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Post by bobheckler on Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:29 am

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2013 Celtics-Nets Trade Was So Bad, NBA Might Change Rules For Draft Picks



by Sam Galanis



on Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 2:45PM



The NBA might be considering some rule changes to protect the Brooklyn Nets from themselves.

The Boston Celtics went from being a 25-win team during the 2013-14 season to being the top seed in the Eastern Conference this year after making some good trades and picking up key free agents, but also thanks to of one of the worst trades in NBA history. Because before that season, the Nets thought they were getting a haul in the deal that sent Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce to Brooklyn in exchange for a boatload of first-round draft picks.

As the story goes, the Nets gave Boston their first-rounders in 2014, 2016 and 2018 and also offered to swap picks in 2017 as a way to skirt the rules that prevent teams from trading consecutive first-round picks. And the latter part of the deal was the most damaging for the Nets, as they wound up with the league’s worst record, and the Celtics wound up with the (eventually traded) No. 1 pick.

Nets chairman Dmitry Razumov told ESPN’s Zach Lowe offering to swap those picks was his biggest regret from the trade.

“We miscalculated in the heat of the moment,” Razumov said.

“But we were all excited. (Former GM Billy King) may have had doubts, but they were not spoken.” But what Lowe wrote next just added insult to injury.

“The league has since discussed banning pick swaps between drafts in which a team already owes its pick to other teams,” Lowe wrote. “The tweak has been on the competition committee agenda, but has not been debated yet at length, sources say.”

So the NBA basically is trying to prevent teams from accidentally destroying themselves, like the Nets did, because bad teams are bad for business. We’re sure the Nets would have liked the league to close that loophole before they made one of the worst decisions in franchise history, but you can’t win ’em all.




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MY NOTE:  This is not the first time the league has changed the rules because someone got "Ainged".  Danny traded Gary Payton to Atlanta and then re-signed him after they waived him and he cleared waivers.  The league changed the rules so you cannot re-sign a player for a year after you trade or cut him.  I'm sure Danny, and Mike Zarren, will come up with a new angle.  New laws create new loopholes.

The purpose of this rule change, if it happens, and the supportive statement by Nyetster Razumov does lend some weight to Trader Danny's obsession with draft picks.  If draft picks weren't so valuable then the league wouldn't care and Razumov and Nyet fans wouldn't be bothered by the trade of those picks neither.  If Dribble 07 (a new nickname being floated for #0 Jay Tatum and #7 Jaylen Brown) live up to their potential Nyet fans will be jumping out of tall buildings like they did in 1929 when the stock market crashed and suicide, even by professional sports teams' management, is discouraged.

My gut tells me this rule change will not happen, since draft picks are an important way for teams to balance out the difference in the values of players being traded. Three team trades are difficult as it is, but they become easier when draft picks can be used as grease. Take away the grease and the machine starts to seize up.



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Re: 2013 Celtics-Nets Trade Was So Bad, NBA Might Change Rules For Draft Picks

Post by dboss on Sat Aug 05, 2017 2:35 pm

bobheckler wrote:http://nesn.com/2017/08/2013-celtics-nets-trade-was-so-bad-nba-is-considering-rule-change-for-draft-picks/



2013 Celtics-Nets Trade Was So Bad, NBA Might Change Rules For Draft Picks



by Sam Galanis



on Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 2:45PM



The NBA might be considering some rule changes to protect the Brooklyn Nets from themselves.

The Boston Celtics went from being a 25-win team during the 2013-14 season to being the top seed in the Eastern Conference this year after making some good trades and picking up key free agents, but also thanks to of one of the worst trades in NBA history. Because before that season, the Nets thought they were getting a haul in the deal that sent Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce to Brooklyn in exchange for a boatload of first-round draft picks.

As the story goes, the Nets gave Boston their first-rounders in 2014, 2016 and 2018 and also offered to swap picks in 2017 as a way to skirt the rules that prevent teams from trading consecutive first-round picks. And the latter part of the deal was the most damaging for the Nets, as they wound up with the league’s worst record, and the Celtics wound up with the (eventually traded) No. 1 pick.

Nets chairman Dmitry Razumov told ESPN’s Zach Lowe offering to swap those picks was his biggest regret from the trade.

“We miscalculated in the heat of the moment,” Razumov said.

“But we were all excited. (Former GM Billy King) may have had doubts, but they were not spoken.” But what Lowe wrote next just added insult to injury.

“The league has since discussed banning pick swaps between drafts in which a team already owes its pick to other teams,” Lowe wrote. “The tweak has been on the competition committee agenda, but has not been debated yet at length, sources say.”

So the NBA basically is trying to prevent teams from accidentally destroying themselves, like the Nets did, because bad teams are bad for business. We’re sure the Nets would have liked the league to close that loophole before they made one of the worst decisions in franchise history, but you can’t win ’em all.




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MY NOTE:  This is not the first time the league has changed the rules because someone got "Ainged".  Danny traded Gary Payton to Atlanta and then re-signed him after they waived him and he cleared waivers.  The league changed the rules so you cannot re-sign a player for a year after you trade or cut him.  I'm sure Danny, and Mike Zarren, will come up with a new angle.  New laws create new loopholes.

The purpose of this rule change, if it happens, and the supportive statement by Nyetster Razumov does lend some weight to Trader Danny's obsession with draft picks.  If draft picks weren't so valuable then the league wouldn't care and Razumov and Nyet fans wouldn't be bothered by the trade of those picks neither.  If Dribble 07 (a new nickname being floated for #0 Jay Tatum and #7 Jaylen Brown) live up to their potential Nyet fans will be jumping out of tall buildings like they did in 1929 when the stock market crashed and suicide, even by professional sports teams' management, is discouraged.

My gut tells me this rule change will not happen, since draft picks are an important way for teams to balance out the difference in the values of players being traded.  Three team trades are difficult as it is, but they become easier when draft picks can be used as grease.  Take away the grease and the machine starts to seize up.



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Stupid is as stupid does.

There is no need for a rule change.

Danny fleeced the life out of the Nets and was vulnerable to getting fleeced by Michael Jordan.

End result is the the Nets made a horrible decision and so did Michael Jordan.

Danny Ainge came out smelling like a rose even though his later move would have resulted in him stepping in a pile of horse manure. It would have been a self-correcting event but the hoop gods stepped in and demanded that Boston would not be denied.


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Re: 2013 Celtics-Nets Trade Was So Bad, NBA Might Change Rules For Draft Picks

Post by tjmakz on Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:01 pm

bobheckler wrote:http://nesn.com/2017/08/2013-celtics-nets-trade-was-so-bad-nba-is-considering-rule-change-for-draft-picks/



2013 Celtics-Nets Trade Was So Bad, NBA Might Change Rules For Draft Picks



by Sam Galanis



on Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 2:45PM



The NBA might be considering some rule changes to protect the Brooklyn Nets from themselves.

The Boston Celtics went from being a 25-win team during the 2013-14 season to being the top seed in the Eastern Conference this year after making some good trades and picking up key free agents, but also thanks to of one of the worst trades in NBA history. Because before that season, the Nets thought they were getting a haul in the deal that sent Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce to Brooklyn in exchange for a boatload of first-round draft picks.

As the story goes, the Nets gave Boston their first-rounders in 2014, 2016 and 2018 and also offered to swap picks in 2017 as a way to skirt the rules that prevent teams from trading consecutive first-round picks. And the latter part of the deal was the most damaging for the Nets, as they wound up with the league’s worst record, and the Celtics wound up with the (eventually traded) No. 1 pick.

Nets chairman Dmitry Razumov told ESPN’s Zach Lowe offering to swap those picks was his biggest regret from the trade.

“We miscalculated in the heat of the moment,” Razumov said.

“But we were all excited. (Former GM Billy King) may have had doubts, but they were not spoken.” But what Lowe wrote next just added insult to injury.

“The league has since discussed banning pick swaps between drafts in which a team already owes its pick to other teams,” Lowe wrote. “The tweak has been on the competition committee agenda, but has not been debated yet at length, sources say.”

So the NBA basically is trying to prevent teams from accidentally destroying themselves, like the Nets did, because bad teams are bad for business. We’re sure the Nets would have liked the league to close that loophole before they made one of the worst decisions in franchise history, but you can’t win ’em all.




bob
MY NOTE:  This is not the first time the league has changed the rules because someone got "Ainged".  Danny traded Gary Payton to Atlanta and then re-signed him after they waived him and he cleared waivers.  The league changed the rules so you cannot re-sign a player for a year after you trade or cut him.  I'm sure Danny, and Mike Zarren, will come up with a new angle.  New laws create new loopholes.

The purpose of this rule change, if it happens, and the supportive statement by Nyetster Razumov does lend some weight to Trader Danny's obsession with draft picks.  If draft picks weren't so valuable then the league wouldn't care and Razumov and Nyet fans wouldn't be bothered by the trade of those picks neither.  If Dribble 07 (a new nickname being floated for #0 Jay Tatum and #7 Jaylen Brown) live up to their potential Nyet fans will be jumping out of tall buildings like they did in 1929 when the stock market crashed and suicide, even by professional sports teams' management, is discouraged.

My gut tells me this rule change will not happen, since draft picks are an important way for teams to balance out the difference in the values of players being traded.  Three team trades are difficult as it is, but they become easier when draft picks can be used as grease.  Take away the grease and the machine starts to seize up.



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Bob,

The rule of trading away a player, have him waived, then re-sign with his original team had nothing to do with Payton. 5 years after Payton was traded, Ilgauskas was traded from Cleveland, then he resigned with Cleveland days later. That rule was changed in 2010 mainly due to the Ilgauskas transaction. Payton's transaction happened in 2005.
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Re: 2013 Celtics-Nets Trade Was So Bad, NBA Might Change Rules For Draft Picks

Post by bobheckler on Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:12 pm

tjmakz wrote:
bobheckler wrote:http://nesn.com/2017/08/2013-celtics-nets-trade-was-so-bad-nba-is-considering-rule-change-for-draft-picks/



2013 Celtics-Nets Trade Was So Bad, NBA Might Change Rules For Draft Picks



by Sam Galanis



on Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 2:45PM



The NBA might be considering some rule changes to protect the Brooklyn Nets from themselves.

The Boston Celtics went from being a 25-win team during the 2013-14 season to being the top seed in the Eastern Conference this year after making some good trades and picking up key free agents, but also thanks to of one of the worst trades in NBA history. Because before that season, the Nets thought they were getting a haul in the deal that sent Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce to Brooklyn in exchange for a boatload of first-round draft picks.

As the story goes, the Nets gave Boston their first-rounders in 2014, 2016 and 2018 and also offered to swap picks in 2017 as a way to skirt the rules that prevent teams from trading consecutive first-round picks. And the latter part of the deal was the most damaging for the Nets, as they wound up with the league’s worst record, and the Celtics wound up with the (eventually traded) No. 1 pick.

Nets chairman Dmitry Razumov told ESPN’s Zach Lowe offering to swap those picks was his biggest regret from the trade.

“We miscalculated in the heat of the moment,” Razumov said.

“But we were all excited. (Former GM Billy King) may have had doubts, but they were not spoken.” But what Lowe wrote next just added insult to injury.

“The league has since discussed banning pick swaps between drafts in which a team already owes its pick to other teams,” Lowe wrote. “The tweak has been on the competition committee agenda, but has not been debated yet at length, sources say.”

So the NBA basically is trying to prevent teams from accidentally destroying themselves, like the Nets did, because bad teams are bad for business. We’re sure the Nets would have liked the league to close that loophole before they made one of the worst decisions in franchise history, but you can’t win ’em all.




bob
MY NOTE:  This is not the first time the league has changed the rules because someone got "Ainged".  Danny traded Gary Payton to Atlanta and then re-signed him after they waived him and he cleared waivers.  The league changed the rules so you cannot re-sign a player for a year after you trade or cut him.  I'm sure Danny, and Mike Zarren, will come up with a new angle.  New laws create new loopholes.

The purpose of this rule change, if it happens, and the supportive statement by Nyetster Razumov does lend some weight to Trader Danny's obsession with draft picks.  If draft picks weren't so valuable then the league wouldn't care and Razumov and Nyet fans wouldn't be bothered by the trade of those picks neither.  If Dribble 07 (a new nickname being floated for #0 Jay Tatum and #7 Jaylen Brown) live up to their potential Nyet fans will be jumping out of tall buildings like they did in 1929 when the stock market crashed and suicide, even by professional sports teams' management, is discouraged.

My gut tells me this rule change will not happen, since draft picks are an important way for teams to balance out the difference in the values of players being traded.  Three team trades are difficult as it is, but they become easier when draft picks can be used as grease.  Take away the grease and the machine starts to seize up.



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Bob,

The rule of trading away a player, have him waived, then re-sign with his original team had nothing to do with Payton. 5 years after Payton was traded, Ilgauskas was traded from Cleveland, then he resigned with Cleveland days later. That rule was changed in 2010 mainly due to the Ilgauskas transaction. Payton's transaction happened in 2005.


TJ,

The rule was created, it was called "The Payton Rule", after this happened. You couldn't re-sign a player you just traded or cut for 90 days. After Ilgauskas the Payton Rule was extended to cover the rest of the season.


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Post by RosalieTCeltics on Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:33 pm

But it is okay to tank three years in a row to get top draft picks and build your team??? where is the rule regarding this????? It is coming, too late, but coming. They hate being out smarted by a sharp GM or Owner
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Post by dboss on Sat Aug 05, 2017 6:09 pm

RosalieTCeltics wrote:But it is okay to tank three years in a row to get top draft picks and build your team??? where is the rule regarding this?????  It is coming, too late, but coming. They hate being out smarted by a sharp GM or Owner

Excellent point Rosalie.  The Celtics could have tanked like Philly.  Philly's lack of interest in winning was appalling.

Not to wish injury on any player, the injury curse seems almost fitting for a team that choose failure over effort to jump to the front of the line.

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