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Post by international on Sun Sep 03, 2017 4:48 pm

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Post by international on Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:50 pm

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Post by bobheckler on Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:59 pm

international wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lEvySO7Q-s


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I know I have green goggles on but I swear he looks better every time I watch him.


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Post by international on Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:05 pm

Yes ,Bob.
Is the same to me,he is such a quick leaper ,doesnt rush anything and is a great defensive player.He has long arms too.I am sure he is going to help our team a lot on the defensive end.Still young at 25,but at the same time very mature and with a lot of experience.

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Post by dboss on Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:23 pm

international wrote:Yes ,Bob.
Is the same to me,he is such a quick leaper ,doesnt rush anything and is a great defensive player.He has long arms too.I am sure he is going to help our team a lot on the defensive end.Still young at 25,but at the same time very mature and with a lot of experience.

do you happen to know what his wingspan is?
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Post by international on Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:33 pm

I read somewhere he has a wingspan of a seven footer.

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Post by fierce on Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:26 pm

That's why there's no need to rush to sign another big man.

Let's give Baynes and Theis a chance to shine.
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Post by worcester on Mon Sep 04, 2017 1:23 am

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Post by NYCelt on Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:07 am

It will be interesting to see what he can do against NBA competition.

Hopefully he can prove to be a good signing and help on the boards.
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Post by international on Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:05 am

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Can you find a NBA team with a frontline of Pau and Marc Gasol and Willy and Juan Hernangomez?

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Post by NYCelt on Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:11 pm

international wrote:NY Celt.
Can you find a NBA team with a frontline of Pau and Marc Gasol and Willy and Juan Hernangomez?

International,

I'm not sure I understand your question.

If you're referring to this tournament, there are some teams with a few strong players, but no team as strong overall as an NBA lineup.

I hope Theis is going to be a good pickup for Boston.  But he's totally unproven against an NBA lineup, as is any rookie coming in from the draft or Europe.  I think it's easier to get a read on players with NCAA D1 experience, because the game and speed are closer to what you see in the NBA, and because at the D1 collegiate level, defense is often a premium element of the game.

I'm simply saying I hope Theis is going to be a good pickup, no more, no less.  We won't know until it's game time.

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Post by international on Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:52 pm

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What I mean is Theis is playing against quality competition on this tournament,and we have to remember each team has the best players because is their national team.You have to agree that in the case of Spain,their frontline is even better than any NBA team,A backcourt of Goran Dragic and Luka Doncic of Slovenia is also great competition and the majority of the 24 teams have at least 5 players 6-10 or taller.I agree with you that he is unproven against NBA teams but this tournament is a good test.
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Post by international on Mon Sep 04, 2017 1:02 pm

I would like to add something and this is my humble opinion...I rather face the best team of NCAA division 1 than one of the best teams on this tournament.By the way Teams like Spain ,Serbia,Australia and France play great games agains the USA dream team full of NBA stars.

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Post by dboss on Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:25 pm

Theis will fight for a spot in the Celtics rotation which I believe will consistently go 10 deep.

He has a lot to work on to improve if he expects to play.  The good thing is that the Celtics are wide open and that means that there will be opportunities for all the  new faces.

If he wants to be part of the rotation he will need to become a much better passer.  

The two glaring weakness include his assists and his free throw shooting.  If he is going to play in Brad's pace and space offense, he will need to move the ball better. (0.7 assists per game and .709% from the line.

I think it is important to not get too high or two low on Theis.

His numbers do not exactly jump off the page so I am probably more of a skeptic.

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Post by bobheckler on Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:09 pm

dboss wrote:Theis will fight for a spot in the Celtics rotation which I believe will consistently go 10 deep.

He has a lot to work on to improve if he expects to play.  The good thing is that the Celtics are wide open and that means that there will be opportunities for all the  new faces.

If he wants to be part of the rotation he will need to become a much better passer.  

The two glaring weakness include his assists and his free throw shooting.  If he is going to play in Brad's pace and space offense, he will need to move the ball better. (0.7 assists per game and .709% from the line.

I think it is important to not get too high or two low on Theis.

His numbers do not exactly jump off the page so I am probably more of a skeptic.

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Per Game-2017.......mpg........ppg.....fg%.....3ptfg%.....3ptfga.....eFG.....ft%.....fta.....trb.....ast.....TO.....blks.....stls
Amir Johnson--------20.1-------6.5----57.6----40.9-------.8--------61.2----67-----1.3---4.6----1.8----1.0---.8------.6
Daniel Theis---------19.7-------9.6----59.8-----41--------1.3-------63.9----70.9---1.8---4.6----.7-----1.1---.9-------.7

So, in almost identical minutes he has very comparable stats to Amir.  More ppg, better fg%, more 3ptfgas for the same fg%, better eFG% despite the higher number of 3pt fgas, better frito %.  The only area where he is behind Amir is in assists:turnovers and his turnovers are comparable to Amir's.  He's just not passing as much as Amir.  In the Celtic offense, with the plays running through Kyrie, Hayward, Smart and Horford he might not be called upon to do much passing either. He's younger than Amir and much more mobile and athletic than Amir. Amir's numbers don't jump off the page at me either, but he was a starting big for us. We're asking Theis to be our 2nd big off the bench (I'm assuming Baynes comes in first).


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Post by international on Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:30 pm

dboss.
Agree ,but a shotblocker and good defensive player always find ways to help a team.Only time will tell.

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Post by dboss on Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:53 pm

bobheckler wrote:
dboss wrote:Theis will fight for a spot in the Celtics rotation which I believe will consistently go 10 deep.

He has a lot to work on to improve if he expects to play.  The good thing is that the Celtics are wide open and that means that there will be opportunities for all the  new faces.

If he wants to be part of the rotation he will need to become a much better passer.  

The two glaring weakness include his assists and his free throw shooting.  If he is going to play in Brad's pace and space offense, he will need to move the ball better. (0.7 assists per game and .709% from the line.

I think it is important to not get too high or two low on Theis.

His numbers do not exactly jump off the page so I am probably more of a skeptic.

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Per Game-2017.......mpg........ppg.....fg%.....3ptfg%.....3ptfga.....eFG.....ft%.....fta.....trb.....ast.....TO.....blks.....stls
Amir Johnson--------20.1-------6.5----57.6----40.9-------.8--------61.2----67-----1.3---4.6----1.8----1.0---.8------.6
Daniel Theis---------19.7-------9.6----59.8-----41--------1.3-------63.9----70.9---1.8---4.6----.7-----1.1---.9-------.7

So, in almost identical minutes he has very comparable stats to Amir.  More ppg, better fg%, more 3ptfgas for the same fg%, better eFG% despite the higher number of 3pt fgas, better frito %.  The only area where he is behind Amir is in assists:turnovers and his turnovers are comparable to Amir's.  He's just not passing as much as Amir.  In the Celtic offense, with the plays running through Kyrie, Hayward, Smart and Horford he might not be called upon to do much passing either.  He's younger than Amir and much more mobile and athletic than Amir.  Amir's numbers don't jump off the page at me either, but he was a starting big for us.  We're asking Theis to be our 2nd big off the bench (I'm assuming Baynes comes in first).  


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I do not see the relavency in comparing an NBA veteran to a Euro player that was a rotation player on his own team.  He may turn out to be a solid replacement or an upgrade over Jonas.  No one can say for certain.  

He will be fighting for the 10th spot with Yabusele and that should be an interesting battle.

I was just pointing out that he needs to fit into the Celtics style and become a more reliable free throw shooter.  I like what I see on film highlights.  I will wait to see how he does against NBA level competion.  Same situation applies to Yabu.

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Post by NYCelt on Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:59 pm

I don't think statistics from European play or play in this tournament tell us enough of what we need to know about Theis.  I value the opinion or eye test of International or anyone that has seen Theis play some games.  Video clips are too limited.  Still, from what little I've seen, I can only cross my fingers.  I firmly believe that we won't have a good idea of what we have until we have seen him in a number of games.

I completely agree with dboss.
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Post by kdp59 on Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:49 am

one would think Yabusele would have the inside track on the 4th big spot in the rotation today.

But Theis' strong defense should move him ahead, IMO.

with Irving and Hayward we finally have TWO players who can produce offense at any time. Horford and Morris can be counted on as secondary scorers ( 14pt/G).

this is why I feel Smart will be the 5th starter and why Theis will get every chance to move into the rotation. Brad will need and want defensive players who don't need touches on offense.
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Post by bobheckler on Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:34 am

kdp59 wrote:one would think Yabusele would have the inside track on the 4th big spot in the rotation today.

But Theis' strong defense should move him ahead, IMO.

with Irving and Hayward we finally have TWO players who can produce offense at any time. Horford and Morris can be counted on as secondary scorers ( 14pt/G).

this is why I feel Smart will be the  5th starter and why Theis will get every chance to move into the rotation. Brad will need and want defensive players who don't need touches on offense.


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A pretty good profile of our strengths, although I think that Theis would have the inside track on the 4th big spot.  I say that because I agree with your last sentence, that Brad wants defensive players who don't need touches.  Yabusele wasn't a defensive force in France and last year he played in a league that can't even spell "Defense" in Chinese Kanji.  Theis is 4-5 years older than Yabusele, he has been playing in a tougher league (not that it's too hard to play in a better league than the one where Jimmer Fredette is a superstar and Starbury is a living god) and he was just named the German League's 2017 DPOY.  Furthermore, Yabusele has played in, I think, just one playoff game in China and only a few in our G-League.  Theis is a 3x German League Champion.  Even if the German League is no better than the G-League, winning a Championship 3x is experience Yabusele doesn't have. Theis is a serious veteran, even if this is his first NBA season, while Yabusele is just one year older than Jaylen Brown without anywhere near his level of experience despite playing in pro leagues for more years.


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Post by dboss on Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:42 am

bobheckler wrote:
kdp59 wrote:one would think Yabusele would have the inside track on the 4th big spot in the rotation today.

But Theis' strong defense should move him ahead, IMO.

with Irving and Hayward we finally have TWO players who can produce offense at any time. Horford and Morris can be counted on as secondary scorers ( 14pt/G).

this is why I feel Smart will be the  5th starter and why Theis will get every chance to move into the rotation. Brad will need and want defensive players who don't need touches on offense.


kdp,

A pretty good profile of our strengths, although I think that Theis would have the inside track on the 4th big spot.  I say that because I agree with your last sentence, that Brad wants defensive players who don't need touches.  Yabusele wasn't a defensive force in France and last year he played in a league that can't even spell "Defense" in Chinese Kanji.  Theis is 4-5 years older than Yabusele, he has been playing in a tougher league (not that it's too hard to play in a better league than the one where Jimmer Fredette is a superstar and Starbury is a living god) and he was just named the German League's 2017 DPOY.  Furthermore, Yabusele has played in, I think, just one playoff game in China and only a few in our G-League.  Theis is a 3x German League Champion.  Even if the German League is no better than the G-League, winning a Championship 3x is experience Yabusele doesn't have.  Theis is a serious veteran, even if this is his first NBA season, while Yabusele is just one year older than Jaylen Brown without anywhere near his level of experience despite playing in pro leagues for more years.


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Experience is also a relative concept.  Personally I cannot be an advocate for one over the other.  I think it will be  a battle to see who is ahead in the rotation.  Theis has played 103 games since the 2012-13 season.  That is an average of 21 games per.  I do not see that as being a big factor.  Yabu played in Europe and then went over to China as a  draft and stash option.  Theis is 25 and by all accounts should be entering his prime shortly.  Where is the upside? Yabu is a massive human being but an undersized big. Yet when I saw him play he moved very well on defense, can shoot from distance and likes to go to the rim.

In sum, I cannot get too high on either player since neither has been NBA tested.

Defense is very important but in the end Boston needs rotation players that can put the ball in the hole.  Whichever one does that the best will get the nod.  We may even see both of them on the court at the same time playing PF/C.

And let us not forget about Semi, the Crowder clone.  He may see some minutes as well in a small ball lineup at the 4 with Baynes a center.

As you can imagine there are so many options to consider. No one on this board can state emphatically that one has the edge over the other.

On Oct 2 the first preseason game will be played and I will be glued to the TV.

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Post by wideclyde on Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:21 pm

I have also been impressed to some extent with Theis in what little game video I have seen, but he is (as has been mentioned several times) still completely untested in the NBA.

This does not mean that he cannot help, and if he gets 12 minutes per game what do you think that his stats will look like? 3 PPG, 4 RPG, .5 BPG ??????

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Post by international on Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:38 pm

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