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Post by Rmbone on Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:57 pm

112288 wrote:They will stash him in Europe for a year.

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Nope. Better chance of squeezing into Celtics starting lineup than being stashed in Europe.

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Post by NYCelt on Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:43 am

Rambone,

I shouldn't, but I can't resist...

So Coach K is wrong about his own player and where he'll play in the NBA and Ojeleye is in better position to earn minutes than Tatum?  The same Tatum widely considered to be the most NBA ready player in the draft?  

I won't even go into several other points because I would be here all night, but one more:  Ojeleye, who has yet to step on the floor in an NBA game, is a better shooter than Crowder?  It could always turn out that way, but we say this without even one NBA game?  I mean, Crowder has played against NBA defenses and Ojeleye has not, right?

Perhaps you might consider adding three simple words when you make statements like these; "in my opinion."
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Post by Rmbone on Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:57 am

NYCelt wrote:Rambone,

I shouldn't, but I can't resist...

So Coach K is wrong about his own player and where he'll play in the NBA and Ojeleye is in better position to earn minutes than Tatum?  The same Tatum widely considered to be the most NBA ready player in the draft?  

I won't even go into several other points because I would be here all night, but one more:  Ojeleye, who has yet to step on the floor in an NBA game, is a better shooter than Crowder?  It could always turn out that way, but we say this without even one NBA game?  I mean, Crowder has played against NBA defenses and Ojeleye has not, right?

Perhaps you might consider adding three simple words when you make statements like these; "in my opinion."

At the very least, Ojeleye is miles ahead of Crowder in his outside shooting at the same age. If Crowder played college ball this year, his shot chart would probably look like this:


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Post by cowens/oldschool on Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:01 am

NYCelt wrote:Rambone,

I shouldn't, but I can't resist...

So Coach K is wrong about his own player and where he'll play in the NBA and Ojeleye is in better position to earn minutes than Tatum?  The same Tatum widely considered to be the most NBA ready player in the draft?  

I won't even go into several other points because I would be here all night, but one more:  Ojeleye, who has yet to step on the floor in an NBA game, is a better shooter than Crowder?  It could always turn out that way, but we say this without even one NBA game?  I mean, Crowder has played against NBA defenses and Ojeleye has not, right?

Perhaps you might consider adding three simple words when you make statements like these; "in my opinion."


Lol I was going to chime in, but you said what I would have.....rambone does know the game, but he also can go off on the deep end, like calling KO our best player and BS doesn't know the game because he doesn't give him enough minutes, etc, etc.
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Re: Semi Ojeleye

Post by jrleftfoot on Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:07 am

Rmbone wrote:
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kdp59 wrote:Interesting that some here think Semi will make the roster over Yabusele.

is that because of Yabusele's injury or because you think Semi is the better player?

Since Yabusele was drafted at #16 last year, one would think HE is the better player.


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I think Semi is a much better player than Yabusele, especially given the similar role both would be expected to fill.

This years draft was miles deeper than last year, which is why I'm kind of ignoring last year's #16 pick.  I was floored we picked Yabusele that high last year, and thought it was a total roll of the dice and way too much of a reach.  In this year's draft, I'm not sure he gets taken at all.

That being said, I think Semi will have an extremely tough time sticking with the Celtics this year as well.  He's got potential as a combo-type forward, but has never played SF in a game for SMU.  His defensive game is also merely adequate, to below-average at times.  He's a good athlete however, and is a very worthwhile project. If he can add a just a few needed skills at both ends, he could be a steal.  He should be a good G-League player this year. One caution; there has been some concern expressed about a possible weight issue.  After playing in the low to mid 230 range, and being measured with an incredibly low body fat %, his last weigh-in had him at 241 lbs.  Hopefully, getting some run this summer knocks that back.

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Tatum and Josh Jackson played purely PF as well, that doesn't mean anything. Ojeleye posted the 3rd fastest agility time at the NBA Combine, behind only a couple guys who weighed 190 lbs or less: http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/2017/NBA+Draft+Combine/all/all/1/lane_agility/asc

He also had one of the very fastest sprint times, and one of the very best vertical leaps. The best athlete in the draft.
And while he weighed 241 lbs, they also measured his body fat, and it was one of the very lowest at the Combine, 5.5%.

There's no damn weight issue. That would be Yabusele.

I said it before but Ojeleye might be better than Tatum next year, and might even be better long term. Don't bet on him toiling away in the GLeague just because he fell to the 2nd round.

As far as Jordan Mickey, I'll bet anybody here that he won't be on the roster this year, just like he had no business being on the roster last year.

Ojeleye was an amazing get for us at that spot, and that will become clear in no time. We absolutely should not have just drafted a big man with that pick, because Zizic is absolutely the real deal, much better than Bryant or Hartenstein, and we already have Horford and Zeller is under contract, and we might even bring back Olynyk.

Ojeleye is a more athletic Jae Crowder, and might be a better shooter right now too. Ojeleye is quite possibly more valuable than Avery Bradley right now, and quite possibly more valuable to winning actual games than Jayson Tatum.

With an offensive virtuoso like Isaiah Thomas on the team, the most effective players next to him aren't ball dominant sub-par defenders like Tatum, it's tough 3 and D guys who can just knock down shots and defend physically. Ojeleye is an absolutely perfect fit. He might even be the team's best 3 point shooter right now, in addition to being our best athlete. Even more athletic than Jaylen Brown because of his 15 pound muscle advantage.

This draft was crazy deep, and luckily we got an amazing first round talent with that 37th pick.

Hope you are right. I like Semis 3point stroke more than Yabu`s , from the vids I`ve seen. He also seems quicker to the ball.
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Post by Rmbone on Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:27 am

Here's a crazy small ball lineup:

Smart/Jaylen/Tatum/Jae/Semi.

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Post by dboss on Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:39 am

There are very similar characteristics between Jae and Semi.

Yesterday I  was reviewing Jae's predraft profile to compare the two of them.  There are some differences.

Jae was drafted at 34 and was listed as a sf/pf at 241 lbs.

Based on their college profiles, Semi is the better athlete and the better long distance shooter.  They actually have very similar looking jump shots.

Semi is the new and improved Jae Crowder.  Let's see what he can do against NBA

competition.  

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Re: Semi Ojeleye

Post by cowens/oldschool on Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:22 am



have to see how it all translates at the next level, but he looks way faster than Jae Crowder, reminds me a little of Paul Pierce, and have to see if hes closer to 6'6 or 6'8, but he also reminds me of Draymond Green, either way he looks really good.
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Re: Semi Ojeleye

Post by wideclyde on Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:31 am

We all hope that every guy Danny Ainge drafts turns into a super star type player, or at least a quality rotation player who can help us get closer to #18.

But, when reality sets in, most second round draft picks are picked in the second round for various reasons and also end up with the same type of end result as the other second round picks which means that they get the chance to show themselves and the have to settle for basketball elsewhere and not in any team's rotation.

For a while, I will hope that Ojeleye can be one of the few who can make a difference just like I hoped that Jordan Mickey would really help us.

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Re: Semi Ojeleye

Post by bobheckler on Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:35 am



Watched the video of game film.

This kid is not ready.

I realize that it is possible the person who put together the video might be crafting it to fit a specific narrative (i.e. he decides he doesn't like Semi, so he puts together a montage of film where he looks bad) but he looks very raw.

He has very good dribbling skills for a 6'7", 240#er. He lacks good judgment. Lots of really bad shot selections in that video. Unless he's the Russell Westbrook of the NCAA I don't see how he could offset all those awful shots with enough good ones to make him look good.

We'll see, but that video doesn't help make his case for him.


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Re: Semi Ojeleye

Post by Rmbone on Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:01 pm

bobheckler wrote:


Watched the video of game film.

This kid is not ready.

I realize that it is possible the person who put together the video might be crafting it to fit a specific narrative (i.e. he decides he doesn't like Semi, so he puts together a montage of film where he looks bad) but he looks very raw.  

He has very good dribbling skills for a 6'7", 240#er.  He lacks good judgment.  Lots of really bad shot selections in that video.  Unless he's the Russell Westbrook of the NCAA I don't see how he could offset all those awful shots with enough good ones to make him look good.

We'll see, but that video doesn't help make his case for him.


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That was a "weaknesses" video, designed to highlight areas in need of improvement. He was an incredibly efficient scorer, much much moreso than Westbrook. Don't let a Weaknesses video make you think he's inefficient.

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Re: Semi Ojeleye

Post by red16russ11 on Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:14 pm

Believe me, I hope this kid is a stud. But can't see him better than Tatum at this point, long term.
I do hope Crowder is the victim of a "crowded" SF spot. If I see him take a pull up 3 in transition one more time I'm going to need a new TV
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Post by jrleftfoot on Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:35 pm

Crowder shot 39.8 from 3 for the season . Slipped to 34.4 in the playoffs. A little banged up, I think.
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Post by dboss on Sun Jun 25, 2017 3:03 pm

bobheckler wrote:


Watched the video of game film.

This kid is not ready.

I realize that it is possible the person who put together the video might be crafting it to fit a specific narrative (i.e. he decides he doesn't like Semi, so he puts together a montage of film where he looks bad) but he looks very raw.  

He has very good dribbling skills for a 6'7", 240#er.  He lacks good judgment.  Lots of really bad shot selections in that video.  Unless he's the Russell Westbrook of the NCAA I don't see how he could offset all those awful shots with enough good ones to make him look good.

We'll see, but that video doesn't help make his case for him.


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I said we have to see how he plays.  But he did shoot 42% from deep.  He has a stud physique.  He is really quite similar to Crowder but he was a better shooter than Crowder in college and has more hops.

Danny was sitting there at his pro day checking him out.  

If you look at the numbers he shot the ball better than JB, Tatum and Crowder in college.

Danny passed on the center Bryant because he knows this kid can shoot.

I really like the pick because we really need good shooters.  

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Post by bobheckler on Sun Jun 25, 2017 3:13 pm

dboss wrote:
bobheckler wrote:


Watched the video of game film.

This kid is not ready.

I realize that it is possible the person who put together the video might be crafting it to fit a specific narrative (i.e. he decides he doesn't like Semi, so he puts together a montage of film where he looks bad) but he looks very raw.  

He has very good dribbling skills for a 6'7", 240#er.  He lacks good judgment.  Lots of really bad shot selections in that video.  Unless he's the Russell Westbrook of the NCAA I don't see how he could offset all those awful shots with enough good ones to make him look good.

We'll see, but that video doesn't help make his case for him.


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I said we have to see how he plays.  But he did shoot 42% from deep.  He has a stud physique.  He is really quite similar to Crowder but he was a better shooter than Crowder in college and has more hops.

Danny was sitting there at his pro day checking him out.  

If you look at the numbers he shot the ball better than JB, Tatum and Crowder in college.

Danny passed on the center Bryant because he knows this kid can shoot.

I really like the pick because we really need good shooters.  

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dboss,

I hope you're right, I surely do, I'm just getting a bit nervous about our Bigs situation.  Our frontline was limited (Amir) or finesse (Horford and Olynyk) and not particularly long or wide.  Griffin is a banger but he isn't long ( 6'11 1/2" wingspan on a 6'10" body.  Not alligator-armed, but not really long neither).  We have Zizic coming in, for some beef and banging, but we still don't have length (which is why I was Cheerleader-in-chief for Porzingis.  He would have given us both).

Maybe this kid can replace Crowder, maybe, but not for a few years.  Unless you are Magic or Bird or such it takes a few years.  So, unless we get Hayward and/or George we can't trade Crowder and, by the time Semi is ready to play NBA 3 on a good team that is competing to play in the finals, so will Jaylen and Jayson.


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Post by red16russ11 on Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:12 pm

jrleftfoot wrote:Crowder shot 39.8 from 3 for the season . Slipped to 34.4 in the playoffs. A little banged up, I think.

It's not the percentage, it's the timing of the shots. WAS was on an 8-0 run, and Crowder took a 3 in transition, long rebound, and now WAS makes it a 10-0 run........not very smart in his shot selection is what I'm saying
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Post by jrleftfoot on Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:57 pm

That`s one example. Everyone has their own perspective, red16russ11. I obviously value Crowder more than you do, unless you were just venting, which is our right as fans.
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Post by red16russ11 on Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:50 pm

jrleftfoot wrote:That`s one example. Everyone has their own perspective, red16russ11. I obviously value Crowder more than you do, unless you were just venting, which is our right as fans.

There are plenty of other examples. I would like Crowder as a bench player. As a guy we can COUNT on late in the game, no thank you. If we sign George or Hayward, I think I will get my wish.
Jae Crowder, coming off the bench, is ideal for next years team.
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Post by bobheckler on Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:02 pm

I try not to make projections, but get caught up like everybody else, so I'll make one now:

I predict Semi will not sign a Boston Celtic NBA contract this year.  He will either sign one of those new two-way contracts or he will sign a normal G-League contract or he will play overseas.  If a young SF is given a shot at an NBA contract it will be Abdel Nader.  My reasons are as follow:

1.  He already knows Brad's playbook.
2.  He has some fame being G-League Co-MVP.

I predict Nader will be given a Chris Johnson/Jordan Mickey/Demetrius Jackson type contract, 3 one-year contracts with team options.  That way he is locked up for 3 years for cheap if we like him (and 3 years gives us Bird Rights) or we can cut him loose at the end of any year (or can trade his expiring contract) if we don't. It also sends a good message to players like Kadeem Allen and Jabari Bird.  Play in Maine, if that is where Danny wants them, and you can be in line for a reward next year.


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Post by swish on Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:42 pm

All this ink about the little fish in the pond ( when the Celts are in a position to challenge for a ring ). I'll bet that Danny is more interested in trolling for a couple of lunkers that could put the Celts over the top. Go get them Danny.

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Post by red16russ11 on Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:51 pm

My guess is that after the team is better assembled that a roster spot will come down to Semi or Nader. One will make the team, the one who plays better in SL and pre-season, and one will be trade fodder. I say that because I think they both have value, and, as bob pointed out, are both on cheap deals. With the decreasing salary cap, many teams will be looking for solid player on cheap deals to fill out their bench. And here we have about FOUR - Jackson, Allen, Nader and Ojeleye.
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Post by bobheckler on Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:56 pm

swish wrote:All this ink about the little fish in the pond ( when the Celts are in a position to challenge for a ring ). I'll bet that Danny is more interested in trolling for a couple of lunkers that could put the Celts over the top. Go get them Danny.

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Jimmy Butler was the #30 pick.  Kawhi Leonard was #14.  DeAndre Jordan and 2x World Champion Draymond Green where 2nd round picks.  As was 5x All League and 4x Champion Tony Parker and 4x All-League and 4x Champion Manu Ginobili.  All little fish in the pond on draft day.  The smart money says they won't amount to much but this isn't an exacting and precise science, which means it is about odds, and that means the the smart money is occasionally wrong.


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Post by Rmbone on Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:18 pm

Our two most valuable players were 2nd rounders, Crowder and IT4.

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Post by swish on Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:22 pm

bobheckler wrote:
swish wrote:All this ink about the little fish in the pond ( when the Celts are in a position to challenge for a ring ). I'll bet that Danny is more interested in trolling for a couple of lunkers that could put the Celts over the top. Go get them Danny.

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Swish,

Jimmy Butler was the #30 pick.  Kawhi Leonard was #14.  DeAndre Jordan and 2x World Champion Draymond Green where 2nd round picks.  As was 5x All League and 4x Champion Tony Parker and 4x All-League and 4x Champion Manu Ginobili.  All little fish in the pond on draft day.  The smart money says they won't amount to much but this isn't an exacting and precise science, which means it is about odds, and that means the the smart money is occasionally wrong.


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"smart money is occasionally wrong."

The key word - "Occasionally"


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