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Post by worcester on Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:14 am

LA is one broken Brook Lopez foot away from being in the bottom 2-5.
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Re: Our Lakers Pick Lookin' Good

Post by dboss on Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:15 am

worcester wrote:LA is one broken Brook Lopez foot away from being in the bottom 2-5.

That is true.

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Re: Our Lakers Pick Lookin' Good

Post by Shamrock1000 on Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:46 pm

steve3344 wrote:
fierce wrote:
bobheckler wrote:
fierce wrote:
swish wrote: It's fun to crow about the relative difference in the talent level between the Lakers and the Celtics - but beware - It will soon be the Lakers turn to venture into the free agency market -
and we all know how quickly the addition of a couple of elite players can turn things around.

swish

Not so sure about that.

The OKC Thunder added a couple of elite players to go along with last season's league MVP and look at where the Thunder are right now.

Remove Brook Lopez and all the Laker starters are going to be bench players for other teams.

Lakers are 5 years away from being relevant again, regardless of who they add in free-agency in the summer.


Fierce,

Suppose they add LeBron and Paul George?


bob

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If they add Lebron and Paul George then they will be a playoff team.
But they won't get past the Warriors.

Nor will anybody if they stay healthy.

I feel like the Warriors are beatable this year. Even assuming Curry comes back and they stay healthy, they just don't have the dominant vibe they have had the past couple of years - Houston, Boston, Cleveland, or SA (if Leonard ever comes back) could knock them off. They may very well end up winning it all, but I'm not sure it is the lock everyone still assumes it is.

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Re: Our Lakers Pick Lookin' Good

Post by dboss on Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:23 pm

Shamrock1000 wrote:
steve3344 wrote:
fierce wrote:
bobheckler wrote:
fierce wrote:
swish wrote: It's fun to crow about the relative difference in the talent level between the Lakers and the Celtics - but beware - It will soon be the Lakers turn to venture into the free agency market -
and we all know how quickly the addition of a couple of elite players can turn things around.

swish

Not so sure about that.

The OKC Thunder added a couple of elite players to go along with last season's league MVP and look at where the Thunder are right now.

Remove Brook Lopez and all the Laker starters are going to be bench players for other teams.

Lakers are 5 years away from being relevant again, regardless of who they add in free-agency in the summer.


Fierce,

Suppose they add LeBron and Paul George?


bob

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If they add Lebron and Paul George then they will be a playoff team.
But they won't get past the Warriors.

Nor will anybody if they stay healthy.

I feel like the Warriors are beatable this year. Even assuming Curry comes back and they stay healthy, they just don't have the dominant vibe they have had the past couple of years - Houston, Boston, Cleveland, or SA (if Leonard ever comes back) could knock them off. They may very well end up winning it all, but I'm not sure it is the lock everyone still assumes it is.

Rock

The Warriors have this mystique about their invincibility.  But before Celtics fans prognosticate about beating them, the Celtics have to first win the ECF and that likely involved a 7 games series against the Cavs.  Lebron is a freak of nature and there is no evidence that he is not up to the task of taking his team to the finals again.

I think that if we had Hayward we could match anyone's offense.  It will take additional layers of improvement to beat them this year.  Guys like Brown, Rozier and Smart would need to take a few steps forward.  Notice I did not mention Tatum.  That is because he is ahead of the other 3 offensively.  Tatum is a prime time scorer.  Next year we should be measurably better with Hayward and with a little luck of the Irish, a high first round big.

When Hayward got hurt no one could have imagined that this team would be leading the pack at 21-4.  Then again the impact of great coaching was grossly underestimated.  Aside from that, this team has a lot of talent even without Hayward.

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Re: Our Lakers Pick Lookin' Good

Post by Shamrock1000 on Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:31 pm

dboss wrote:
Shamrock1000 wrote:
steve3344 wrote:
fierce wrote:
bobheckler wrote:
fierce wrote:
swish wrote: It's fun to crow about the relative difference in the talent level between the Lakers and the Celtics - but beware - It will soon be the Lakers turn to venture into the free agency market -
and we all know how quickly the addition of a couple of elite players can turn things around.

swish

Not so sure about that.

The OKC Thunder added a couple of elite players to go along with last season's league MVP and look at where the Thunder are right now.

Remove Brook Lopez and all the Laker starters are going to be bench players for other teams.

Lakers are 5 years away from being relevant again, regardless of who they add in free-agency in the summer.


Fierce,

Suppose they add LeBron and Paul George?


bob

.

If they add Lebron and Paul George then they will be a playoff team.
But they won't get past the Warriors.

Nor will anybody if they stay healthy.

I feel like the Warriors are beatable this year. Even assuming Curry comes back and they stay healthy, they just don't have the dominant vibe they have had the past couple of years - Houston, Boston, Cleveland, or SA (if Leonard ever comes back) could knock them off. They may very well end up winning it all, but I'm not sure it is the lock everyone still assumes it is.

Rock

The Warriors have this mystique about their invincibility.  But before Celtics fans prognosticate about beating them, the Celtics have to first win the ECF and that likely involved a 7 games series against the Cavs.  Lebron is a freak of nature and there is no evidence that he is not up to the task of taking his team to the finals again.

I think that if we had Hayward we could match anyone's offense.  It will take additional layers of improvement to beat them this year.  Guys like Brown, Rozier and Smart would need to take a few steps forward.  Notice I did not mention Tatum.  That is because he is ahead of the other 3 offensively.  Tatum is a prime time scorer.  Next year we should be measurably better with Hayward and with a little luck of the Irish, a high first round big.

When Hayward got hurt no one could have imagined that this team would be leading the pack at 21-4.  Then again the impact of great coaching was grossly underestimated.  Aside from that, this team has a lot of talent even without Hayward.

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Totally agree Dboss - Lebron is indeed a freak of nature, and I don't see any definitive signs that his decline has begun. Having Hayward would certainly help the Celtics beat Cleveland or anyone else. I'm still trying to make lemonade out of the situation, and keep telling myself that as devastating as Hayward's injury is, it may have resulted in more minutes/accelerated development of Tatum and Brown. I guess I am secretly holding out hope the Gordon will return close to form for the play-offs and Tatum and Brown will be that much further along.

To get back to the original point though, I still have a feeling the Warriors can be beaten. It may not end up being the Celtics, but I just have a sense that they may have already peaked. No real evidence - just a feeling....

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Re: Our Lakers Pick Lookin' Good

Post by dboss on Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:42 pm

The Warriors are not going to get better but perhaps their intensity game in and game out has declined opening the door for other teams to beat them.

The other reality is getting hit with the injury bug.  I suspect that both Boston and Houston could give them a run for their money.  

The Celtics match up well with them.  The problem is that they have to get past the Cavs and perhaps the Raptors first.  

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Re: Our Lakers Pick Lookin' Good

Post by bobheckler on Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:04 pm

For what it's worth


Tom Westerholm @Tom_NBA

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On his pod today, Woj said GMs came away from Arizona/Texas A&M telling him Ayton is the No. 1 pick. Perhaps worth noting that one of the GMs in attendance was Danny Ainge.
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Re: Our Lakers Pick Lookin' Good

Post by cowens/oldschool on Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:37 pm

bobheckler wrote:For what it's worth


Tom Westerholm @Tom_NBA

3 hours ago

On his pod today, Woj said GMs came away from Arizona/Texas A&M telling him Ayton is the No. 1 pick. Perhaps worth noting that one of the GMs in attendance was Danny Ainge.
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with Ayton and other great young bigs already in the league, its just a matter of time before a franchise puts enough talent around a monster big, then we'll see the beast in the middle with a bunch of snipers hitting 3's.
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Re: Our Lakers Pick Lookin' Good

Post by bobheckler on Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:34 am

Lakers beat Charlotte last night.  That was a big hurt, as far as us getting their pick, since they were tied with Charlotte going in.

So much for building through the draft, Charlotte's been doing that for a long time.

Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum are high draft picks, but they aren't anything...yet.  Championships are won by grizzled veterans who have been there and done that and aren't impressed anymore with the lights and pressure.  Look at the difference in our playoff runs two years ago vs last year's.  We went out in the 1st round vs Atlanta 2 years ago and we learned a lot from that loss.  Last year we had a better idea as to what it took to advance, and we did.  What were the differences in rosters between 2 years ago and last year's?  Not much, physically, the big differences were between the ears.  We have 4 returning players from last year, 4 players who advanced all the way to the EC Finals.  We have Kyrie with tons of playoff experience, and a ring, and we have Baynes who also has a ring.  We're in better shape this year, between the ears, than last year.



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Re: Our Lakers Pick Lookin' Good

Post by sinus007 on Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:13 pm

Hi,
It's been 1/3 of the season and it doesn't look good: Lakers pick is way above the last 5. And their young pups getting more experience. OTOH, there's always a possibility of Lavar doing some super dumb things...

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