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How 2013 Celtics-Nets Blockbuster Might Impact 2018 NBA Trade Deadline

Post by bobheckler on Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:55 pm

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How 2013 Celtics-Nets Blockbuster Might Impact 2018 NBA Trade Deadline 






by Ricky Doyle on Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 3:59PM










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It’s been four and a half years since the Nets and Celtics completed a blockbuster trade in which Brooklyn acquired Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce while Boston received a treasure trove of draft picks. 


The deal still serves as a cautionary tale with the NBA trade deadline a month away. 


Garnett and Pierce, of course, made a minimal impact in Brooklyn, with KG spending a season and a half with his new team before being traded to Minnesota for a second stint with the Timberwolves and The Truth lasting only one campaign with the Nets before leaving in free agency. 


The Celtics, meanwhile, have continued to reap the benefits, drafting Jaylen Brown in 2016 and Jayson Tatum in 2017 and using the 2018 first-round pick they received from the Nets as the centerpiece of a trade for Kyrie Irving. Boston even could wind up with a top-five draft pick in 2018 by virtue of flipping the No. 1 overall pick in 2017 (received from Brooklyn) to the Philadelphia 76ers for the No. 3 pick (used to select Tatum) and a conditional first-rounder. 


Basically, Danny Ainge committed highway robbery by acquiring four first-round draft picks in exchange for a package centered around two aging veterans (Garnett was 37; Pierce was entering his age-36 season). And NBA front offices have taken notice, which might even impact this year’s trade deadline. 


Consider this nugget from a piece by ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski published Monday: 


Fewer picks are available in deals that don’t include frontline starters, and several NBA executives believe the fallout from the 2013 Boston-Brooklyn trade has played a part in fostering that reluctance. 


“No one wants to end up embarrassed like the Nets were,” one Eastern Conference GM said. 


Brooklyn’s July 2013 mishap shouldn’t — and probably won’t — be an overriding factor leading up to the Feb. 8 deadline. That trade was questionable at the time given where Garnett and Pierce were in their respective careers, and one team’s incompetence shouldn’t weigh too heavily in the minds of general managers looking to contend for an NBA title in 2018. 


But, as Wojnarowski notes, the dynamics of trading picks for players has changed in recent years. And the Celtics fleecing the Nets almost certainly played a large role in the widespread philosophical shift.




bob
MY NOTE:  Danny the Hun, pillaging and burning his way through the NBA.  Other than Red has there ever been another GM that has forced changes by his actions?  Red's drafting of Larry Bird a year ahead of his making himself available for the draft forced a change in that rule.  He also forced the creation of "Bird Rights".  Danny forced a change to the CBA that prevented teams from re-signing a player they just traded and was subsequently waived (Gary Payton was traded to Atlanta in 2005 in a trade that brought 'Toine back to Boston and then, after the Hawks waived Payton, he re-signed with Boston, just like he and Danny agreed) and now there's this change in league-wide GM behavior after watching Danny pluck-and-clean the Brooklyn Nyets like a chicken (when you looked at the trade, at the time, it was a good deal for both teams.  Brooklyn gained, on paper, the strongest team in the league after it went through.  Unfortunately for the Nyets the season isn't played on paper.  Condemning the trade now is Monday morning quarterbacking.  That Nyets team was built to "win now", and they should have, they just didn't).


If the Lakers end up "in the money" for us this year's draft Danny will have done it again, turning a #1 pick that hasn't played more than a few games in his rookie season into a contender for ROY and a future All Star and the #2-#5 pick in this deep year's draft.  Doncic, Ayton, Young, Bamba, Porter, Bagley:  all high quality bigs and wings.  You almost can't go wrong.


The trade deadline is February 8th.


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Post by dboss on Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:35 pm

I'm reading the article and the referenced comment by wojo.

Consider this nugget from a piece by ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski published Monday: Fewer picks are available in deals that don’t include frontline starters, and several NBA executives believe the fallout from the 2013 Boston-Brooklyn trade has played a part in fostering that reluctance. “No one wants to end up embarrassed like the Nets were,” one Eastern Conference GM said.

This does not make any sense to me. On the one hand the author states that fewer teams are looking for deals that do not include front line players but isn't that exactly what Boston did in 2013? They traded away 2 frontline players for draft picks.

I think teams will still move draft picks for players but the Celtics haul was really over the top. Teams will be more protective of draft picks.

In any event how does that impact the trade deadline?? The topic was never answered.

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Re: How 2013 Celtics-Nets Blockbuster Might Impact 2018 NBA Trade Deadline

Post by bobheckler on Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:58 pm

dboss wrote:I'm reading the article and the referenced comment by wojo.

Consider this nugget from a piece by ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski published Monday: Fewer picks are available in deals that don’t include frontline starters, and several NBA executives believe the fallout from the 2013 Boston-Brooklyn trade has played a part in fostering that reluctance. “No one wants to end up embarrassed like the Nets were,” one Eastern Conference GM said.

This does not make any sense to me.  On the one hand the author states that fewer teams are looking for deals that do not include front line players but isn't that exactly what Boston did in 2013?  They traded away 2 frontline players for draft picks.

I think teams will still move draft picks for players but the Celtics haul was really over the top.  Teams will be more protective of draft picks.

In any event how does that impact the trade deadline??  The topic was never answered.

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Dboss,

The article says "fewer picks are available in deals", not that one party wouldn't want more picks.  Fewer picks are offered, without a viable starting player, because nobody wants to be the next Billy King.  Nobody is going to give away a bunch of picks for rentals again.  Danny gave up an injured28 year old and an undersized SF and a raw rookie and only one pick for a healthy 25 year old 4x All Star and Finals MVP. One pick.


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Post by dboss on Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:02 pm

Still the article does not really address the theme that the 2013 celts/nets trade may impact the trade deadline.
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