Rookie of the Year Odds - August 2 Edition

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Rookie of the Year Odds - August 2 Edition

Post by bobheckler on Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:48 pm

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Here’s the full board at the moment, according to Sportsline/Bovada:


2017 NBA Rookie of the Year Odds (August)

PLAYER.......................ODDS
Lonzo Ball...................2/1
Dennis Smith..............3/1
Ben Simmons..............5/1
Jayson Tatum..............5/1
Markelle Fultz..............9/1
De'Aaron Fox...............12/1
Malik Monk.................18/1
Josh Jackson...............20/1
Jonathan Issac............33/1
Justin Jackson.............33/1
Lauri Markkanen..........33/1
John Collins.................33/1




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I find it interesting that last year's #1 pick Ben Simmons, who is 2 years older and has a year of learning the NBA playbook, is tied with Jayson Tatum.  Does that say good things about Jayson, bad things about Simmons, both or am I just stirring the shit around...?

Personally, I think Jayson Tatum's odds of winning ROY are longer than 5/1 because he isn't going to get the minutes to put up the gaudy numbers players who will be starting on shitty teams like the Lakers and the Kings will.  Voters don't care about /minute production, it's just big numbers they care about.  I'm just fine with this, ROY is a useless award.  I'd rather have Tatum learn the right way to play, the winning way to play AND become focused on winning games (especially playoff games!) than individual awards.  We all saw the difference in this team last year in the playoffs from the previous year.  Playoff play is different from regular season play and the only way to flatten out that learning curve is to play in playoff games.  Three years of getting a ton of minutes on a team that never makes the playoffs will be less valuable to the player and their team, in my opinion, than 3 years of steadily increasing minutes, including steadily minutes in playoff games.



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Re: Rookie of the Year Odds - August 2 Edition

Post by tjmakz on Wed Aug 02, 2017 4:10 pm

bobheckler wrote:https://www.libertyballers.com/2017/8/1/16079122/sixers-news-markelle-fultz-dropped-to-fifth-rookie-of-the-year-betting-odds-ben-simmons-lonzo-ball






Here’s the full board at the moment, according to Sportsline/Bovada:


2017 NBA Rookie of the Year Odds (August)

PLAYER.......................ODDS
Lonzo Ball...................2/1
Dennis Smith..............3/1
Ben Simmons..............5/1
Jayson Tatum..............5/1
Markelle Fultz..............9/1
De'Aaron Fox...............12/1
Malik Monk.................18/1
Josh Jackson...............20/1
Jonathan Issac............33/1
Justin Jackson.............33/1
Lauri Markkanen..........33/1
John Collins.................33/1




bob
I find it interesting that last year's #1 pick Ben Simmons, who is 2 years older and has a year of learning the NBA playbook, is tied with Jayson Tatum.  Does that say good things about Jayson, bad things about Simmons, both or am I just stirring the shit around...?

Personally, I think Jayson Tatum's odds of winning ROY are longer than 5/1 because he isn't going to get the minutes to put up the gaudy numbers players who will be starting on shitty teams like the Lakers and the Kings will.  Voters don't care about /minute production, it's just big numbers they care about.  I'm just fine with this, ROY is a useless award.  I'd rather have Tatum learn the right way to play, the winning way to play AND become focused on winning games (especially playoff games!) than individual awards.  We all saw the difference in this team last year in the playoffs from the previous year.  Playoff play is different from regular season play and the only way to flatten out that learning curve is to play in playoff games.  Three years of getting a ton of minutes on a team that never makes the playoffs will be less valuable to the player and their team, in my opinion, than 3 years of steadily increasing minutes, including steadily minutes in playoff games.



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Bob,

Simmons would probably have higher odds to win the ROY voting if Fultz wasn't on the same team.
I don't think losing early in an NBA career has anything to do with how a player turns out.
GS won 26 games in Curry's first year.
OKC won 20 games in Durant's first year.

Simmon's team won't win as much as Tatum's this season but Simmons should get as many minutes on the court as he wants.
I agree that Tatum should be listed lower in the ROY odds, but that's because his mpg will be limited compared to the other top 5 true rookies and Simmons.
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