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Post by Ktronic1 on Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:46 pm

Help me out here. Brad says that we are going to need these Bench guys come playoff time. I get it but which bench guys? Semi, Larkin, Monroe, Nadar (I hope not Nadar).
With that being the case, Gibson, Byrd and Allen are ineligible for the playoffs. Why was 2 of the 3 in there at the end when the Hawks went on a run and took the lead?
I think the team could’ve discovered a little more about their bench at the end and still won the game. There is no reason to be rehearsing players in that situation that are not going to be able to help you come playing time because they’ll be in street clothes.
I fault Brad with this loss. He could’ve gotten the info he wanted without losing the damn game.
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Post by dboss on Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:10 pm

Why would Bird be ineligible?  I thought only Gibson would be ineligible unless the Celtics cut someone
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Post by Ktronic1 on Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:15 pm

dboss wrote:Why would Bird be ineligible?  I thought only Gibson would be ineligible unless the Celtics cut someone
Byrds on a 2 way contract. A lot of things would have to happen including cutting someone for Byrd to be eligible.
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Post by dboss on Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:18 pm

I thought that Boston could change his contract from a 2 way and he would be eligible.

After watching him in just 2 games I like him better than Nadar and Allen
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Post by bobheckler on Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:04 pm

dboss wrote:I thought that Boston could change his contract from a 2 way and he would be eligible.

After watching him in just 2 games I like him better than Nadar and Allen


Bird is on a 2-way which can be upgraded to a regular NBA contract, but you can only carry 15 NBA contracts and two 2-ways.

Horford
Tatum
Morris
Brown
Rozier
Kyrie
Rozier
Nader - $1.167M, $1.38M next year (non-guaranteed, so he can be waived)
Semi - $1.29M, $1.38M next year (non-guaranteed, so he can be waived)
Yabu - $2.25M, $2.67M next year (guaranteed)
Larkin
Baynes
Monroe
Theis
Gibson - $44.5K, $1.745M RFA next year

There's 15 NBA contracts, with the most likely suspects-to-be-cut contracts.  For Bird to be upgraded and be eligible for the playoffs one of them must be cut.


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Post by dboss on Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:50 pm

Bob. The 2nd year of Gibson contract is a team option so I would get rid of him and change the contract for Bird.
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Post by RosalieTCeltics on Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:12 pm

Now I am totally confused! I thought Gibson was ineligible, so who else would go? Nader? I doubt that very much, not that I think he will be here next year but this year, he stays I think.

Signing Gibson is a bit confusing unless someone goes. ???
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Post by dboss on Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:17 pm

RosalieTCeltics wrote:Now I am totally confused!  I thought Gibson was ineligible, so who else would go? Nader?  I doubt that very much, not that I think he will be here next year but this year, he stays I think.

Signing Gibson is a bit confusing unless someone goes.  ???
Yes the Gibson signing is very confusing.  He can only play in the playoffs is someone is cut.

I guess the same scenario applys to Bird plus the need to convert his contract

If Given the choice I would probably cut Allen.
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Post by RosalieTCeltics on Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:49 pm

Was Allen on a two way contract too?? I know, I am asking crazy questions, but , I am wondering what Danny has up his sleeve or if this Gibsson sign was just to have another body in the gym for practice. If so, why two year? Maybe that is the only way he signs?

So, now tell me, if Sean Kirkpatrick had signed with us instead of Chicago, he would not have been on the bench for playoffs either? Boy, I never would make it figuring this stuff out. That is why I wonder if he is going to do something out of the blue, like cut Allen?
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Post by swish on Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:26 pm

Churchill would have said - "never have so few - worried so much - about so little"

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Post by Ktronic1 on Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:07 pm

dboss wrote:
RosalieTCeltics wrote:Now I am totally confused!  I thought Gibson was ineligible, so who else would go? Nader?  I doubt that very much, not that I think he will be here next year but this year, he stays I think.

Signing Gibson is a bit confusing unless someone goes.  ???
Yes the Gibson signing is very confusing.  He can only play in the playoffs is someone is cut.

I guess the same scenario applys to Bird plus the need to convert his contract

If Given the choice I would probably cut Allen.

I dont think Allen is part of the 15 and is ineligible.
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Post by dboss on Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:21 pm

swish wrote:Churchill would have said - "never have so few - worried so much - about so little"

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Post by jrleftfoot on Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:43 pm

If anybody goes, I think it will be Nader. For what it`s worth, I think Bird is probably an upgrade over him.
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Post by worcester on Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:20 am

Def Bird over Nader IMHO.
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Post by mrkleen09 on Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:21 pm

Ktronic1 wrote:
I fault Brad with this loss. He could’ve gotten the info he wanted without losing the damn game.
Your thoughts?

No one cares about the last 3 games. Need to get into the playoffs with key players getting enough minutes to keep their rhythm, but not enough to be tired or risk injury.

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Post by RosalieTCeltics on Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:33 pm

Why Nader instead of Allen??? Nader has struggled these last couple of games, but, when he has gotten the chance he has helped some on defense and hit a few important baskets.  Allen, to me, has done nothing.  If anyone was to go, I would think it would be him.
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Post by sinus007 on Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:52 pm

Hi,
IMO, it doesn't matter who'll be left: Nader or Bird. It's just 3-5 minutes (if that) to give a breather to the starters.

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Post by mrkleen09 on Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:58 pm

Depends on the health of the front line players. As long as Rozier and Larkin are fully recovered, I think you see Nader get the slot. But there is no way you can run Point Guard by committee in the playoffs, so if either of those guys is hurt - you need to add Allen and leave Nader off the roster.
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Post by RosalieTCeltics on Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:08 pm

You never know when those guys who you say will get 3 to 5 mins a game may be called on for more than that. If Rozier's ankle causes him problems, you will see someone get some extra minutes. I am not saying they will start, not in the playoffs. If anything they will move Jaylen over and he will play extra minutes.

This is all a mute question, since Danny may decide to go with the players he has signed for the year. We have no grand illusions, this is going to be a struggle no matter what. Without Kyrie and Hayward and even Theis, who had become an integral part of the team, this is going to be hard. Monroe will get major minutes because he is a decent offensive threat. So we will see what happens on Thursday after the regular season has ended and he will have to make those decisions. In the meantime I hope Bird and even Gibson, show us what they are capable of.
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Post by sinus007 on Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:36 pm

Rosalie and Mrkleen,
You're right. If we go to "what if" situation.
For now the first 9 are "up and running". I doubt that Brad involves anyone beyond that unless it's a blowout or one of those 9 goes down.

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Re: Playoff minutes

Post by dboss on Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:31 pm

Nadar would be gone.  We probably could have won 55 yesterday but he comes in and looks horrible.  

Nadar is very limited.  Bird on the other hand is so much more athletic and knows how to finish at the rim.  Defensively he is quicker than Nadar and he looks to be a more reliable shooter from the outside


Nadar looks like he is playing in quicksand.

You have to make the most of your opportunities.  Unfortunately Nadar has not done that.
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Post by wideclyde on Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:10 pm

I think that I agree with Rosalie's assessment of Nader more than I can jump on him because he has not been especially sharp in the last couple of games.

He has been rostered all season and has not even been sent to Maine (I don't think), has played little bits here and there, has not killed the team in any way, but still may have a long, up hill battle to make next year's team. I would say that he has been just about what we all should have expected from such a late draft pick two years ago.

I do not understand the situation with Gibson or roster space for the playoffs, but I kind of think that he stays on the roster for the playoffs this season as I don't see Ainge waiving him at this time.

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Post by dboss on Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:24 pm

Nadar is a srub.
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Post by sinus007 on Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:26 pm

wideclyde wrote:

I do not understand the situation with Gibson or roster space for the playoffs, but I kind of think that he stays on the roster for the playoffs this season as I don't see Ainge waiving him at this time.

Wideclyde,
AFAIK, since we have 15 players on the roster, the 2-way contract players (Allen, Bird) aren't eligible to play in playoffs, nor are Hardship Relieve players (Gibson). Unless DA cuts one or more players out of those 15.

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Post by RosalieTCeltics on Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:27 pm

I believe that I read a story about Nader at the beginning of the season. He had a deal with Danny that if he stayed up in Maine last year that he would get his shot this year. Remember, he was an award winner up there in Maine last year, I believe offensive player of the year??? So I will be shocked if he goes. This is a crazy subject, we probably would not even be talking about it if Bird had not had a couple of super games and Gibson came in and hit a few 3's.

Maybe Swish is right, much ado about thing. Ha Ha. We all need something to talk about. I am willing to bet this decision was made a long time ago
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