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Post by dboss on Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:11 pm

I always find it fascinating how a single thread becomes a tree.

A lot of great ideas.  

I think we can all agree that the #1 missing piece on this team is getting a young PF/C   If we get the Lakers pick there will be one available between 2 and 5.  But the Celtics have to get that pick.  As the year moves along and the odds favors the Celtics getting the pick, teams will surely inquire about it.

Therefore the possibility exists that Danny could also pull off another 2 for 1 deal.  

The game has changed to a degree that a big is no longer valued over a guard or a wing.  And if you are a big with no ability to step away from the paint and score your value is further diminished.  Nevertheless every good team needs a good center. A kid like Bamba would be a great addition and our defense would be even better than it is.  Defense wins games.

A kid like Bagley would give us an Aldridge type player but not a great defender. The kid Jackson would give you a little of both.

Ayton is likely gone at #1.

If the Celtics decide not to bring Marcus back then Young may be in the mix.  As we all know Danny did not want to extend Marcus so that means he is not sure about his long term future with the team.  Young would alter the offensive dynamic to a second unit that has been pretty anemic when it comes to scoring.  And it would also provide insurance in the event that Kyrie opts out and does not opt back in with the Celtics for the 2019-20 season.

Doncic is a wing who would fit into the way Boston wants to play but Boston has drafted 2 wings back to back using #3 selections and signed a wing to a huge contract.  Brown has 3 more years on his contract after this year so there is no impetus on the horizon to move him and Tatum is a star in thr making. The combination provides a pretty dynamic duo with huge upside.

The idea of a Davis trade is probably not going to do away but you can be sure that Danny is not going to get Davis unless NO agrees to take back horford.  Otherwise you would have to gut the team of all the young talent that has been accumulated since Davis already makes big dough.  Anyone who suggests a Davis trade should also consider the ability to match up salaries.

NO is in no immediate danger to lose Davis so there is no incentive for them to part with a 24 year old franchise player.  It just defies any reasonable logic unless the unthinkable happens and they decide to build the team around Cousins and want to use Davis as the kingpin in a deal to stock multiple young talented players and/or draft picks.  Who would you build your team around, Davis or Cousins?  No matter how you look at the situation Davis is the franchise for the Pelicans.

Danny will likely draft a big this time around given the quality available in this draft.  He also has to maintain a favorable balance sheet which is the reason why he let Turner walk last year and did the same with KO and moved Bradley.  He had to have enough cap space to get Hayward and still pay Horford.

However if Trae Young continue to impress he could easily push his way into the mix and the Celtics could find justification for drafting him.

Drafting in the top 5 will cost 5-$7 million per year for a high lotto pick.  It would fit both the timeline as well as budgetary constraints to use the pick instead of trading it.



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Re: Trae Young OK

Post by worcester on Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:21 pm

If we get the Lakers pick, don't discount Danny's ability to add another of our #1 picks to trade UP to get Ayton. Whoever gets the #1 pick may not need a center. Many things are possible.
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Post by bobheckler on Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:34 pm

worcester wrote:If we get the Lakers pick, don't discount Danny's ability to add another of our #1 picks to trade UP to get Ayton. Whoever gets the #1 pick may not need a center. Many things are possible.


Worcester,

The likely suspects for the #1 pick are Atlanta, Boston, Memphis, Orlando, Sacto.  Of those 5 teams the only one who wouldn't draft Ayton because they don't need a center might be Orlando because they have Vucevic who is good and young.  Even then, having Vucevic and Ayton would be one helluva front court.

Atlanta has the Dwightmare, who is 32.
Memphis has Marc Gasol, who is 32 years old and could be trade bait if they get Ayton.
Sacto has WCS and Koufos.  WCS is a defender, Koufos is a career backup.



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Re: Trae Young OK

Post by worcester on Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:51 pm

So we are rooting for Orlando get the #1 to trade for our Lakers pick.
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Post by bobheckler on Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:00 pm

worcester wrote:So we are rooting for Orlando get the #1 to trade for our Lakers pick.


worcester,

Yes, if you agree with my analysis and if you believe, like dboss, that Ayton will be the #1 pick in the draft.


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Re: Trae Young OK

Post by dboss on Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:07 pm

bobheckler wrote:
worcester wrote:If we get the Lakers pick, don't discount Danny's ability to add another of our #1 picks to trade UP to get Ayton. Whoever gets the #1 pick may not need a center. Many things are possible.


Worcester,

The likely suspects for the #1 pick are Atlanta, Boston, Memphis, Orlando, Sacto.  Of those 5 teams the only one who wouldn't draft Ayton because they don't need a center might be Orlando because they have Vucevic who is good and young.  Even then, having Vucevic and Ayton would be one helluva front court.

Atlanta has the Dwightmare, who is 32.
Memphis has Marc Gasol, who is 32 years old and could be trade bait if they get Ayton.
Sacto has WCS and Koufos.  WCS is a defender, Koufos is a career backup.



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Bob Howard does not play for Atlanta.

The common thread for all 3 teams is that they are all bad defensive teams. WCS is NOT a good defender. He is very average and I continue to be amazed at how many Celtics fans think or thought that he would be a good fit (6.4 boards and 0.9 blocks per)

Therefore I think all 3 teams could use a rim protector along with Boston

However Boston is still a top 2 team defensively so they also need an offensive shot in the arm. We will get some of that when Hayward returns but will that be enough??? If you add a shooter/score like Young for example the scoring issues may disappear

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Re: Trae Young OK

Post by dboss on Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:22 pm

bobheckler wrote:
worcester wrote:So we are rooting for Orlando get the #1 to trade for our Lakers pick.


worcester,

Yes, if you agree with my analysis and if you believe, like dboss, that Ayton will be the #1 pick in the draft.


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If Boston had to give up another pick they would probably want the Memphis pick. The Hawks could also end up at the bottom and they would probably want to keep the pick.

Boy there are so many scenarios to consider but the fact that the Laker's pick is in the mix makes for great conversation.

Danny Ainge is amazing.

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Post by bobheckler on Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:31 pm

dboss wrote:
bobheckler wrote:
worcester wrote:If we get the Lakers pick, don't discount Danny's ability to add another of our #1 picks to trade UP to get Ayton. Whoever gets the #1 pick may not need a center. Many things are possible.


Worcester,

The likely suspects for the #1 pick are Atlanta, Boston, Memphis, Orlando, Sacto.  Of those 5 teams the only one who wouldn't draft Ayton because they don't need a center might be Orlando because they have Vucevic who is good and young.  Even then, having Vucevic and Ayton would be one helluva front court.

Atlanta has the Dwightmare, who is 32.
Memphis has Marc Gasol, who is 32 years old and could be trade bait if they get Ayton.
Sacto has WCS and Koufos.  WCS is a defender, Koufos is a career backup.



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Bob Howard does not play for Atlanta.

The common thread for all 3 teams is that they are all bad defensive teams.   WCS is NOT a good defender.  He is very average and I continue to be amazed at how many Celtics fans think or thought that he would be a good fit  (6.4 boards and 0.9 blocks per)

Therefore I think all 3 teams could use a rim protector along with Boston

However Boston is still a top 2 team defensively so they also need an offensive shot in the arm.  We will get some of that when Hayward returns but will that be enough???  If you add a shooter/score like Young for example the scoring issues may disappear

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dboss,

Thanks for the correction.  Howard plays for Charlotte now, of course.  Nevertheless, they still need a center.



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Re: Trae Young OK

Post by worcester on Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:57 pm

One never knows what a team with a poor record will do on draft day. It's their poor judgment that usually got them into those straits to begin with.
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Post by NYCelt on Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:34 pm

worcester wrote:If we get the Lakers pick, don't discount Danny's ability to add another of our #1 picks to trade UP to get Ayton. Whoever gets the #1 pick may not need a center. Many things are possible.

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Absolutely correct IMO. The lottery creates a total wildcard until those Ping-Pong balls get pulled.

I think if there was a chance to get Ayton, trading any package of players and picks that didn't include Irving and Tatum, we would come out ahead of the cost for Davis in the long run. Picking Bamba somewhere in the likely 3 - 6 range might possibly be almost as good as Ayton; too soon to say.

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Re: Trae Young OK

Post by cowens/oldschool on Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:28 pm

worcester wrote:My prophecy and dream for the Celtics:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxPWVX-qSrQ

while Young is intriguing I’m with worse, there are so many young talented bigs that sooner or later a franchise is gonna add enough pieces to contend with one of them, Davis, Cousins, Embid, Towns, Drummond, Porzingus and Horford is 31, we get this kid with freakish length and mobility and with Brad coaching him and Kyrie, Rozier, Smart, Jaylen, Jayson, Hayward, Morris, Baynes and Al....looks like a stacked roster to me. We think the 08 defense was great, this would be historic, shutdown and waves of speed and athleticism everywhere, all over and a monster in the middle.
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Re: Trae Young OK

Post by dboss on Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:30 pm

On NBAdraftnet Celtics projected to take Trae Young at #2

And pass on Bagley? really?

If Boston secures the LAL pick Danny may use his draft position to trade up or down.

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Re: Trae Young OK

Post by dboss on Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:42 pm

How about taking Jaren Jackson in a trade down move? The Celtics have done well with the J's.

Does not appear to be a highend rebounder but he is a very good shot blocker and shoots very well http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4277961/jaren-jackson-jr.

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