those players?  How do we play Crowder or Hayward 30mpg plus and still give enough minutes to Brown and Jackson/Tatum to develop them?

I don't know what the trade value of Crowder is.  I don't know what the trade value of Bradley is.  I'd be interested in knowing what the trade value of those two together is.  I've suggested Porzingis, but I'd be willing to bet the ranch that has little-to-no-chance getting past Phil unless Melo is included in the deal, and then the deal would get considerably more expensive to make the numbers work (Bradley + Crowder + Olynyk @ $12-15M = Zinger and Melo says ESPN Trade Machine).  Gallinari (ESPN trade machine says 'yes'.  Might involve draft picks)?  Butler (ESPN trade machine says 'yes')?  Blake Griffin (add a sign-and-trade for Jonas with Jae and AB and ESPN Trade Machine says 'yes').


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Post by atcross on Sun May 21, 2017 7:40 pm

If Thomas doesn't want to be the sixth man then I think he has to be part of a trade package. He can't defend and he will never be a really good distributor at his size. The scouting I've read suggests the only deficit that Fultz might have is a lack of enthusiasm at times. Considering the team he was playing on that might not be a fair perception. His maturity suggests he's capable of ramping up to the demands of the NBA. There aren't a lot of PGs we could sign that have his body and apparent skills. Package Thomas with a couple guys and maybe get a rotation player. I'm not a big fan of Griffin and certainly not Melo (NY would have to be really desparate to get rid of him to give up Zinger.) Gallinari seems a little injury prone.

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Post by kdp59 on Mon May 22, 2017 7:55 am

finding that big man may be the hardest part.

Ibaka is probably the closest as a UFA this off-season. Blake Griffin a bigger name, but he'll cost  more and his injury history is a problem for me.

Noel and Mason Plumlee are RFA's who could fit the bill as strong rebounders, but RFA' are hard to get. I like either one and maybe if Danny drafts Fultz, one of our guards could be traded in a sign and trade for one of these two.

say Bradleys' expiring contract  to Dallas for Noel?
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Post by fierce on Mon May 22, 2017 8:13 am

kdp59 wrote:finding that big man may be the hardest part.

Ibaka is probably the closest as a UFA this off-season. Blake Griffin a bigger name, but he'll cost  more and his injury history is a problem for me.

Noel and Mason Plumlee are RFA's who could fit the bill as strong rebounders, but RFA' are hard to get. I like either one and maybe if Danny drafts Fultz, one of our guards could be traded in a sign and trade for one of these two.

say Bradleys' expiring contract  to Dallas for Noel?

Dallas will not bite.

The Mavs already already gave Wes Matthews 64m.
They're not going to spend 20m per year on Bradley.
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Post by fierce on Mon May 22, 2017 8:18 am

Regarding Thomas, if he will have a season similar to this season next season, he's going to get a max contract from the Celts.

Celts will pay as long as the Celts keep winning and Thomas keeps putting up big numbers.

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Post by jrleftfoot on Mon May 22, 2017 8:41 am

We need a scorer who can get his own shot and a quality big who rebounds and defends at the rim.As far as which guys we keep or let go, that depends on too many factors tbd. Marcus Smart seems to perform better as a starter ( historically, not just last night) . Fultz would give us another guy who can score , whether on or off the ball, as would Heward, but Fultz wouldn`t break the bank. I still thing we should have gone after Boogie, but that`s water under the bridge. How good will Zizic and Yabusele be and how soon ? It`s going to be an interesting off-season.
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Post by bobheckler on Sun May 28, 2017 1:10 pm

Definite drool material here.  Not just his athleticism, but how often he used his left hand, how often he used body control to get a soft layup (as opposed to Smart and even Rozier, who don't that finish well on the move at the rim) and, my favorite, his pull-up jumpers.   His athleticism will have defenders falling back off him to protect against the drive.  If he becomes deadly at pull-up elbow jumpers the next step will be stutter-steps and changes-of-speed so defenders won't know what he'll do and that will get him even more layups and dunks as they can't fall off him as much anymore and bite on the pull-up fake and then he blows by them.






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Post by Rmbone on Sun May 28, 2017 3:48 pm

Josh Jackson is NBA ready from day 1. Quote me on that. More ready than Jaylen was, and Jaylen was a key contributor down the stretch and playoffs for a team that got to the ECF. Then in the ECF he was our best player in a couple of games.

Jackson's the same way, but more ready. He's a much better ball handler and decision maker and passer than Jaylen was/is, and he might be a year older than Jaylen was as well.

Jackson's defensive is above NBA average from day 1, and he can get his shot off and score from anywhere. He'll be our 2nd best player at creating his own shot and scoring at the rim from day 1, behind only IT4. His only weakness is getting too anxious at the FT line and clanking them off the back-center rim.

He might not play for Boston, but it will quickly become obvious how NBA ready he is.


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Post by atcross on Sun May 28, 2017 6:00 pm

I don't watch college ball but Jackson's profile doesn't sound like a day one NBA player. It sounds like he needs to add muscle and more consistent shooting. But that's what the Cs have scouts for. Based on profiles though, Fultz sounds much more NBA ready. And he is both a scorer and distributor. His defensive will sounds suspect but I suspect if you put him next to AB or Smart he will get the idea pretty quickly. He sounds intelligent and mature, two big pluses for someone playing PG. I want at least one person in the backcourt that can pass the ball and make plays. For various reasons our top four guards (five if you include Jackson) aren't that guy. A playmaker that can score is not easy to come by.

Zizic would seem to be the closest to the big banger that we need. Hayward may be the only big scorer for hire. Maybe Thomas wouldn't consider coming off the bench but he might accept coming out first so that he can feast on the other team's bench.

I don't speculate on trades because there are too many variables to do it intelligently. I would say that players like Smart, Rozier, Crowder, and Olynyk might be tradeable for the right player but I'm not going to guess who that might be. I would take a rotation of Thomas, Bradley, Fultz, Hayward, Brown, Horford, Zizic, and either Crowder or Olynyk starting next season. That seems doable without any spectacular trades. That rotation doesn't beat the Cavs or GSW (name one that does) but it does better than this year with more scoring, better playmaking, and hopefully more rebounding. If Danny can pull off a nice trade, so much the better.

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Post by Rmbone on Sun May 28, 2017 7:53 pm

atcross wrote:I don't watch college ball but Jackson's profile doesn't sound like a day one NBA player. It sounds like he needs to add muscle and more consistent shooting. But that's what the Cs have scouts for. Based on profiles though, Fultz sounds much more NBA ready. And he is both a scorer and distributor. His defensive will sounds suspect but I suspect if you put him next to AB or Smart he will get the idea pretty quickly. He sounds intelligent and mature, two big pluses for someone playing PG. I want at least one person in the backcourt that can pass the ball and make plays. For various reasons our top four guards (five if you include Jackson) aren't that guy. A playmaker that can score is not easy to come by.

Zizic would seem to be the closest to the big banger that we need. Hayward may be the only big scorer for hire. Maybe Thomas wouldn't consider coming off the bench but he might accept coming out first so that he can feast on the other team's bench.

I don't speculate on trades because there are too many variables to do it intelligently. I would say that players like Smart, Rozier, Crowder, and Olynyk might be tradeable for the right player but I'm not going to guess who that might be. I would take a rotation of Thomas, Bradley, Fultz, Hayward, Brown, Horford, Zizic, and either Crowder or Olynyk starting next season. That seems doable without any spectacular trades. That rotation doesn't beat the Cavs or GSW (name one that does) but it does better than this year with more scoring, better playmaking, and hopefully more rebounding. If Danny can pull off a nice trade, so much the better.

People who say Jackson needs to add muscle are people who illogically declare that he's a power forward. He's a better shooting guard than Fultz, and not much worse of a passer, and no worse as a scorer off the dribble. Much better finisher at the rim, which is a better shot than the mid-range jumper.

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Post by atcross on Sun May 28, 2017 8:17 pm

Rmbone wrote:
atcross wrote:I don't watch college ball but Jackson's profile doesn't sound like a day one NBA player. It sounds like he needs to add muscle and more consistent shooting. But that's what the Cs have scouts for. Based on profiles though, Fultz sounds much more NBA ready. And he is both a scorer and distributor. His defensive will sounds suspect but I suspect if you put him next to AB or Smart he will get the idea pretty quickly. He sounds intelligent and mature, two big pluses for someone playing PG. I want at least one person in the backcourt that can pass the ball and make plays. For various reasons our top four guards (five if you include Jackson) aren't that guy. A playmaker that can score is not easy to come by.

Zizic would seem to be the closest to the big banger that we need. Hayward may be the only big scorer for hire. Maybe Thomas wouldn't consider coming off the bench but he might accept coming out first so that he can feast on the other team's bench.

I don't speculate on trades because there are too many variables to do it intelligently. I would say that players like Smart, Rozier, Crowder, and Olynyk might be tradeable for the right player but I'm not going to guess who that might be. I would take a rotation of Thomas, Bradley, Fultz, Hayward, Brown, Horford, Zizic, and either Crowder or Olynyk starting next season. That seems doable without any spectacular trades. That rotation doesn't beat the Cavs or GSW (name one that does) but it does better than this year with more scoring, better playmaking, and hopefully more rebounding. If Danny can pull off a nice trade, so much the better.

People who say Jackson needs to add muscle are people who illogically declare that he's a power forward. He's a better shooting guard than Fultz, and not much worse of a passer, and no worse as a scorer off the dribble. Much better finisher at the rim, which is a better shot than the mid-range jumper.

Sorry, I want a point guard. A real point guard. We have some very good guards but not one real floor general. We move the ball well but when the defense is better we don't have a PG that can dissect it. So we force passes and turnover the ball. Our best passers are Horford and Olynyk. After that it drops off like a rock. Fultz got 6 dimes a game on a team that couldn't shoot straight. He has a 7' wingspan and big hands. As I said, I don't watch college ball (only Indiana if they have a decent team) but the profiles I read don't have Jackson as a better shooter. (Those profiles also have him as a SF not PF.) I can't say that I read anything that suggests he is guaranteed to be better than Brown. I want a real point guard.

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Post by jrleftfoot on Sun May 28, 2017 10:31 pm

I don`t watch enough college  ball  to express the sureness that some of you all have. Fultz seems to have the get your own shot scoring ability the Celtics need , but anyone who expects him to step in and take Thomas`s spot immediately is nuts. I strongly disagree with the idea that what we are lacking is a " true point guard."  What the Celtics lack is knock down shooters. Give IT  guys like Ray Allen, Pierce and KG to kick the ball out to and I guarantee you he will put up Rondo -like assist numbers while actually scoring himself. Give him Heyward and Fultz , for that matter.
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Post by kdp59 on Tue May 30, 2017 5:08 pm

OK, as I settle in the off-season and we read about the possible draft picks, I have come up with my current (meaning TODAY ONLY) idea for my favorite off-season.

I use this site for Salary cap info:
http://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/cap/2017/

1) Draft Fultz or whoever Danny and staff say is the next big thing.

2) renounce Amir, Jerebko, Young  and Say goodbye to Zellers non-guaranteed $8M. Freeing up enough cap space to sign.....

3) Sign P. Millsap to a  3 year deal around $25M per. (less than Max). He picks us over re upping with Atlanta because we are closer to a championship.

4) Offer Kelly a two year deal at $8M per, with the second year a PLAYER option. He can be a UFA then, if he chooses.

5) trade M. Smart and a future first (not Nets) to the Kings for W. Cauley-Stein. They have ZERO PGs signed for next year and not much in the backcourt at all.

6) sign Yabusle and Zizic to their rookie deals.

I think I'm done, we still have rights to sign Green if we choose , our second round picks ( Josh Hart might be a good fit on a Stevens team), as well as Nader to round out the roster.

IT, Bradley and Kelly (Likely) all would be UFA's the following season.

I'm out.
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Post by bobheckler on Tue May 30, 2017 5:51 pm

Look who wants to break into the rotation now.  Not 2-3 years from now.

Love this kid.  I wish I was as mature as him when I was his age.  If Danny drafts Jackson, then what?





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Post by Rmbone on Tue May 30, 2017 6:09 pm

bobheckler wrote:Look who wants to break into the rotation now.  Not 2-3 years from now.

Love this kid.  I wish I was as mature as him when I was his age.  If Danny drafts Jackson, then what?





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We celebrate. Both Brown and Jackson are future superstar shooting guards in the making. There's absolutely no minutes crunch whatsoever, even with Crowder. And Jackson has major untapped point guard potential as well. Think of him as a shorter Giannis with a better jump shot.

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Post by RosalieTCeltics on Tue May 30, 2017 6:19 pm

Love it, loved that kid from the first time i watched him fly to the rim. Those kind of guys, with no fear of anyone, I just want on my team. He will do whatever he has to to be included in the rotation, (starting?) sooner than later. Great clip, now for a few more of those types please?????

And one question, what about Nader???
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Post by Rmbone on Tue May 30, 2017 6:36 pm

RosalieTCeltics wrote:Love it, loved that kid from the first time i watched him fly to the rim.  Those kind of guys, with no fear of anyone, I just want on my team. He will do whatever he has to to be included in the rotation, (starting?) sooner than later.  Great clip, now for a few more of those types please?????

And one question, what about Nader???

Josh Jackson is the guy from this draft who is the same type. By far the most competitive, and the best athlete as well. Like Jaylen and Giannis and Kawhi and Paul George and Jimmy Butler and Scottie Pippen before him, Josh Jackson is getting slept on a bit, but everybody will deny they had Fultz and Ball ranked higher than Jackson within a year or two.

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Post by jrleftfoot on Tue May 30, 2017 8:15 pm

I`m not loving a 6`8 , 32 year old  Milsap for 25 million per year for three years. In fact, I am hating it. I`d much rather spend that kind of money on a scorer or an actual big man. ISN`t Amir`s contact still tradeable?
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Post by kdp59 on Wed May 31, 2017 7:20 am

nah, Amir is FA and he would have zero trade value anyway.

I am surprised people underrate Millsap so much. He is playing at a higher rate than Horford ( who gets nothing but love now that he's green). Millsap is the very same type of player only better.

The signing of Horford last season meant Danny wants to win sooner, rather than later.

I think that team is the best chance to challenge the Cavs in the next couple of years. Remember I would do the 3 year deal for a reason, bit he and Horford expire at the same time then. right as Jaylen and Fultz are ready to takeover as the leaders here.

here is that projected lineup:

starters:
Horford
Millsap
Jaylen
Bradley
Thomas

next five:
W. Cauley-Stein
Kelly O.
Crowder
Fultz
Rozier

deep bench:
Zizic
Yabusele
Nader
Hart (2nd round pick)
Jackson

top 10 players balance scoring and defense nicely.

The only problem could be getting WCS from the Kings. as long as we keep the rights to Kelly we can match any offer he might get.

doing the Kings deal could require Bradley instead of Smart OR perhaps a 3 team deal with Philly like Simmons has proposed.

I wouldn't want t move down farther than #3 in this draft however. But getting WCS AND J. Jackson ( at #3) for the top pick would work as well here.



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Post by jrleftfoot on Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:40 pm

I was asking whether Amir had an expiring contract that might be used in a trade. Thanks for answering.  I like Millsap, but given what we`ve already invested in Horford , not for those $$$. Your roster looks pretty good, but I think it still falls short in the knock down shooter/ creative scorer department. Fultz certainly helps , though.
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Post by kdp59 on Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:30 pm

jrleftfoot wrote:I was asking whether Amir had an expiring contract that might be used in a trade. Thanks for answering.  I like Millsap, but given what we`ve already invested in Horford , not for those $$$. Your roster looks pretty good, but I think it still falls short in the knock down shooter/ creative scorer department. Fultz certainly helps , though.


here's a couple links I keep for reference about salary and cap issues:

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/cap/2017/


http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/BOS.html

first one shows cap holds for the coming year.
second one shows year to year salary's per player


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Post by jrleftfoot on Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:10 pm

kdp59 wrote:
jrleftfoot wrote:I was asking whether Amir had an expiring contract that might be used in a trade. Thanks for answering.  I like Millsap, but given what we`ve already invested in Horford , not for those $$$. Your roster looks pretty good, but I think it still falls short in the knock down shooter/ creative scorer department. Fultz certainly helps , though.


here's a couple links I keep for reference about salary and cap issues:

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/cap/2017/


http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/BOS.html

first one shows cap holds for the coming year.
second one shows year to year salary's per player



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