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Post by Rmbone on Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:47 pm

fierce wrote:
RosalieTCeltics wrote:He really must not have liked Fultz, you were right Jackson has had his eye for a while. But, Jackson cancelled his workout here this week????? Why?????? So much for not trading the pick unless he gets an elite player in return.

There's another shoe or two to fall here

Reports indicate that Celts are not done dealing.

Ainge didn't downgrade from #1 to #3 just to gamble on the Lakers pick next year.

Clearly Ainge is thinking "win now" and will most probably use the #3 pick to get Jimmy Butler or Paul George.

Yawn. There's unfounded gossip, just like the gossip that the Celtics were SURE to trade the #3 pick last year.

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Post by gyso on Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:48 pm

Jackson is going to the Lakers. We are not worried about him or them.

#3 may be going to the Bulls.

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Post by bobheckler on Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:49 pm

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bobheckler wrote:Mark Murphy @Murf56
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Source confirms that trade with Philly likely to be announced Monday. C's get No. 3 and Boston-friendly protection on 2018 Lakers pick.
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Re source, Celtics would have option to obtain 2019 Kings pick if 2018 Lakers pick is too low.
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That's much better. I thought it was top 3 or top 5 protected.


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So even if you are right and LA takes Jackson and their pick drops to 10th Danny still covered us because Sacto is a dumpster fire on the scale of Brooklyn. They have picks and Brooklyn doesn't but they are an incoherent mess from top to bottom.


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Post by RosalieTCeltics on Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:55 pm

Now I can't wait to go out for coffee tomorrow.  Jamie Young comes in a lot of mornings, very pleasant guy. I just may have to ask him what else is coming!!!!! Think he will tell????
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Post by Rmbone on Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:00 am

gyso wrote:Jackson is going to the Lakers.  We are not worried about him or them.

#3 may be going to the Bulls.

*Swish smiles*


"#3 may be going to the Bulls."

Said everybody, last year

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Post by bobheckler on Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:02 am

Derek Bodner @DerekBodnerNBA

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MY NOTE:  Only 2-5?  No protection on the Sacto pick?  And we still have this year's #3.


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Post by bobheckler on Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:03 am

Adam Himmelsbach @AdamHimmelsbach
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The Celtics' overflowing backcourt also factored into their decision to pass on Fultz, sources say.
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Post by Rmbone on Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:06 am

RosalieTCeltics wrote:Now I can't wait to go out for coffee tomorrow.  Jamie Young comes in a lot of mornings, very pleasant guy. I just may have to ask him what else is coming!!!!! Think he will tell????

He'll tell, but it won't be Jimmy Butler or Paul George.

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Post by Rmbone on Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:07 am

bobheckler wrote:Adam Himmelsbach @AdamHimmelsbach
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The Celtics' overflowing backcourt also factored into their decision to pass on Fultz, sources say.
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Translation: Fultz isn't better than Bradley, Jaylen, or Smart.

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Post by NYCelt on Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:07 am

Understandable that we would go for a package that would land us more top picks in coming years.  

Strange that this wasn't a draft night deal, however, selecting Fultz for the 76ers and then making the trade. If anything, that's a position of higher leverage.

Now, we wait to see who LA takes or try to trade the 3rd pick.  Jackson, Tatum and Ball would all be good additions, no argument there, and we really need to add a small forward, so Jackson or Tatum would be a big boost.

But by itself, this deal leaves a lot of unanswered questions.  We've helped a division rival improve tremendously, and LA controls who we pick.  Far from Ainge's best work.

Unless there's more to come...
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Post by cowens/oldschool on Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:19 am

so we have the 3rd pick in this years draft and a very good chance for 2 lottery picks in 18.....could be very good or great.
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Post by bobheckler on Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:19 am

Rmbone wrote:
bobheckler wrote:Adam Himmelsbach @AdamHimmelsbach
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The Celtics' overflowing backcourt also factored into their decision to pass on Fultz, sources say.
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Translation: Fultz isn't better than Bradley, Jaylen, or Smart.


Rmbone,

That is how I read it also. Or even Rozier.


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Post by bobheckler on Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:25 am

NYCelt wrote:Understandable that we would go for a package that would land us more top picks in coming years.  

Strange that this wasn't a draft night deal, however, selecting Fultz for the 76ers and then making the trade.  If anything, that's a position of higher leverage.

Now, we wait to see who LA takes or try to trade the 3rd pick.  Jackson, Tatum and Ball would all be good additions, no argument there, and we really need to add a small forward, so Jackson or Tatum would be a big boost.

But by itself, this deal leaves a lot of unanswered questions.  We've helped a division rival improve tremendously, and LA controls who we pick.  Far from Ainge's best work.

Unless there's more to come...


NYCelt,

Philly was going to be helped almost as much anyway, if this draft is as deep as you all have been saying.  "Deep" means the talent level from 1 to 3 isn't that much.  They gain a little on the difference, we lose a little on the difference but we gain another lottery pick


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Post by NYCelt on Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:25 am

Rmbone wrote:
bobheckler wrote:Adam Himmelsbach @AdamHimmelsbach
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The Celtics' overflowing backcourt also factored into their decision to pass on Fultz, sources say.
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Translation: Fultz isn't better than Bradley, Jaylen, or Smart.

Rmbone,

I don't know if that's what this deal says at all.  Fultz may indeed become better than Bradley, Brown and Smart.

I think the translation may be "we need a SF."

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Post by Rmbone on Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:31 am

bobheckler wrote:
NYCelt wrote:Understandable that we would go for a package that would land us more top picks in coming years.  

Strange that this wasn't a draft night deal, however, selecting Fultz for the 76ers and then making the trade.  If anything, that's a position of higher leverage.

Now, we wait to see who LA takes or try to trade the 3rd pick.  Jackson, Tatum and Ball would all be good additions, no argument there, and we really need to add a small forward, so Jackson or Tatum would be a big boost.

But by itself, this deal leaves a lot of unanswered questions.  We've helped a division rival improve tremendously, and LA controls who we pick.  Far from Ainge's best work.

Unless there's more to come...


NYCelt,

Philly was going to be helped almost as much anyway, if this draft is as deep as you all have been saying.  "Deep" means the talent level from 1 to 3 isn't that much.  They gain a little on the difference, we lose a little on the difference but we gain another lottery pick


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Post by bobheckler on Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:32 am

NYCelt wrote:
Rmbone wrote:
bobheckler wrote:Adam Himmelsbach @AdamHimmelsbach
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The Celtics' overflowing backcourt also factored into their decision to pass on Fultz, sources say.
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Translation: Fultz isn't better than Bradley, Jaylen, or Smart.

Rmbone,

I don't know if that's what this deal says at all.  Fultz may indeed become better than Bradley, Brown and Smart.

I think the translation may be "we need a SF."

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NYCelt,

So then why not trade a guard or two and Crowder and sign Hayward.  Then we'd have Fultz and Hayward and the lesser guards and SFs would be gone for what/whomever?


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Post by steve3344 on Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:35 am

I notice the Markelle Fultz thread has been pretty quiet since last night.  Any particular reason for that?  Been taking a nap...

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Post by NYCelt on Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:41 am

bobheckler wrote:
NYCelt wrote:Understandable that we would go for a package that would land us more top picks in coming years.  

Strange that this wasn't a draft night deal, however, selecting Fultz for the 76ers and then making the trade.  If anything, that's a position of higher leverage.

Now, we wait to see who LA takes or try to trade the 3rd pick.  Jackson, Tatum and Ball would all be good additions, no argument there, and we really need to add a small forward, so Jackson or Tatum would be a big boost.

But by itself, this deal leaves a lot of unanswered questions.  We've helped a division rival improve tremendously, and LA controls who we pick.  Far from Ainge's best work.

Unless there's more to come...


NYCelt,

Philly was going to be helped almost as much anyway, if this draft is as deep as you all have been saying.  "Deep" means the talent level from 1 to 3 isn't that much.  They gain a little on the difference, we lose a little on the difference but we gain another lottery pick


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Bob,

I don't think Philly felt they were going to get as much help at 3 if they were looking for a guard and Fultz and Ball were both gone.  That's why they wanted to deal.  Several other excellent guards coming in this very deep draft, but not with the can't miss label of Fultz and Ball.  Ainge may have more up his sleeve, and that would explain this early swap.  If not, and we use the pick, he may have been able to get a little more by waiting.  The '18 and '19 picks we received both have variables attached.  I think giving up a first pick, the most valuable property in the league, should net a little more.

My read, anyway.  Although I'm very happy if we end up with Jackson or Tatum.  I've been saying right along that we need, and I would take, a SF, and we will have at least one of two excellent choices available.  Hard for me to be unhappy about that!

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Post by Rmbone on Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:43 am

bobheckler wrote:
Rmbone wrote:
bobheckler wrote:Adam Himmelsbach @AdamHimmelsbach
about 15 minutes ago
The Celtics' overflowing backcourt also factored into their decision to pass on Fultz, sources say.
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Translation: Fultz isn't better than Bradley, Jaylen, or Smart.


Rmbone,

That is how I read it also.  Or even Rozier.


bob


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I'm told in addition to this, Boston "had serious concerns about Fultz being a winner. Too many red flags there to pick him at #1."

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Post by NYCelt on Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:45 am

bobheckler wrote:
NYCelt wrote:
Rmbone wrote:
bobheckler wrote:Adam Himmelsbach @AdamHimmelsbach
about 15 minutes ago
The Celtics' overflowing backcourt also factored into their decision to pass on Fultz, sources say.
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bob


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Translation: Fultz isn't better than Bradley, Jaylen, or Smart.

Rmbone,

I don't know if that's what this deal says at all.  Fultz may indeed become better than Bradley, Brown and Smart.

I think the translation may be "we need a SF."

Regards

NYCelt,

So then why not trade a guard or two and Crowder and sign Hayward.  Then we'd have Fultz and Hayward and the lesser guards and SFs would be gone for what/whomever?


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Bob,

Because getting Hayward is not a sure thing.

Getting Jackson or Tatum is.

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Post by bobheckler on Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:55 am

Rmbone wrote:
bobheckler wrote:
Rmbone wrote:
bobheckler wrote:Adam Himmelsbach @AdamHimmelsbach
about 15 minutes ago
The Celtics' overflowing backcourt also factored into their decision to pass on Fultz, sources say.
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bob


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Translation: Fultz isn't better than Bradley, Jaylen, or Smart.


Rmbone,

That is how I read it also.  Or even Rozier.


bob


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Keith Smith Retweeted Adam Himmelsbach
I'm told in addition to this, Boston "had serious concerns about Fultz being a winner. Too many red flags there to pick him at #1."

Really seemed to go downhill in a hurry after Brad spoke to Fultz's guidance counselor about how Fultz learned and handled serbacks.


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Post by bobheckler on Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:57 am

Rmbone wrote:
bobheckler wrote:
NYCelt wrote:Understandable that we would go for a package that would land us more top picks in coming years.  

Strange that this wasn't a draft night deal, however, selecting Fultz for the 76ers and then making the trade.  If anything, that's a position of higher leverage.

Now, we wait to see who LA takes or try to trade the 3rd pick.  Jackson, Tatum and Ball would all be good additions, no argument there, and we really need to add a small forward, so Jackson or Tatum would be a big boost.

But by itself, this deal leaves a lot of unanswered questions.  We've helped a division rival improve tremendously, and LA controls who we pick.  Far from Ainge's best work.

Unless there's more to come...


NYCelt,

Philly was going to be helped almost as much anyway, if this draft is as deep as you all have been saying.  "Deep" means the talent level from 1 to 3 isn't that much.  They gain a little on the difference, we lose a little on the difference but we gain another lottery pick


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Post by steve3344 on Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:06 am

Funny comment to article below:

"In related news, the Sixers announced that Fultz would suffer a season-ending injury sometime around October and the team would go 21-61 to secure another high lottery pick. Trust the Process."


https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sources-76ers-advanced-talks-acquire-no-1-pick-take-markelle-fultz-215225362.html

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Post by RosalieTCeltics on Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:22 am

Steve very funny but no unbelievable. These last few years have been disgusting the way they played. I know Emblid got hurt and then Simmons, but they have been in the lottery too often. Other teams have to be steaming about this. In the end, they will either screw it up or win big.

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