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Post by swish on Sat Jul 22, 2017 8:07 pm

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swish wrote:I'm from Missouri on that one.

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Post by swish on Sat Jul 22, 2017 8:50 pm

I get the impression that some posters on this board view the IRVING ISSUE as a given that the Cavs will trade him - some for pennies on the dollar. Tell me why.

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Post by RosalieTCeltics on Sun Jul 23, 2017 4:09 pm

Talk about disfunction. It never ceases to amaze me how Owners continually shoot themselves in the foot when it comes to their star players. Letting Griffin go was the beginning of the end for these Cavs as we knew them. I cannot imagine the level of arrogance that these guys have. Give them money and watch them play like the NBA is a board game or a game of 5 card stud.

It will serve the Cavs right whatever happens to them. I truly cannot blame
Irving. Following in LeBron's foot steps has got to be a nightmare. No matter how well Irving played, it was LeBrons team, period. Now it has really hit the fan and they have to find a way out of this mess. I know he is under contract for 2 more years but they have to do sometime.

I am not in the Irving fan club, let him go to the Spurs. We will be fine without him. What a mess!!

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Post by swish on Sun Jul 23, 2017 4:29 pm

RosalieTCeltics wrote:Talk about disfunction. It never ceases to amaze me how Owners continually shoot themselves in the foot when it comes to their star players.  Letting Griffin go was the beginning of the end for these Cavs as we knew them.  I cannot imagine the level of arrogance that these guys have. Give them money and watch them play like the NBA is a board game or a game of 5 card stud.

It will serve the Cavs right whatever happens to them.  I truly cannot  blame
Irving.  Following in LeBron's foot steps has got to be a  nightmare. No matter how well Irving played, it was LeBrons team, period.  Now it has really hit the fan and they have to find a way out of this mess. I know he is under contract for 2 more years but they have to do sometime.

I am not in the Irving fan club, let him go to the Spurs. We will be fine without him.  What a mess!!

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How about keeping him - and telling him he can walk away in 2 years if wants to.

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Post by RosalieTCeltics on Sun Jul 23, 2017 5:36 pm

Sounds good to me. Too much of this stuff is happening. We will look like the Wild Wild West pretty soon. I know they have certain talents and a small amount of time to use those, but someone has to put their food down and say no owner or later.
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Post by worcester on Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:27 pm

I am with you Swish. Tell Kyrie to play in Cleveland up to his ability or diminish his own contract value two years hence. Not our problem.
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Post by wideclyde on Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:34 pm

Swish,

I think that if all that has been written about Irving no longer wanting to play second fiddle to Lebron James in Cleveland is true, King James will work behind the scenes to have Irving (beheaded?) moved.

Mid evil kings worked in mysterious (and, sometimes with no mystery at all) ways to keep their kingdom operating the way they wanted it.  I know that we do not have anywhere near as many kings these days, but one still plays in Cleveland.


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Post by fierce on Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:35 pm

worcester wrote:I am with you Swish. Tell Kyrie to play in Cleveland up to his ability or diminish his own contract value two years hence. Not our problem.

Definitely.

Cavs are on the decline anyway.


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Post by worcester on Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:37 pm

And we are on the rise. Plus we have two lottery picks next yer in all likelihood. Gotta love Danny's strategic mind. He learned from Red's mistakes (few as they were).
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Post by fierce on Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:41 pm

worcester wrote:And we are on the rise. Plus we have two lottery picks next yer in all likelihood. Gotta love Danny's strategic mind. He learned from Red's mistakes (few as they were).

Not just lottery picks, those picks could be #1 and #2.

Imagine if that happened.
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Post by swish on Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:43 pm

wideclyde wrote:Swish,

I think that if all that has been written about Irving no longer wanting to play second fiddle to Lebron James in Cleveland is true, King James will work behind the scenes to have Irving (beheaded?) moved.

Mid evil kings worked in mysterious (and, sometimes with no mystery at all) ways to keep their kingdom operating the way they wanted it.  I know that we do not have anywhere near as many kings these days, but one still plays in Cleveland.
wideclyde,

And it's about time that Irving understood that the Cavs reached the heights that they have, is because of the KING.

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Post by worcester on Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:43 pm

I am putting my creative imagination to work. Overtime.
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Post by RosalieTCeltics on Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:07 pm

I like it Worcester!!! Keep those good thoughts coming. I am still waiting for another shoe to fall with the Celtics. Too many guys.

I love how they keep us guessing, can't say it has been a boring off season so far!
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Post by fierce on Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:19 pm

RosalieTCeltics wrote:I like it Worcester!!! Keep those good thoughts coming.  I am still waiting for another shoe to fall with the Celtics. Too many guys.

I love how they keep us guessing, can't say it has been a boring off season so far!

August and September will be the boring months of NBA fans.
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Post by beat on Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:04 am

So adding a little fuel to the Cavaliers "fire"

Irving thinks Bron is behind this

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/7/23/16017712/kyrie-irving-lebron-james-trade-request-leaked-cavaliers

And if he really feels this way and he stays.............appears the chemistry could be lethal.

The saga of Cleveland "Peyton" Place continues

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Post by mrkleen09 on Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:28 am

Couldnt happen to a bigger bunch of jerks.
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Post by dboss on Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:46 am

This is what happens when players let their agendas get in the way of winning.

Unless some team is willing to part with one of their stars the Cavs are a virtual train wreck. They will become more desperate the longer this is front page news. They are stuck between a rock and a hard place because James may already have his bags packed. He has a no trade clause so moving him will not be easy.

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Post by wideclyde on Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:50 am

I just do not see how Cleveland could possibly keep Irving on their team at this time.

They may end up not having as much talent after trading him (which is good for Cs fans), but they will certainly have plenty of internal turmoil if they keep him.

Also, from some history book nearly a half century ago while in high school, I remember something about kings eliminating subjects who rocked the kingdom with "issues". Not as many kings around these days, but there is still one who plays in Cleveland.

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Post by NYCelt on Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:11 pm

wideclyde wrote:I just do not see how Cleveland could possibly keep Irving on their team at this time.

They may end up not having as much talent after trading him (which is good for Cs fans), but they will certainly have plenty of internal turmoil if they keep him.

Also, from some history book nearly a half century ago while in high school, I remember something about kings eliminating subjects who rocked the kingdom with "issues".  Not as many kings around these days, but there is still one who plays in Cleveland.

Clyde,

Great analogy.

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Post by cowens/oldschool on Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:16 pm

I have a feeling Stevens will do a great job with the young players and finding the right chemistry, if you would have told me we're going to the Finals and have the first 2 picks in the draft this year a few seasons ago....I woulda said No focking way!!!
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Post by gyso on Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:01 pm

LeBron James won't waive his no-trade clause, because of course he won't

https://sports.yahoo.com/lebron-james-wont-waive-no-trade-clause-course-wont-151752671.html

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Kyrie Irving might want out of Cleveland on the next thing smoking, but LeBron James — for this season, at least — isn’t going anywhere.

Friday’s bombshell report that Irving had requested a trade in large part because he no longer wants to play with James left the Cleveland Cavaliers reeling, NBA fans the world over flocking to their trade machines, and LeBron reaching for the aux cord. As the weekend drew to a close, though, news broke that the four-time NBA Most Valuable Player wants to make it clear that no matter what turbulence might come over the next 11 months, he’s not abdicating his throne in Northeast Ohio before he’s good and ready. From Chris Haynes of ESPN.com:

No matter the reconstruction of the Cleveland Cavaliers’ roster, no matter the potential for heightened inner turmoil, no matter the win-loss record, and with or without Kyrie Irving, LeBron James will not waive his no-trade clause for any teams at any point during the 2017-18 season, league sources told ESPN.

James, Dirk Nowitzki and Carmelo Anthony are the only players with no-trade clauses. James holds a $35.6 million player option for the 2018-19 season, which means he could elect to test unrestricted free agency next summer.

In regard to that scenario, a decision has not been made.

The four-time MVP winner, according to sources, is focused solely on competing for a championship as a member of the Cavs and will fulfill his contractual obligations, whatever unexpected circumstances may arise.

This shouldn’t surprise us in the least.

Yes, James is reportedly frustrated with the current state of affairs in Cleveland. With owner Dan Gilbert showing general manager David Griffin the door rather than giving him a new contract after the 2017 NBA Finals. With Gilbert failing to land top choice Chauncey Billups as the Cavs’ new president of basketball operations (reportedly due in part to Gilbert trying to get away with a lowball salary offer for the gig).

With an offseason marked by around-the-margins moves (bringing back Kyle Korver and Richard Jefferson, bringing in Jose Calderon, Jeff Green and Turkish forward Cedi Osman) that don’t figure to make the Cavs any more serious a challenger to the Golden State Warriors than they were in June. With the month of uncertainty surrounding Cleveland’s front office that might have contributed to missed chances to land a pair of All-Stars. And, now, with word that Irving wants out.

If he’s so frustrated that he can no longer stomach what might look to him like detrimental intransigence (or incompetence) from the owner’s box, then sure, he could make like Kyrie, demand a trade, and make it clear that he’ll waive his no-trade clause to whichever destinations he chooses to help put himself in a better situation.
On the other hand … this is LeBron James.

He has fought for every bit of leverage he could muster, and earned every ounce of it he now holds. When you’re the best player in the world, you insist on things like player options in the third year of your deal and the right to refuse any trade the team might present, and you get them, because you’re the guy who brought Cleveland its first professional sports championship in more than five decades. You move when you want to move; you don’t have to move for anybody.

Yes, replacing Irving with, say, Derrick Rose would reduce the likelihood that the Cavs romp their way to a fourth straight NBA Finals berth with the ease they displayed a couple of short months ago. But if all things aren’t possible through LeBron, then at least a whole hell of a lot of them are, and Gordon Hayward aside, the Cavs will still be considered the class of the conference so long as James is suiting up in wine and gold come Halloween.

No, James’ odds of toppling the Warriors won’t look any better without one of the game’s most explosive offensive creators riding shotgun. But by maintaining what status quo he can muster, LeBron remains in line for an eighth straight trip to the championship round, makes his full freight of just under $33.3 million, and retains the opportunity to re-enter the free-agent market next summer if he so chooses without having to unnecessarily uproot his family. He continues to operate on his own timetable. Not anybody else’s.

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Post by dboss on Mon Jul 24, 2017 2:07 pm

Even before things started to unravel in Cleveland Boston was already completing the final touches on a team that is now a contender to win the NBA championship.

The Celtics just need a shot. With Cleveland out of the way no team in the East has enough talent to keep us from the finals.

Golden State would represent the ultimate challenge.

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Post by bobc33 on Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:27 pm

Now we just need Steph Curry to be inspired by Irving's foolhardiness and the way will soon be clear.......
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