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Post by worcester on Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:07 am

Jaylen starts the game white hot, scoring 21 points in the first quarter. Brad then sits him for the first 8 minutes of the 2nd quarter and then he only gets one shot attempt thereafter. Then in the 3rd quarter Jaylen only gets 2 shot attempts. Jaylen goes 24 minutes with only 3 shot attempts in the second and third quarters while players much less efficient take gads of shots; we fall behind, lose all our previous momentum, then lose the game. Plays are run for Baynes, Al, Morris, Terry - but not for Jaylen. Why ice your best active roster player? Why ice your hot hand? Would Larry Bird ever have been iced like this? Jordan? This makes no sense. Even worse, Brad has done this repeatedly during the season after Jaylen has had big first quarters. Brad either sits Jaylen or has the ball move to where Jaylen is not. This is very bad coaching, Brad's blind spot. He does not see how messed up this is, and he does it again and again and again. Jaylen leads the team in scoring per touches and is second in scoring overall. In fact he even leads Steph Curry in scoring per touches, yet Brad sets up the offense where Jaylen is either denied the ball or must sit out important minutes, only to get reinserted into the game during the 4th Q when we are far behind. Jaylen is 8th on this roster in touches per game. That is INSANE!

INSANE!

Brad is a fine coach, but he is mismanaging Jaylen.
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Post by wideclyde on Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:12 am

worcester,

I have also wondered about Brown not being a bigger part of the offense in games where he gets off to at least a decent start in the game. Last night with Brown getting 21 first quarter points and then not being a bigger part of the offense was very, very visible.

At this time of the year, perhaps there was a conscious thought to not over playing Brown or even trying to get other guys a bit more ready for the playoffs? But, I agree that Brown needs more and not fewer touches on the nights that he gets off to a good start.

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Post by bobheckler on Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:33 am

Jaylen was 6-9, 5-7 from 3 for 21 points in the 1st quarter.  He played all 12 minutes.

At halftime he had played 16 minutes, 4 in the 2nd quarter.  He was 6-10, so he went 0-1 in 4 minutes.  After playing all 12 in the 1st he might have needed a longer rest.

He played 23 minutes after 3, so another 7 minutes of the 12 minute 3rd quarter.  That is a reasonable amount of time to play in a quarter in a game that means nothing for us, I think, especially if Brad was saving him for the final frame.  He was 6-11 after 3, 23 points.  So, in the 11 minutes he played after the initial 12, he was 0-2 for 2 points.

He played a total of 32 minutes.  Those are solid starter minutes, the last 9 of which were in the final 12 minutes and is more than the 30.9mpg he has averaged this year.  He ended up 8-18, meaning he went 2-7 in these minutes.  In short, he went cold.  He's not Russell Westbrook or KD or even Klay Thompson (yet) who will string together 4 quarters of blistering shooting because that's who they are.  Jaylen still is a defensive-oriented player, and that's a good thing.  We need him to replace Avery Bradley, and that is a tall order in itself, we didn't ask him to replace Gordon Hayward.


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Post by cowens/oldschool on Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:44 am

bobheckler wrote:Jaylen was 6-9, 5-7 from 3 for 21 points in the 1st quarter.  He played all 12 minutes.

At halftime he had played 16 minutes, 4 in the 2nd quarter.  He was 6-10, so he went 0-1 in 4 minutes.  After playing all 12 in the 1st he might have needed a longer rest.

He played 23 minutes after 3, so another 7 minutes of the 12 minute 3rd quarter.  That is a reasonable amount of time to play in a quarter in a game that means nothing for us, I think, especially if Brad was saving him for the final frame.  He was 6-11 after 3, 23 points.  So, in the 11 minutes he played after the initial 12, he was 0-2 for 2 points.

He played a total of 32 minutes.  Those are solid starter minutes, the last 9 of which were in the final 12 minutes and is more than the 30.9mpg he has averaged this year.  He ended up 8-18, meaning he went 2-7 in these minutes.  In short, he went cold.  He's not Russell Westbrook or KD or even Klay Thompson (yet) who will string together 4 quarters of blistering shooting because that's who they are.  Jaylen still is a defensive-oriented player, and that's a good thing.  We need him to replace Avery Bradley, and that is a tall order in itself, we didn't ask him to replace Gordon Hayward.


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He missed a lefty lay up and lefty dunk, 2 finishes I would tell him to take anytime. If he converts those, he’s 4-7 and finishes with 31 points....usually with our full roster minus Hayward he doesn’t get enough shots, he moves the ball, he’s not Morris. For us to go far in the playoffs, he’s gonna have to have an increased scoring role.
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Re: Brad's use of Jaylen confounds me.

Post by worcester on Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:41 am

Bob, The issue is not that Jaylen does not get enough minutes. It's when he gets those minutes and the touches afforded him during those minutes.He had a HOT hand in the first quarter. Then he sat  - clock time - for about 40 minutes thereafter including half time - with only 1 touch and 4 minutes of playing time - and then in the 3rd quarter he only had two touches. That's why he went cold. Wouldn't you? That is not how to handle a hot hand, and Brad has done that repeatedly to Jaylen. Bottom line- plays are orchestrated for 7 players on the roster ahead of Jaylen. He is EIGHTH in touches. Does that make sense? He has been getting less touches with Kyrie and Marcus on IR. Does that make sense? What happens to his touches when Gordon, Kyrie, and Marcus come back?
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Post by mulcogiseng on Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:26 am

For me, the problem started when he played Jaylen the entire first quarter. It threw the whole substitution pattern out the window. If he had taken Brown out around the 8 minute mark it would have made a whole lot more sense to me.

This isn't an isolated situation. Brad mishandles the bench on a regular basis. BRAD IS NOT ABOVE CRITICISM! He has to take his lumps just like everyone else even if he is the second best coach in the NBA and perhaps the best after a time out.

Tatum needs to be handled better too, IMO. Brad's calling card states that he coaches best when he puts the players in position to play to their strengths. He is not really doing that for the 2Js.

I think that his whole ball movement oriented offense needs major tweaking. When the ball stops moving, the offense breaks down. We've all seen it, we've all commented on it. Why does it happen and happen so frequently? Because Brad isn't all THAT, not yet, anyway. One of the problems is how the Celtics get into their offense. We have a point guard problem and we have had one since Rondo was sent packing.

Kyrie, like IT before him, is ball dominant, because he can do so much on his own. But that doesn't really help the other guys out, does it?

TRo is a point guard but he is a find my shot first kind of player. That style of play has its place, esp when the offense is sputtering. TRo can get things moving. He can also miss several shots in a row and turn the ball over bringing the O to a halt.

Smart, as I've said many times before is a combo guard and not a point guard. His ball handling and play making has improved but he can't shoot. He is a defensive specialist and is only as successful as he is because of the tremendous effort he brings that masks his deficiencies as an all around player. It hasn't been uncommon this season for TRo and Marcus to miss shot after shot and have several turn overs during a span of 5-8 minutes that brings all good things to a screeching halt.

Somehow our 4th point guard is our purest pg in terms of how he plays and makes his team mates better. Shane was a great pick up. One long standing problem with our point guard play is that they are all too short for the modern NBA.

The Celtics have done a tremendous job overcoming injury after injury after injury after...But players could have been used better from the start of the season. I'm not complaining, I'm just being a little critical in the hopes that what I see as deficiencies can be corrected for the future. One never knows what one really has until the wheels start coming off and adversity becomes what must be dealt with. The Celtics have done an excellent job of dealing with adversity. But two weeks ago we still could have ended up with 60 wins and possible the #1 seed.

This team is so close to championship level that only multiple injuries to key players could have derailed this year's bid. AND IT IS STILL POSSIBLE THAT THIS TEAM WILL GO TO THE ECF'S AND PLAY FOR A CHAMPIONSHIP THIS SEASON. That is amazing.

But Brad needs to substitute better and he has to turn the green light off of unlimited 3 point shooting by those who can't hit on a consistent basis. Brad can and will be a much better coach in the future. Afterall, he ain't half bad now.

This has been the kind of year characterized by players and fans bleeding green since the five minute mark of the season. It's been the kind of season where I am proud to be a Celtics fan and wear the green on more than St Paddy's Day. But the best part is that today marks the end of the regular season.

It's Playoff Time, BABY!

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Post by sinus007 on Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:28 am

Hi,
You also have to take into account that in the 2nd and 3rd quarters (I didn't watch the 4th but suspect it was the same) Beal and Oubre were velcro'd to JB. So, not much he could do.

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Post by worcester on Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:42 am

Excellent analysis Mulcogiseng.

Sinus, In the 2nd Jaylen was mostly not on the floor. In the third he often was isolated on the other end of the floor pretty much all by himself.

Anyways, that is past and hopefully Brad watches film and learns during the off season how better to use both J's.
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Post by swish on Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:46 am

sinus007 wrote:Hi,
You also have to take into account that in the 2nd and 3rd quarters (I didn't watch the 4th but suspect it was the same) Beal and Oubre were velcro'd to JB. So, not much he could do.

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I also wonder what role the defense had on his cooling off - after all coaches do make defensive changes and I would like to hear what the Wizzard coach has to say on this matter.

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Post by dboss on Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:15 pm

After the game last night I was thinking about this as well.

I do not have a problem with him playing most of the 1st quarter.   He was red hot.  Horford also play most of the 1st QTR.

The problem that I have is the way Jaylen was underutilized in the 2nd half.  The fact is Jaylen was a secondary option on offense but he should have been the primary option.  Jaylen is quickly approaching a level where he can carry this team on offense.  While he got buried in the offense the combination of Morris, Rozier, Tatum, Baynes and Horford shot 9/39.  

Moving forward, this team can not afford for their primary scorers to shoot so poorly.

The other thing I want to mention is that playing Larkin 21 MPG is a major problem.  He remains a feisty sob and had 3 steals but the bigger picture is disturbing.  He is too small to switch on defense and he is not going to provide any consistent measure of offense for you.  But Brad has few options.  Terry cannot play 48 minutes so he needs to have someone else bring the ball up and run the offense.  I also do not like the pairing of Rozier and Larkin together.  That backcourt is way too small and does not compliment one another.

There is no immediate solution for this but I would prefer to give Tatum the ball instead of Larkin.  We obviously miss Kyrie but we also miss Smart.  I am just not sure we can get out of the first round without Smart.  

I was also perplexed that Bird did not get in the game until the final 3 minutes.  With Smart sidelined Bird could backup Brown at the two which would provide more defensive wing depth when Jaylen gets a blow.  

Overall I thought this was a poorly coached game.

Without our Swiss Army Knife (Marcus Smart) we are in big trouble.

I do not know how Danny can make a decision about the final playoff roster if neither Nadar or Bird get to play.
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Post by mrkleen09 on Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:10 pm

I am surprised that after 81 games (actually 409 games), people are still getting into granular conversations around questioning Brad Stevens on individual players minutes. But more power to you.

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Post by worcester on Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:43 pm

Brad is a fine coach, but he has some flaws and has NEVER won anything yet. He's learning, and if not, then God help the Celtics. I trust that he will improve. Progress, not perfection.
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Post by NYCelt on Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:52 pm

worcester wrote:Brad is a fine coach, but he has some flaws and has NEVER won anything yet. He's learning, and if not, then God help the Celtics. I trust that he will improve. Progress, not perfection.

A true and fair statement.
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Post by dboss on Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:09 pm

mrkleen09 wrote:I am surprised that after 81 games (actually 409 games), people are still getting into granular conversations around questioning Brad Stevens on individual players minutes.  But more power to you.

He should be scrutinized.  It does not mean we do not love him as a coach for this team.
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Post by swish on Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:35 pm

I just wonder why we the fans, without all the real time facts that the players and management have, should be passing judgement on real time decisions. Maybe it's just a traditionally fashionable think for fans to do.

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Post by worcester on Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:51 pm

Very excellent use of the English language Swish, conveying two points at once:

"a traditionally fashionable think for fans to do."
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Post by Ktronic1 on Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:06 pm

bobheckler wrote:Jaylen was 6-9, 5-7 from 3 for 21 points in the 1st quarter.  He played all 12 minutes.

At halftime he had played 16 minutes, 4 in the 2nd quarter.  He was 6-10, so he went 0-1 in 4 minutes.  After playing all 12 in the 1st he might have needed a longer rest.

He played 23 minutes after 3, so another 7 minutes of the 12 minute 3rd quarter.  That is a reasonable amount of time to play in a quarter in a game that means nothing for us, I think, especially if Brad was saving him for the final frame.  He was 6-11 after 3, 23 points.  So, in the 11 minutes he played after the initial 12, he was 0-2 for 2 points.

He played a total of 32 minutes.  Those are solid starter minutes, the last 9 of which were in the final 12 minutes and is more than the 30.9mpg he has averaged this year.  He ended up 8-18, meaning he went 2-7 in these minutes.  In short, he went cold.  He's not Russell Westbrook or KD or even Klay Thompson (yet) who will string together 4 quarters of blistering shooting because that's who they are.  Jaylen still is a defensive-oriented player, and that's a good thing.  We need him to replace Avery Bradley, and that is a tall order in itself, we didn't ask him to replace Gordon Hayward.


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Bob, I have seen Brad do this with Jaylen and Jason during the season as well. It baffles me but I have complete confidence that coach knows the whats and whys behind his strategies.
I will admit that it frustrates me at times, especially when it costs us wins meaningful or not.
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Post by cowens/oldschool on Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:27 pm

mulcogiseng wrote: For me, the problem started when he played Jaylen the entire first quarter. It threw the whole substitution pattern out the window.  If he had taken Brown out around the 8 minute mark it would have made a whole lot more sense to me.

This isn't an isolated situation. Brad mishandles the bench on a regular basis. BRAD IS NOT ABOVE CRITICISM!  He has to take his lumps just like everyone else even if he is the second best coach in the NBA and perhaps the best after a time out.

Tatum needs to be handled better too, IMO. Brad's calling card states that he coaches best when he puts the players in position to play to their strengths. He is not really doing that for the 2Js.

I think that his whole ball movement oriented offense needs major tweaking. When the ball stops moving, the offense breaks down. We've all seen it, we've all commented on it. Why does it happen and happen so frequently? Because Brad isn't all THAT, not yet, anyway. One of the problems is how the Celtics get into their offense. We have a point guard problem and we have had one since Rondo was sent packing.



Kyrie, like IT before him, is ball dominant, because he can do so much on his own. But that doesn't really help the other guys out, does it?

TRo is a point guard but he is a find my shot first kind of player. That style of play has its place, esp when the offense is sputtering. TRo can get things moving. He can also miss several shots in a row and turn the ball over bringing the O to a halt.


Smart, as I've said many times before is a combo guard and not a point guard. His ball handling and play making has improved but he can't shoot. He is a defensive specialist and is only as successful as he is because of the tremendous effort he brings that masks his deficiencies as an all around player.  It hasn't been uncommon this season for TRo and Marcus to miss shot after shot and have several turn overs during a span of 5-8 minutes that brings all good things to a screeching halt.


Somehow our 4th point guard is our purest pg in terms of how he plays and makes his team mates better. Shane was a great pick up. One long standing problem with our point guard play is that they are all too short for the modern NBA.

The Celtics have done a tremendous job overcoming injury after injury after injury after...But players could have been used better from the start of the season. I'm not complaining, I'm just being a little critical in the hopes that what I see as deficiencies can be corrected for the future. One never knows what one really has
until the wheels start coming off and adversity becomes what must be dealt with. The Celtics have done an excellent job of dealing with adversity. But two weeks ago we still could have ended up with 60 wins and possible the #1 seed.

This team is so close to championship level that only multiple injuries to key players could have derailed this year's bid. AND IT IS STILL POSSIBLE THAT THIS TEAM WILL GO TO THE ECF'S AND PLAY FOR A CHAMPIONSHIP THIS SEASON. That is amazing.


But Brad needs to substitute better and he has to turn the green light off of unlimited 3 point shooting by those who can't hit on a consistent basis. Brad can and will be a much better coach in the future. Afterall, he ain't half bad now.

This has been the kind of year characterized by players and fans bleeding green since the five minute mark of the season. It's been the kind of season where I am proud to be a Celtics fan and wear the green on more than St Paddy's Day. But the best part is that today marks the end of the regular season.


It's Playoff Time, BABY!

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Good post I understand Oubre and Beal we’re covering Jaylen tight, so what? Brad should have had Jaylen post either one of them on the block and play bullyball. This is something Brad has got to do more as Jaylen can thrive ala Dominique/Bernard King in that style of play....Jaylen can be a match up nightmare down low.
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Post by k_j_88 on Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:36 pm

mrkleen09 wrote:I am surprised that after 81 games (actually 409 games), people are still getting into granular conversations around questioning Brad Stevens on individual players minutes.  But more power to you.


Lol, really? This isn't necessarily about "minutes," it's about "usage" (i.e. Jaylen Brown's usage within the context of the Celtics' offense). In other words, Jaylen sees a great deal of action earlier on in games but down the stretch he's not really a huge factor on offense. If Jaylen is our 2nd leading scorer (1st now with Kyrie out) then it stands to reason that we should be utilizing his talents more consistently. Clearly we aren't. Other posters have corroborated this with observations of Jaylen's usage as the game progresses.

I can't count how many times we've seen this pattern of the team going cold in crucial moments and losing very winnable games because we can't get the lid off the basket for 6-7 minutes. Why is our best scorer such a limited part of the offense during crunch time when he's obviously skilled enough to score in a multitude of ways?

Also, any assertion that Stevens should be spared any sort of criticism for his decision-making is asinine. Sure, he's a great coach, probably top 3 in the league. But he does make some noticeable errors. Why should we simply ignore these things when we witness them all season? I mean Stevens gets a great deal of credit for the success of his team, right? Shouldn't it also stand to reason that he receives some of the blame as well when the team underperforms? You can't have it both ways.


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Post by swish on Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:28 pm

Perhaps it's time for Brad to read this forum everyday so that he can pick up some tips on how to really coach. Obviously he and his staff just don't get it - and it's so simple.

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Post by RosalieTCeltics on Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:44 pm

Remember the games and time of the year you are mostly referring to.  It seems, once that 2nd spot was cemented, Brad started playing all different kinds of combinations.  I do agree, Jaylen is now one of the most important players, if not the most important , on the floor since we lost Kyrie.  His maturity alone makes him so valuable. He keeps his cool for the most part, is not a complainer so we don't see tech's flying his way.  The way his offense has come around is unbelievable.  

I think you will see him get 35 plus minutes a game in the playoffs. And I think he will thrive.  Brad knows this.  We can say all we want, but the decision is not ours to make! Just let's relish whatever time we have left this year and hope we shock the hell out of all those who have the shovels out to throw the dirt on us.
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Post by dboss on Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:59 pm

k_j_88 wrote:
mrkleen09 wrote:I am surprised that after 81 games (actually 409 games), people are still getting into granular conversations around questioning Brad Stevens on individual players minutes.  But more power to you.


Lol, really? This isn't necessarily about "minutes," it's about "usage" (i.e. Jaylen Brown's usage within the context of the Celtics' offense). In other words, Jaylen sees a great deal of action earlier on in games but down the stretch he's not really a huge factor on offense. If Jaylen is our 2nd leading scorer (1st now with Kyrie out) then it stands to reason that we should be utilizing his talents more consistently. Clearly we aren't. Other posters have corroborated this with observations of Jaylen's usage as the game progresses.

I can't count how many times we've seen this pattern of the team going cold in crucial moments and losing very winnable games because we can't get the lid off the basket for 6-7 minutes. Why is our best scorer such a limited part of the offense during crunch time when he's obviously skilled enough to score in a multitude of ways?

Also, any assertion that Stevens should be spared any sort of criticism for his decision-making is asinine. Sure, he's a great coach, probably top 3 in the league. But he does make some noticeable errors. Why should we simply ignore these things when we witness them all season? I mean Stevens gets a great deal of credit for the success of his team, right? Shouldn't it also stand to reason that he receives some of the blame as well when the team underperforms? You can't have it both ways.


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You know I can understand criticizing observations to dispel or temper them  But to take issue with criticizing coach Stevens and pretty much ignore the content and context of those observations is not really fair.

KJ, I completely agree with your thoughts on this.

 It is not some wierd abomination to criticize Brad or any other coach for that matter.
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Post by mrkleen09 on Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:20 am

Since clearly now we have two posters, dboss and KJ who want to take my quote, remove it from the context of this thread to try and make their point - lets put it back in context.

I was speaking in reference to a post a few before mine, where Bob laid out the FACTS very plainly, and to the overall fact that the entire premise of this thread is false.

bobheckler wrote:Jaylen was 6-9, 5-7 from 3 for 21 points in the 1st quarter.  He played all 12 minutes.

At halftime he had played 16 minutes, 4 in the 2nd quarter.  He was 6-10, so he went 0-1 in 4 minutes.  After playing all 12 in the 1st he might have needed a longer rest.

He played 23 minutes after 3, so another 7 minutes of the 12 minute 3rd quarter.  That is a reasonable amount of time to play in a quarter in a game that means nothing for us, I think, especially if Brad was saving him for the final frame.  He was 6-11 after 3, 23 points.  So, in the 11 minutes he played after the initial 12, he was 0-2 for 2 points.

He played a total of 32 minutes.  Those are solid starter minutes, the last 9 of which were in the final 12 minutes and is more than the 30.9mpg he has averaged this year.  He ended up 8-18, meaning he went 2-7 in these minutes.  In short, he went cold.  He's not Russell Westbrook or KD or even Klay Thompson (yet) who will string together 4 quarters of blistering shooting because that's who they are.  Jaylen still is a defensive-oriented player, and that's a good thing.  We need him to replace Avery Bradley, and that is a tall order in itself, we didn't ask him to replace Gordon Hayward.

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Bob showed you how this concern about Jaylen's usage - in the Wizards game in particular was off base - but if you go beyond Bob's analysis - and instead look at season long stats AND use your eyes, the idea that  Brad Stevens is mismanaging Jaylen Brown, is patently false.




Jaylen Brown's stats for first half vs second half are nearly identical.

He plays .6 less minutes in the second half
He shoots the same FG%, same FT%, same rebounds, same assists, same steals, same +/-
He averages 1 less point on 1 less shot.  ONE LESS SHOT.  Gentlemen, ONE LESS SHOT does not a conspiracy make.

The whole idea that Brad makes the same mistake in managing Jaylen "...again and again and again" is 100% fallacious. Brad manages him exactly the same in the first half as he does in the second. The numbers dont lie.  If he was freezing him out, or giving him less opportunities, or doing something different - the numbers would be different.  But they are not.

I am not saying Brad Stevens is above criticism, but if you are going to do so - at least pick a subject where the facts are on your side.
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Post by worcester on Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:11 am

Mrkleen, You have either questioned my intellect or my honor or both. Fortunately I have facts to back up my assertions, but first let's address the straw men issues that you have posed. Foremost, the issue is not with Jaylen's minutes in the Washington game! That is straw man. It's when they came, and there were very few in the 2nd quarter after he had been spectacularly hot. When he did get in he had but one shot attempt in the 2nd quarter and only 2 in the 3rd. Depriving a hot player the ball and having him sit on the bench for extended periods is a good way to chill a hot hand.

Another way is simply not to pass him the ball. For a coach to allow his offense to keep the ball away from the team's currently best offensive player is poor coaching. Misguided. Inefficient. NOT SMART. There, I've said it. Wonder boy coach Brad is at times not smart when making use of Jaylen's talents. Many times Jaylen has been hot in the first Q, and then does not get enough touches thereafter, because plays are then designed for others, not him. He does not get enough shot opportunities, plain and simple. That is not an accident. That is by design. Brad's design.

Consider this. Since the All Star Break Jaylen leads the league, the entire NBA in scoring efficiency per touches. Better than Durant, Klay Thompson, and Steph. Jaylen shot 47.4% from three and 79.4% from the free throw line since the ASB. And with Marcus Smart and Kyrie out of the lineup, Brad STILL reduced Jaylen's touches, despite offensive efficiency that is statistically on a par with Bird and Jordan at their finest.
Post ASB touches per game:
Rozier 77.7
Al 57.4
Morris 48.9
Tatum 45.5
Monroe 43.5
Brown 37.2.

Wrap your mind around that.

Yet Jaylen still led the team in scoring since the ASB. Someone who is eighth on the Celts in touches overall this year and sixth since the departure of Kyrie and Smart.

Stop, please, anyone and everyone, who thinks Jaylen is being shown the respect he deserves as an offensive player. Even Max concurred with this opinion during the Wizards broadcast.

The only reasonable explanation I can conjure is that Brad must have caught Jaylen sleeping with Brad's wife. Otherwise, this makes no sense to me.
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Post by cowens/oldschool on Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:33 am

worcester wrote:Mrkleen, You have either questioned my intellect or my honor or both. Fortunately I have facts to back up my assertions, but first let's address the straw men issues that you have posed. Foremost, the issue is not with Jaylen's minutes in the Washington game! That is  straw man.  It's when they came, and there were very few in the 2nd quarter after he had been spectacularly hot. When he did get in he had but one shot attempt in the 2nd quarter and only 2 in the 3rd. Depriving a hot player the ball and having him sit on the bench for extended periods is a good way to chill a hot hand.

Another way is simply not to pass him the ball. For a coach to allow his offense to keep the ball away from the team's currently best offensive player is poor coaching. Misguided. Inefficient. NOT SMART. There, I've said it. Wonder boy coach Brad is at times not smart when making use of Jaylen's talents. Many times Jaylen has been hot in the first Q, and then does not get enough touches thereafter, because plays are then designed for others, not him. He does not get enough shot opportunities, plain and simple. That is not an accident. That is by design. Brad's design.

Consider this. Since the All Star Break Jaylen leads the league, the entire NBA in scoring efficiency per touches. Better than Durant, Klay Thompson, and Steph. Jaylen shot 47.4% from three and 79.4% from the free throw line since the ASB. And with Marcus Smart and Kyrie out of the lineup, Brad STILL reduced Jaylen's touches, despite offensive efficiency that is statistically on a par with Bird and Jordan at their finest.
Post ASB touches per game:
Rozier 77.7

Al 57.4
Morris 48.9
Tatum 45.5
Monroe 43.5
Brown 37.2.

Wrap your mind around that.


Yet Jaylen still led the team in scoring since the ASB. Someone who is eighth on the Celts in touches overall this year and sixth since the departure of Kyrie and Smart.

Stop, please, anyone and everyone, who thinks Jaylen is being shown the respect he deserves as an offensive player. Even Max concurred with this opinion during the Wizards broadcast.



The only reasonable explanation I can conjure is that Brad must have caught Jaylen sleeping with Brad's wife. Otherwise, this makes no sense to me.


Great post worse, you backed up what my eyes have been seeing with legit stats. We’ve all heard the saying feed the hot hand, takes over a game, ride the horse....it’s all gonna happen with Jaylen, he’s gonna be the next Kawhi.
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