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Post by 112288 on Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:44 pm

Report: Celtics extend qualifying offer to Kelly Olynyk

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The door isn't completely shut on Kelly Olynyk's time with the Celtics

The C's have reportedly extended a qualifying offer to Olynyk, according to Adam Himmelsbach of the Boston Globe, making the 26-year-old a restricted free agent.

As a restricted free agent, the Celtics can match any offer for Olynyk. They can also rescind the offer at any time as long as Olynyk doesn't accept the offer first.

Until the C's renounce his rights, he counts for $7.7 million against the cap.

Olynyk, 26, averaged nine points and 4.8 rebounds last season, and had a memorable 10-for-14 shooting performance off the bench when he scored 26 points in the second-round series clincher over Washington at TD Garden.

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Post by Rmbone on Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:54 pm

Thank goodness. Olynyk at 15 million brings more value to the team than Hayward at 30 million.

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Post by 112288 on Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:20 pm

You are joking aren't you?

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Post by cowens/oldschool on Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:23 pm

He gets delusional sometimes
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Post by worcester on Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:17 am

Would Hayward produce 18 points and 9.6 rebounds per game for $30M? If so his value would match Kelly's at 9 points and 4.8 rebounds.
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Post by Rmbone on Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:58 am

worcester wrote:Would Hayward produce 18 points and 9.6 rebounds per game for $30M? If so his value would match Kelly's at 9 points and 4.8 rebounds.

Hayward's grabbed a career high 5.4 rebounds per game last year, and 21.9 ppg. In Boston he'd get less shots, and duplicate the overall two way impact of Jae Crowder. Olynyk would fill an actual need at PF, as opposed to being redundant at our deepest position, SF.

And if you thought Crowder was bad defensively against LeBron, wait until you see Hayward try to guard him.

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Post by fierce on Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:38 am

Rmbone wrote:
worcester wrote:Would Hayward produce 18 points and 9.6 rebounds per game for $30M? If so his value would match Kelly's at 9 points and 4.8 rebounds.

Hayward's grabbed a career high 5.4 rebounds per game last year, and 21.9 ppg. In Boston he'd get less shots, and duplicate the overall two way impact of Jae Crowder. Olynyk would fill an actual need at PF, as opposed to being redundant at our deepest position, SF.

And if you thought Crowder was bad defensively against LeBron, wait until you see Hayward try to guard him.

Lebron's the 1st player to average a triple-double in the NBA Finals.

His averages were 33.6 ppg, 12.0 rpg, and 10.0 apg.

And the Cavs almost got swept.


Lebron is unguardable.

You're seeing things that are not there if you truly believe that Olynyk + Crowder is greater than Gordon Hayward.

I love Kelly-O.
He's one of my favorite Celtics.
But there's a reason why the Jazz, Heat, and Celtics are all willing to pay Hayward 30m per year.

In the NBA, star players win championships.

This year it has been proven that 4 star players cannot be beaten.
Not even Lebron and Kyrie could match the Warriors' firepower.
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Post by fierce on Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:44 am

Why did the Rockets trade their starting PG, Beverly, when he's one of the best defensive guards in the NBA?

The Rockets traded role players and above average players for one star player, Chris Paul.

In the NBA, it's not about quantity, it's about quality.

Sure Crowder will give you this, give you that, but Crowder will never have the same impact as Gordon Hayward.

NBA teams are not stupid.

If Crowder is so good, why will the Celts trade for Paul George, a SF, and give Hayward, another SF, 30m per year?
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Post by cowens/oldschool on Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:55 am

you need great players to go at great players, nobody stops Lebron, but if you have a superstar like prime time Paul Pierce going at him for 30, you can be in a position to win.
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Post by cowens/oldschool on Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:57 am

fierce wrote:
Rmbone wrote:
worcester wrote:Would Hayward produce 18 points and 9.6 rebounds per game for $30M? If so his value would match Kelly's at 9 points and 4.8 rebounds.

Hayward's grabbed a career high 5.4 rebounds per game last year, and 21.9 ppg. In Boston he'd get less shots, and duplicate the overall two way impact of Jae Crowder. Olynyk would fill an actual need at PF, as opposed to being redundant at our deepest position, SF.

And if you thought Crowder was bad defensively against LeBron, wait until you see Hayward try to guard him.

Lebron's the 1st player to average a triple-double in the NBA Finals.

His averages were 33.6 ppg, 12.0 rpg, and 10.0 apg.

And the Cavs almost got swept.


Lebron is unguardable.

You're seeing things that are not there if you truly believe that Olynyk + Crowder is greater than Gordon Hayward.

I love Kelly-O.
He's one of my favorite Celtics.
But there's a reason why the Jazz, Heat, and Celtics are all willing to pay Hayward 30m per year.

In the NBA, star players win championships.

This year it has been proven that 4 star players cannot be beaten.
Not even Lebron and Kyrie could match the Warriors' firepower.


Kevin Love sure showed he can't carry the load in playoff basketball.
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Post by fierce on Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:01 am

cowens/oldschool wrote:you need great players to go at great players, nobody stops Lebron, but if you have a superstar like prime time Paul Pierce going at him for 30, you can be in a position to win.

Totally agree.

Remember Game 7 Cavs vs. Celtics in the 2008 east semis?

Lebron had 45 points.

If the Celts had Jae Crowder and Crowder only scored 25 points, there would have been no Banner 17 as the Celts would have lost to the Cavs.

Celts won that game because Paul Pierce came up big with 41 points.
That negated Lebron's 45 points.
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Post by Rmbone on Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:00 am

"You're seeing things that are not there if you truly believe that Olynyk + Crowder is greater than Gordon Hayward."

The equation would be Olynyk + Crowder + 15 million in cap space + long-term flexibility + plenty of minutes for Jayson Tatum, Ojeleye, and Jaylen Brown.


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Post by fierce on Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:11 am

Rmbone wrote:"You're seeing things that are not there if you truly believe that Olynyk + Crowder is greater than Gordon Hayward."

The equation would be Olynyk + Crowder + 15 million in cap space + long-term flexibility + plenty of minutes for Jayson Tatum, Ojeleye, and Jaylen Brown.


That mindset is for a rebuilding team years away from contention.

Right now the Celts are closer and closer to beating the Cavs and getting to the Finals.

The Cavs are on the verge of imploding.

If the Celts get Paul George and Hayward, the Celts will be legitimate contenders next season.
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Post by fierce on Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:14 am

The objective is to win a championship.

Not long-term flexibility, not plenty of minutes for rookies.

Long-term flexibility is only for small teams that can't afford to pay luxury tax.

We're not talking about the Memphis Grizzlies here.
The Boston Celtics can afford to pay luxury tax.
Just like the Warriors can afford to pay luxury tax.

The long-term or the future is NOW!
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Post by 112288 on Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:44 am

fierce wrote:
cowens/oldschool wrote:you need great players to go at great players, nobody stops Lebron, but if you have a superstar like prime time Paul Pierce going at him for 30, you can be in a position to win.

Totally agree.

Remember Game 7 Cavs vs. Celtics in the 2008 east semis?

Lebron had 45 points.

If the Celts had Jae Crowder and Crowder only scored 25 points, there would have been no Banner 17 as the Celts would have lost to the Cavs.

Celts won that game because Paul Pierce came up big with 41 points.
That negated Lebron's 45 points.

Pierce had 41 points that night! LeBron could not guard Pierce. We are stuck in a period in basketball that does not permit physical basketball and is lacking the physical players. LeBron would be put on his ass night in and night out if Malone, Shacq and other physical players were still playing the game in their prime.

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Post by 112288 on Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:46 am

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fierce wrote:
cowens/oldschool wrote:you need great players to go at great players, nobody stops Lebron, but if you have a superstar like prime time Paul Pierce going at him for 30, you can be in a position to win.

Totally agree.

Remember Game 7 Cavs vs. Celtics in the 2008 east semis?

Lebron had 45 points.

If the Celts had Jae Crowder and Crowder only scored 25 points, there would have been no Banner 17 as the Celts would have lost to the Cavs.

Celts won that game because Paul Pierce came up big with 41 points.
That negated Lebron's 45 points.

Pierce had 41 points that afternoon!  LeBron could not guard Pierce.  We are stuck in a period in basketball that does not permit physical basketball and is lacking the physical players.   LeBron would be put on his ass night in and night out if Malone, Shacq and other physical players were still playing the game in their prime. He would be thinking twice about bull rushing into the lane on every play. besides the NBA allows him to drop his shoulder to perform his move ...what is this football???????!!!!!!!

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Post by fierce on Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:49 am

112288 wrote:
fierce wrote:
cowens/oldschool wrote:you need great players to go at great players, nobody stops Lebron, but if you have a superstar like prime time Paul Pierce going at him for 30, you can be in a position to win.

Totally agree.

Remember Game 7 Cavs vs. Celtics in the 2008 east semis?

Lebron had 45 points.

If the Celts had Jae Crowder and Crowder only scored 25 points, there would have been no Banner 17 as the Celts would have lost to the Cavs.

Celts won that game because Paul Pierce came up big with 41 points.
That negated Lebron's 45 points.

Pierce had 41 points that night!  LeBron could not guard Pierce.  We are stuck in a period in basketball that does not permit physical basketball and is lacking the physical players.   LeBron would be put on his ass night in and night out if Malone, Shacq and other physical players were still playing the game in their prime.

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The mid-1990s had the Knicks of Ewing and Oakley playing physical basketball and teams would only score 90 points per game.
It was boring.
That's why the league changed the rules to lessen physical basketball.

You have to admit, whether you're a Warriors fan or not, their brand of basketball is fun to watch.
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Post by Rmbone on Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:56 am

fierce wrote:The objective is to win a championship.

Not long-term flexibility, not plenty of minutes for rookies.

Long-term flexibility is only for small teams that can't afford to pay luxury tax.

We're not talking about the Memphis Grizzlies here.
The Boston Celtics can afford to pay luxury tax.
Just like the Warriors can afford to pay luxury tax.

The long-term or the future is NOW!

If Bill Belichick had that attitude the Patriots wouldn't be perennial Super Bowl contenders. Every team in the NBA has that mentality, NOW NOW NOW. DON'T TRADE KG AND PIERCE TO BROOKLYN! TRADE ALL THE BROOKLYN PICKS FOR KEVIN LOVE! TRADE FOR JOSH SMITH AND GIVE RONDO A MAX CONTRACT!!! DRAFT BUDDY HIELD OR KRIS DUNN, NOT THE 19 YEAR OLD JAYLEN BROWN!! TRADE ALL THE PICKS FOR PAUL GEORGE!!

It's long-term strategic thinking and impulse control. We're in perfect position to assemble a team that is a top contender every year for 10+ years. And even if Danny assembled a "superteam" full of small forwards, and even if we DID beat the Cavs, look at how the Cavs played against the Warriors. They got steamrolled.

You gotta know when to hold em, know when to fold em. One more year of being a top 2 seed in the east and making it to the ECF again isn't going to be the end of the world, and it will be MUCH better for our long-term future. It might even attract a LeBron James to Boston next summer, to go along with Michael Porter Jr. Now THAT's a SF combination I can get behind, and it wouldn't cost all our assets, or even all our cap space flexibility.





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Post by Rmbone on Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:09 am

Take a look at Daryl Morey, who the media always fawns over. He's never won sh#t, and he's trading off all his future draft picks, along with all his team's depth. That guy doesn't know anything about drafting or winning, he only knows about assembling talent.

Now next year he'll have to sign a 33 year old Chris Paul to a 4-5 year supermax contract, with an over the hill Ryan Anderson making 20 million or whatever.

Morey put together a decent regular season last year, and it saved his job, but what else did it accomplish? Now teams are demanding 2 first round picks just to take Ryan Anderson off his hands. And CP3 and Harden will fit together about as well as Dwight Howard and Harden, or Westbrook and Harden.

But Morey gets his media attention, and casual fans wish they had a GM with the "guts" of Morey.


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Post by fierce on Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:09 am

Rmbone wrote:
fierce wrote:The objective is to win a championship.

Not long-term flexibility, not plenty of minutes for rookies.

Long-term flexibility is only for small teams that can't afford to pay luxury tax.

We're not talking about the Memphis Grizzlies here.
The Boston Celtics can afford to pay luxury tax.
Just like the Warriors can afford to pay luxury tax.

The long-term or the future is NOW!

If Bill Belichick had that attitude the Patriots wouldn't be perennial Super Bowl contenders. Every team in the NBA has that mentality, NOW NOW NOW. DON'T TRADE KG AND PIERCE TO BROOKLYN! TRADE ALL THE BROOKLYN PICKS FOR KEVIN LOVE! TRADE FOR JOSH SMITH AND GIVE RONDO A MAX CONTRACT!!!  DRAFT BUDDY HIELD OR KRIS DUNN, NOT THE 19 YEAR OLD JAYLEN BROWN!! TRADE ALL THE PICKS FOR PAUL GEORGE!!

It's long-term strategic thinking and impulse control. We're in perfect position to assemble a team that is a top contender every year for 10+ years. And even if Danny assembled a "superteam" full of small forwards, and even if we DID beat the Cavs, look at how the Cavs played against the Warriors. They got steamrolled.

You gotta know when to hold em, know when to fold em. One more year of being a top 2 seed in the east and making it to the ECF again isn't going to be the end of the world, and it will be MUCH better for our long-term future. It might even attract a LeBron James to Boston next summer, to go along with Michael Porter Jr. Now THAT's a SF combination I can get behind, and it wouldn't cost all our assets, or even all our cap space flexibility.





You can't compare the NFL with the NBA.

The NBA has a soft cap, the NFL doesn't.

We can argue all night long because it's a difference of opinion.

But here's the thing, if what you're saying is the right move, why isn't Ainge following what you want?

Why is Ainge willing to spend 30m per year on Hayward instead of Crowder + Olynyk + 15 million in cap space + long-term flexibility + plenty of minutes for Jayson Tatum, Ojeleye, and Jaylen Brown?
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Post by fierce on Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:12 am

Rmbone wrote:Take a look at Daryl Morey, who the media always fawns over. He's never won sh#t, and he's trading off all his future draft picks, along with all his team's depth. That guy doesn't know anything about drafting or winning, he only knows about assembling talent.

Now next year he'll have to sign a 33 year old Chris Paul to a 4-5 year supermax contract, with an over the hill Ryan Anderson making 20 million or whatever.

Morey put together a decent regular season last year, and it saved his job, but what else did it accomplish? Now teams are demanding 2 first round picks just to take Ryan Anderson off his hands. And CP3 and Harden will fit together about as well as Dwight Howard and Harden, or Westbrook and Harden.

But Morey gets his media attention, and casual fans wish they had a GM with the "guts" of Morey.


But Ainge is not Morey.

Ainge joined the Celts front office in 2003 and the Celts won a championship in 2008.
And when KG and Pierce got old, Ainge fleeced the Nets.

Clearly Ainge is one of the best execs in the NBA right now.
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Post by gyso on Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:26 am

fierce wrote:
Rmbone wrote:Take a look at Daryl Morey, who the media always fawns over. He's never won sh#t, and he's trading off all his future draft picks, along with all his team's depth. That guy doesn't know anything about drafting or winning, he only knows about assembling talent.

Now next year he'll have to sign a 33 year old Chris Paul to a 4-5 year supermax contract, with an over the hill Ryan Anderson making 20 million or whatever.

Morey put together a decent regular season last year, and it saved his job, but what else did it accomplish? Now teams are demanding 2 first round picks just to take Ryan Anderson off his hands. And CP3 and Harden will fit together about as well as Dwight Howard and Harden, or Westbrook and Harden.

But Morey gets his media attention, and casual fans wish they had a GM with the "guts" of Morey.


But Ainge is not Morey.

Ainge joined the Celts front office in 2003 and the Celts won a championship in 2008.
And when KG and Pierce got old, Ainge fleeced the Nets.

Clearly Ainge is one of the best execs in the NBA right now.

I think that you both can agree that Danny Ainge >>>>>>>> Daryl Morey.

Hopefully, in less than one more week, Danny will provide more proof to that statement.

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Post by fierce on Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:28 am

gyso wrote:
fierce wrote:
Rmbone wrote:Take a look at Daryl Morey, who the media always fawns over. He's never won sh#t, and he's trading off all his future draft picks, along with all his team's depth. That guy doesn't know anything about drafting or winning, he only knows about assembling talent.

Now next year he'll have to sign a 33 year old Chris Paul to a 4-5 year supermax contract, with an over the hill Ryan Anderson making 20 million or whatever.

Morey put together a decent regular season last year, and it saved his job, but what else did it accomplish? Now teams are demanding 2 first round picks just to take Ryan Anderson off his hands. And CP3 and Harden will fit together about as well as Dwight Howard and Harden, or Westbrook and Harden.

But Morey gets his media attention, and casual fans wish they had a GM with the "guts" of Morey.


But Ainge is not Morey.

Ainge joined the Celts front office in 2003 and the Celts won a championship in 2008.
And when KG and Pierce got old, Ainge fleeced the Nets.

Clearly Ainge is one of the best execs in the NBA right now.

I think that you both can agree that Danny Ainge >>>>>>>> Daryl Morey.  

Hopefully, in less than one more week, Danny will provide more proof to that statement.

100% agree.

I don't think it will take that long, I think in a couple of days, Celts will have 2 star players to add to IT and Horford.
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Post by fierce on Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:30 am

Getting George is not the difficult part.
It's giving George an extension that's going to be the hardest.
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Post by kdp59 on Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:41 am

and I opened this thread thinking it was about Kelly O.


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