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Post by bobheckler on Thu Jun 01, 2017 5:28 pm

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Adam Silver is rethinking his stance on the NBA's one-and-done rule


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“I’m rethinking our position,” Silver told Colin Cowherd on Wednesday’s episode of “The Herd” on FS1.



Since former commissioner David Stern successively negotiated an increase in the NBA’s draft age limit from 18 to 19 years old in 2005, the league has pushed for another increase from 19 to 20. The players’ association, meanwhile, has held firm on the idea of reverting back to the 18-year-old limit.

The two entities set their differences aside in the new CBA, which was agreed to in December and signed in January. The seven-year deal takes effect in July and will run through the 2023-24 season.

However, that does not mean the NBA and NBPA cannot reopen negotiations on the one-and-done rule, which has led to an increase from just two college basketball players who declared for the draft after their freshman season in the first go-round (2006) to 20 a decade later, according to Silver.

“In the last round of collective bargaining, Michele Roberts and I both agreed, let’s get through these core economic issues in terms of renewing the collective bargaining agreement, and then turn back to this age issue,” Silver told Cowherd, “because it’s one I think we need to be more thoughtful on and not just be in an adversarial position sort of under the bright lights of collective bargaining.”



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Post by RosalieTCeltics on Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:10 pm

This leaves the door open for more kids to be playing a man's game. The immaturity of the young players in the league is becoming more and more prevalent. Alot of these young men are not ready to deal on a day to day basis with men ten plus years older than them. This is just my opinion, more young guys trying to pick and choose their spots in the league and the NBA allowing it
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Post by beat on Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:07 pm

Seems if a person wants to make a living he should have that opportunity. I realize the league can set the rules.

That said the Army, Air Force, Navy and Marines have no issues taking young folks fresh outta high school at 17-18 and turning them into men. And risking your life is a lot tougher than anything the NBA can throw at you.

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Post by RosalieTCeltics on Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:41 pm

Just my opinion Beat. My husband was 18 years old when he entered the Air Force, one year later he was carrying a gun and living in a hell hole called Viet Nam. I do not think the comparison is fair. He certainly was not making a million dollars and being doted on when he was in the service. Comparing these kids who do nothing but bounce a basketball all day is not fair and being courted and dotted on. I am sorry but this is just the way I feel, these kids are spoon fed for so long. These are two different kinds of life we are comparing.

You see it your way, I see it mine.. good to see you posting a little more, missed you around here.

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Post by bobheckler on Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:49 pm

The league also has a right, obligation and duty to maintain the quality of their product, as does every organization. Quality Control.

Speaking of the military, you have to take an exam to get in, it's not just showing up at the recruiting office and signing up anymore.   Each service has their own minimum acceptable standards, with the Air Force requiring the highest grades on the test and the Marines with the lowest.  If your test score is below their minimum they will not take you, although you might qualify for another service.  The days of a judge offering a juvenile delinquent (or a young adult miscreant) the option of "join the Marines and let them make a man out of you, or go to prison" are bygone.  If you want to become an officer you need a college degree.  They might send you to college, and pay for it, because they see you as officer material (I know someone who just graduated from High School, enlisted in the Army and will be inducted in August, and the Army is paying for her to go to a 4-year college. They aren't requiring her to become an officer, which I think is strange given their financial commitment to her, but I am strongly encouraging her to follow that path) but without that degree you will not be tabbed as an officer. They have their standards of excellence and if you don't meet it then you aren't accepted into that elite club.

A four year degree is a requirement for federal police jobs.  

My point is that wanting a job isn't the same as getting the job you want. There are vocational schools to teach young people various skills they need to have before they enter the workforce in a particular capacity. In basketball we have the NCAA or Euro league for that.

Just my opinion.


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Post by RosalieTCeltics on Fri Jun 02, 2017 2:06 pm

Certainly wish those things were available to my Husband before he entered the Air Force. He was a Technical School Graduate who worked on automobiles for years (from the time he was about 14,working in gas stations and learning as much as he could).
When he enter the AF, he was immediately sent to school for airplanes and became a mechanic and flight line crew chief in Viet Nam. That was his schooling.

Not to beat this subject to death, but it is a different world for these talented athletes. Look at Ball, he is dictating where he is going. Pretty soon they will let these kids pick their teams. Then where will be be? In a big mess, I believe. Simmons never even went to class last year and quit school when his team did not make the NCAA's big dance. what a waste of a scholarship that someone who really wanted to work and learn could have used
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Post by gyso on Fri Jun 02, 2017 2:26 pm

Just throwing spitballs on the wall . . .

If you want to be picked in the first round, you have to be 20.
If you want to be picked in the second round, you can be 19.

Thoughts?

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Post by tjmakz on Fri Jun 02, 2017 2:35 pm

So, is keeping them in college for another year going to change much?
Many of these top "student athletes" aren't required to take the student part seriously.

If they are required to stay in school for 2 years, many will forgo college and will play internationally.
Colleges are happy to have them for 1 year instead of them playing internationally.
Kentucky is really the only school where many leave after 1 year.

Adam Silver might not be too happy with the one and done rule, but I doubt that anything changes.
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Post by bobheckler on Fri Jun 02, 2017 2:49 pm

gyso wrote:Just throwing spitballs on the wall . . .

If you want to be picked in the first round, you have to be 20.
If you want to be picked in the second round, you can be 19.

Thoughts?

gyso


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As of what date? Draft day? Wouldn't that penalize kids who were born in July and later? Calendar year? Then you could have 19 year olds playing in NBA games in November that had to be taken in the 2nd round that was born in January.

Since this is about upgrading the training and preparation of these athletes prior to jumping in with both feet, how about minimum 2 years out of High School? You could spend those years in a basketball program at a university or playing in a professional league other than the NBA but you need two years of prep before you get a shot at the the big prize.


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Post by beat on Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:38 pm

bobheckler wrote:The league also has a right, obligation and duty to maintain the quality of their product, as does every organization.  Quality Control.

Speaking of the military, you have to take an exam to get in, it's not just showing up at the recruiting office and signing up anymore.   Each service has their own minimum acceptable standards, with the Air Force requiring the highest grades on the test and the Marines with the lowest.  If your test score is below their minimum they will not take you, although you might qualify for another service.  The days of a judge offering a juvenile delinquent (or a young adult miscreant) the option of "join the Marines and let them make a man out of you, or go to prison" are bygone.  If you want to become an officer you need a college degree.  They might send you to college, and pay for it, because they see you as officer material (I know someone who just graduated from High School, enlisted in the Army and will be inducted in August, and the Army is paying for her to go to a 4-year college.  They aren't requiring her to become an officer, which I think is strange given their financial commitment to her, but I am strongly encouraging her to follow that path) but without that degree you will not be tabbed as an officer.  They have their standards of excellence and if you don't meet it then you aren't accepted into that elite club.

A four year degree is a requirement for federal police jobs.  

My point is that wanting a job isn't the same as getting the job you want.  There are vocational schools to teach young people various skills they need to have before they enter the workforce in a particular capacity.  In basketball we have the NCAA or Euro league for that.

Just my opinion.


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All I'm saying is let them try. If they fail that's on them.  

In baseball it goes like this........

The basic categories of players eligible to be drafted are:
High school players, if they have graduated from high school and have not yet attended college or junior college;
College players, from four-year colleges who have either completed their junior or senior years or are at least 21 years old; and
Junior college players, regardless of how many years of school they have completed.

don't know why basketball can't do something similar.

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Post by gyso on Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:51 pm

bobheckler wrote:
gyso wrote:Just throwing spitballs on the wall . . .

If you want to be picked in the first round, you have to be 20.
If you want to be picked in the second round, you can be 19.

Thoughts?

gyso


gyso,

As of what date?  Draft day?  Wouldn't that penalize kids who were born in July and later?  Calendar year?  Then you could have 19 year olds playing in NBA games in November that had to be taken in the 2nd round that was born in January.

Since this is about upgrading the training and preparation of these athletes prior to jumping in with both feet, how about minimum 2 years out of High School?  You could spend those years in a basketball program at a university or playing in a professional league other than the NBA but you need two years of prep before you get a shot at the the big prize.  


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I meant 20 years old or two years out of high school to be eligible for the first or second round draft.

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19 years old or one year out of high school is only eligible for the second round. One and done players.

In other words, there is a penalty for going pro after only one year out of high school.  One result with this is that it would make early second round picks a very tradable commodity.

I understand that better trained players make a better NBA, but some guys just aren't cut out to succeed in college.  Likewise, some guys aren't ready to live overseas.  This gives them a path to the NBA where they can still make a pretty good living.

I am just trying to think outside of the box.  I think that the deathgrip that the NCAA has on young athletes is a shameful thing.

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Post by Rmbone on Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:18 am

Those who are from high crime low income neighborhoods should be allowed to go to the NBA and get their family out of harm's way as fast as possible.

Recall Dwyane Wade's sister or cousin getting shot down in Chicago last summer. That could happen to a player's relative while he's stuck in college, because some rich people decided that was a good idea.

Not to mention that player could have a career ending injury while in college, and never get the chance to take care of his family and get them out of harm's way.

Disadvantaged people have enough problems without creating extra, arbitrary barriers.


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Post by kdp59 on Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:13 am

I think the compromise that Silver may want is 18-19 YO's are allowed to be drafted but can only play in the D-League ( under NBA contracts).

to play in the big league you have to be 20 YO at some point during the regular season.

makes sense with the move to dual NBA/D-league contracts and the desire of the NBAPA to get back to allowing 18YO's into the League ,as well as Silver's desire to move the age up to 20 for NBA players.

Schools like Kentucky may be unhappy however.
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Post by RosalieTCeltics on Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:09 am

Kdp59 That kind of makes sense to me, time to mature, learn what it is like to be away from home, and life style changes. Some of these kids have no idea how to set up a checking account, bank money, etc. I saw a story of a kid who had a signing bonus and never cashed it. When the team finally asked him what happened to the check, he said he put it in a draw because he had no idea what to do with it! I know, I know, that is a one in a million story. but these are complete lifestyle changes for these kids. Most kids would cash a check in a minute, but they would blow that money too.

A little help along the way would serve all sides well
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Post by swish on Sat Jun 03, 2017 10:32 am

Of the many different professions in this world - why single out athletes when determining which professions require, at minimum, a partial college education. I grew up under the baseball rules of the 30's and 40's where the decision was left in the hands of the young athlete and his parents. Not every kid requires college book learning to be a success.

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Post by dboss on Sat Jun 03, 2017 10:51 am

I see no logical reason why there should be any restriction on when a prospect can be eligible to be drafted.  If they have graduated from HS they should be able to be drafted.  I do not see restrictions like this in other sports like baseball or tennis for example.

What is the real reason?

NBA teams did not have to draft high school ballers but they did and the 1 and done rule does not change the narrative.  

I do not like arbitrary restrictions.

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Post by worcester on Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:33 am

I do not like young, tall players pounding the hardwood for 82+ games a season at 18 or 19 years of age. By 20 the growth plates on their long bones have solidified, thus for health and durability reasons it's better for such players to wait until 20 to start playing the pro schedule. Whether that restriction should be legislated by the NBA is a matter of debate between the league and the NBPA. For fans it's better to see a more finished product on the floor, so health reasons aside I would rather see 20 as the entry age, but as a civil liberties guy, let the player decide.
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Post by gyso on Sat Jun 03, 2017 2:32 pm

Dboss,

The real reason? The NCAA doesn't want the best players to bypass their "amateur" monopoly cash cow. That is IMO the biggest component. To give the NBA a small amount of credit, maybe they are also considering the player's health, taking what Worcester has suggested about their growth plates.

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Post by swish on Sat Jun 03, 2017 3:25 pm

The amazing growth in the popularity of participation in basketball in the last 80 years or so is unreal. A season of basketball was somewhere around 25 games a year back in the 40's - so a high school career might involve 100 games for a bunch of 14-18 year olds. At least for the kids who lived in the rural ares it was high school basketball in the winter or a different sport in another season. Now you have elementary school children travelling around the country during the summer, playing many more games as part of aau programs. Its a labor of love for the kids and I doubt very much that they are concerned about the added risks that they face. Perhaps over the years technology will be able to soften the surfaces that they play on to help reduce joint injuries. So until then - here's one old timer that does not want to go back to the so called GOOD OLD DAYS. I'm very happy with the modern game.

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Post by worcester on Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:01 pm

How about a rubber court and a hardwood ball?
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Post by swish on Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:23 pm

worcester wrote:How about a rubber court and a hardwood ball?

Hey worcester

How about substituting a basketball for the puck in hockey - since ice doesn't seem to be as tough on joints.?

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Post by jrleftfoot on Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:58 pm

I  agree with swish, beat and (dare I say it) rmbone. not everybody is a college student candidate. some families need  money more than others. nobody is forcing the teams to sign these kids, so if their youth is lowering the quality of play that`s on the people that hire them. everyone is different. KG came straight out of high school, had a great career and is a responsible , intelligent adult ( Ray Allen may disagree with that last part). Other guys fell by the wayside, and some, like Gerald Green, weren`t ready, but perservered. unlike war, it`s just a game.
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Post by jrleftfoot on Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:02 pm

Rmbone wrote:Those who are from high crime low income neighborhoods should be allowed to go to the NBA and get their family out of harm's way as fast as possible.

Recall Dwyane Wade's sister or cousin getting shot down in Chicago last summer. That could happen to a player's relative while he's stuck in college, because some rich people decided that was a good idea.

Not to mention that player could have a career ending injury while in college, and never get the chance to take care of his family and get them out of harm's way.

Disadvantaged people have enough problems without creating extra, arbitrary barriers.

+1. hatchet buried, I hope.
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