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Post by Phil Pressey on Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:12 am



I think he's averaging 35 points and 15 rebounds but am not sure. He doesn't look that overweight.

This is dated October 31:



This says November 3:

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Post by kdp59 on Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:22 am

https://basketball.realgm.com/international/league/40/Chinese-CBA/stats


31 pt, 17 reb a game after 24 games

looks to be in good shape, maybe it's all the rice instead of McDonalds?





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Post by kdp59 on Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:23 am

another story about him

http://defpen.com/jared-sullinger-jimmer-fredette-china-stats/


Jared Sullinger, Jimmer Fredette Shine Brightest in China
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Jared Sullinger (VCG Photo)
Basketball is a small world now. It is one of the most popular Twitter themes among overseas players, and rightfully so. The American market for players is growing thanks to an expansion of the NBA G League, while the overall number of workplaces in the NBA remains the same. Once you are stuck with NBA activities, you’ve got to choose the next option overseas and put the trigger really quick. Because nowadays there are not too many spots under the light left in Europe or Asia.

In that regard, Chinese leagues can compete with the Euroleague. Not in terms of average level of players, obviously, but financially it’s a fair bout. The league is growing and the interest for the domestic championship is fueled by the constant presence of former NBA players, who, once in a while, decide to make some money and save themselves a shot at the NBA playoffs later on.

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Keith Langford, one of the most decorated Euroleague scorers of all time, didn’t hesitate last summer to land a deal. Nick Minnerath, who grabbed two scoring titles in Europe last season (Russian VTB League and Basketball Champions League), also used an opportunity to enjoy good paycheck and stats upgrade. And that’s not it. Aaron Jackson, Miroslav Raduljica, Sonny Weems, Kyle Fogg, Edwin Jackson, Ioannis Bourousis are all considered household names in Europe but took a chance in China.

A new group of former NBA players was even more impressive. Frontcourt-heavy pack occupied most of the international spots with few notable guards. Ty Lawson and Brandon Jennings, once solid starters and arguably star-level players for their NBA teams, have opened a new chapter. The two guards didn’t quite live up to expectations but they still registered decent stats overall including Top 10 spots on the CBA’s leaderboard. Jennings even had flirted with 30 points per game mark, before he was sidelined with an injury.

However, it was the big men, who produced a much-needed boost in quality in a league that seems always struggled with “paint talent”. Luis Scola, Carl Landry, Donatas Motiejunas, Terrence Jones, Tyler Hansbrough, Justin Hamilton, Andrew Nicholson and Brandon Bass have significantly raised the bar for an average ”four” or “five” in the CBA. But one particular newcomer has stepped even further.




Luis Scola and Brandon Jennings (Photo credit: Osports)
Jared Sullinger has been anything but a war machine in China so far. A year ago, this scenario would’ve been considered very unlikely. He suffered a serious setback with another injury, made an unimpressive comeback for Toronto Raptors and the eventual trade to the Phoenix Suns resulted in an immediate departure from Arizona, as a dismal outcome of recent struggles. A messy year, history of injuries and issues with game-ready shape kept him out of NBA picture for the rest of 2016-17 season.

Despite some interest from an NBA team over the summer during his appearance at “The Basketball Tournament”, an NBA comeback was not in the cards for the former Ohio State standout. Jared has started back at the basics. Lose weight first, show some interest in keeping decent shape, then sign any significant contract. Chinese option was a no-brainer for a bounce back, as European leagues are not constructed to a possible way out the same season. A helping hand came from the Shenzhen Leopards, an organization that at that time had already landed two-time Euroleague scoring champion, Keith Langford.

Ironically, it was Keith who stepped aside and let his teammate do damage. And Jared has done a lot of it already. Sullinger is a perfect fit for the Chinese league, no matter how strange it may sound to an average NBA fan. Most opposition just can’t handle that much size in the paint, and if Jared works against local Chinese guys, it’s almost a free pass. Some teams quadruple-teaming him, and it’s not a joke. His skill set and freedom in offense (thanks to Keith Langford) allows him to punish defenders from all distances and angles.

Statistically, it looks scary. Sullinger is easily not only the best rebounder this season, he is probably the best ever to play in China and numbers prove it. His average of 17.1 RPG is the best in this decade. And by this decade we mean the only relevant decade in CBA history. He already has five 20-rebound and two 25-rebound games under his belt. Only once he left with less than 10 boards and without a double-double but ended that night by dropping 46 points.

And that’s not all. Sullinger is also the only player this season with two 40-20 games. For some time he was a holder of season high (55 points) and this result is still 3rd best scoring performance. With Kyle Fogg out, Jared must feel confident with his current place in scoring Top 5 and without Terrence Jones it will be easier for him to lead the league in blocks. Steals and assists? He ranks in the top 25 for both categories. At this point, it’s obvious who is the first candidate among bigs to leave Chinese shores later this season for good.

Those who have found their niche in China a little bit earlier also send loud and clear messages. Russ Smith went through second Chinese division the to earn a contract with CBA team while showing non-human stats. The Brooklyn native putting up crazy numbers in premier division too, even by local standards for a 6’0’’ guard. Russ is just a little shy of 35-7-7 line. After temporary stay in Italy, MarShon Brooks cemented his place as CBA’s most consistent high-volume scorer. The former Lakers, Celtics and Nets guard is headed to the third straight season with 35 points per game.

But there is another extraordinary duo of long-timers. When it comes to records, Darius Adams and Jimmer Fredette are available 24/7. It’s not a coincidence that first one led Xinjiang to a title last season, and the second was just inches away from winning a scoring title. It’s really hard to imagine this year’s crown ending up in a third set of hands.


Jimmer Fredette (Photo credit: Coral Lu Twitter)
Adams, who is much more familiar to European public than to American fans, made his presence felt at the beginning of the season with a 5-game streak of 40-point games. Next 5 games weren’t so bright, and the scoring maximum was set at 37. It was enough for Jimmer to jump in driver’s seat, and even a second 50-point performance by Darius hasn’t changed much.

The former BYU star may have even a bigger goal than grabbing his first scoring crown. Right now Jimmer is averaging more than 40 points per game, a golden standard for the Chinese league. Only two players in CBA history were able to reach that marquee number at the end of the year. Jonathan Gibson’s incredible 42 PPG was beaten by the 43.1 PPG of Jordan Crawford in the 2015-16 season. Jimmer has a legitimate chance to make history and go beyond even that unreal stats.

It’s his second year in China and all local tricks have been learned. Well, there hasn’t been a lot to learn in the first place because defense in most CBA clubs is still one big black hole. And even decent defensive line-ups can’t really handle Fredette’s style. With much lower athletic standards and poor perimeter defense, Jimmer is able to beat his opponents numerous ways. With his shooting touch back (46.3 3P%), you only need to choose your poison.

The former lottery pick has already posted more 50-point games this year (five) than he had last season (four). The only triple-double with 50 points this year also belongs to Jimmer. He could’ve done even more, but his American teammate, Nick Minnerath, also has a significant role in the Shanghai Sharks’ offense.

But if we look at a bigger picture, unlike Sullinger, Fredette has fewer chances to re-enter NBA this season. And it’s not just a limited time frame to refresh shooting instincts in much more competitive basketball before playoffs. His previous lack of success is still a factor. Would you bet on him now? While the answer is pretty much unknown, the only way to prove doubters wrong is to continue delivering insane numbers in China. Apparently, Jimmer doesn’t have any problems with this part of a task.

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Post by wideclyde on Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:22 am

It is always nice to see guys who have fallen in the NBA get up and get another chance. Perhaps Sullinger will get another NBA chance and possibly make good.

But, the stats from the Chinese league are just ridiculous as far as guaranteeing an NBA comeback. Guys like Ferdette who could not even hold onto a 15th NBA spot is scoring over 40 per game in China? Sullenger with two 25 rebound games, and a 50 point game?

The overall talent (at least at this time) in Chinese professional leagues is just not strong enough to be able to guarantee NBA success. Not sure what the coaching level is over there (could be better than the talent level), but if a guy like Ferdette could not find a 15th spot in the NBA after scoring so well last year in China there is very little hope for many former American players to find their own 15th spot on an NBA roster.

It is good that the Chinese leagues are growing and that they can pay guys a decent salary, but there probably are not many (any?) Chinese teams who could compete with the better G League teams.

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Post by Phil Pressey on Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:05 pm

I think this is a full game from December 24. He looks bigger and slower. Marcus Smart is a better player for getting into shape. I think Sully needs to lose weight. Everyone knows the CBA is weak for competition. If he only had a tenth of Delonte West's work ethic, then maybe he'd be worth signing. Delonte was also a natural but had different issues other than dedication to getting better. Sully seems to still take basketball for granted by relying on natural skills. I've only started watching, maybe my opinion will change again. Sullinger would definitely slow the Celtics and looks weak for defense. It's tough to tell, but to me he might need to lose thirty pounds and that's too much load to carry. But one game Smart looked big and it turned out he was just bloated. Marcus Smart continues to impress with his conditioning.

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Post by Phil Pressey on Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:15 pm

Sully is showing heart midway through the first quarter. He is so much more skilled than the Chinese he looks like a 40 year old LeBron player coach. A LeBron in slow motion. Maybe he only needs to lose 20 pounds. It is tough to tell.
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Post by Phil Pressey on Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:18 pm

Poor Sully. I'm rooting for him. He refuses to give up.
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Post by Phil Pressey on Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:33 pm

Sully looks sad with nothing to prove. He is sweating and doesn't look big here.



I hope someone watches this and can add in what it looks like, 20 pounds? Maybe he has other reasons for playing slow? At times, he looks decent. He is clearly the best player on the court. His team sucks. This is good for China. They will learn from foreign players who know what it takes to produce consistency. Or they will cash their paychecks and gorge on Chinese food.
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Post by bobheckler on Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:43 pm

When 40 year old Starbury is a living god and Jimmer is his heir apparent nothing seen, heard or calculated can be trusted or believed.



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Post by Phil Pressey on Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:49 pm

Wow, Sully is starting to take over the game midway through the second quarter. Remember when Boston got John Bagley and he played his way into shape? Sully needs to get in shape. He can do this. Fat cells are the toughest to lose. Maybe he is almost there. He is rebounding and taking it coast to coast for layups plus the free throw. His shooting looks good. He is still a young man. His metabolism should still be working. This is a fun, great interesting full game from China. I've never watched one of these.
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Post by Phil Pressey on Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:56 pm

bobheckler wrote:When 40 year old Starbury is a living god and Jimmer is his heir apparent nothing seen, heard or calculated can be trusted or believed.



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Yup, that's why I'm doing this scouting for free for Danny. It won't prove anything. It can only prove a negative. James Young was development league fool's gold. The difference is Sullinger was a proven NBA player. Not an all-star, but he had some accomplishments. He was here a while and links directly to the second Big Three. He turns only 26 in March. His weight has been the only thing holding him back. He was a consensus top five pick until his back caved in? I think that's what happened.
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Post by Phil Pressey on Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:12 pm

My recommendation to Mr. Ainge is to sign Sully. He is playing a lot of minutes. Sometimes he is pacing himself. He's still the same player which was above average. Maybe he could be the eighth best guy on a title team. He's still 25.
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Post by Shamrock1000 on Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:12 pm

I hope Sully makes it. He was a decent player, and I was kind of shocked he washed out of the nba. Good luck Jared.

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Post by kdp59 on Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:04 pm

Phil

I doubt Sully could be productive in the rotations Brad likes on defense now.

Baynes has trouble also....wait, Baynes is getting minutes...never mind!

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Post by Phil Pressey on Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:21 am

kdp59 wrote:Phil

I doubt Sully could be productive in the rotations Brad likes on defense now.

Baynes has trouble also....wait, Baynes is getting minutes...never mind!


If I was GM, I'd try to get as many unique players as possible. Golden State looks unbeatable, but they are relying on four or five guys. If the Celtics have ten, then all bets are off. Semi did okay today, but an in shape Sully would have terrorized Brooklyn. That was the kind of game Olynyk would have dominated.

I'd take Sully or Olynyk over Okafor. I really want Nerlens Noel because he lived in Boston. It was nice with Tatum blocking shots, but him and Noel could have broken a tandem record. Horford can get blocks. Theis is getting better. Maybe a fifth big would rock the boat, but that player might be needed to win the title. PJ Brown comes to mind.

The Celtics have four great starters with Baynes/Morris sharing the fifth role. Baynes seems to be getting the yips lately on offense. It was very tough to lose Horford. Yeah, get the fifth big. Players are just going to have to trust Brad is being fair.

Sully wants in for the playoffs. If he tones, I think someone will grab him. He's an overweight John Bagley trying to play himself into shape for an NBA comeback. I like this story line.
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Post by NYCelt on Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:04 am

Foreign leagues in China and across the European continent are a great place for US players who can't get to or survive the NBA. I know a few who have played overseas and it gave them both a chance to extend their hopes of playing pro basketball, and a nice financial kick-start for their future. The level of skill and competition in those leagues is nothing like the NBA, however, and only the smallest percentage of players who go or start there are ever seen in the NBA.

Sully was a good player and by all accounts a great guy who caught some bad breaks. That's why he fell to where he did when Boston drafted him. At first glance he, looked like the next big thing, and was a college star ready to go at the top of the draft. Injuries slowed him, and his perpetual battle with his weight compounded the issue brought on by being, and playing, hurt.

If would be a long-shot if he can ever make it back to the NBA. Good for him if he does, he would be deserving if he's worked hard enough.
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Post by kdp59 on Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:12 am

I think Sully will get another chance in the NBA myself. He does have NBA skill level.

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Post by Phil Pressey on Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:14 pm

I found another game. This is from December 30th.

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