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Post by kdp59 on Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:37 am

10-time All-Star Paul Pierce has just come out with a theory that will not make New Orleans Pelicans supporters happy. According to the 40-year-old former NBA champion turned basketball analysts, he strongly believes that the Pelicans will end up dealing centerpiece star Anthony Davis to the Los Angeles Lakers if the Pelicans perform below expectations in the upcoming season. Pierce shared his bold claim on ESPN’s The Jump. – via Clutch Points
Top Rumors, Anthony Davis, Paul Pierce, Los Angeles Lakers, New Orleans Pelicans

Storyline: Anthony Davis to Lakers?
Paul Pierce: “If things don’t go well in New Orleans this year and they’re hovering around 500 or not looking like a playoff team, Boston’s going to make a run at him or the Lakers,” said Pierce. “I guarantee you that. He will not be in New Orleans by the end of the year. If they’re not playing well he will not make it to All-Star weekend.” – via Clutch Points



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Post by sinus007 on Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:53 am

Hi,
I guess PP went into Prediction-land.
It's a known fact that AD and KI can't play in Boston until the next season, so I can't imagine Danny is going to swap them - all indication are for KI staying in Green.
As for LAL, I can't imagine what combination of players they can offer and NO would accept for AD. I wonder if Lebron has no-trade clause Cool Cool Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

I think he's much better at analyzing play-by-play...

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Post by kdp59 on Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:48 am

sinus007 wrote:Hi,
I guess PP went into Prediction-land.
It's a known fact that AD and KI can't play in Boston until the next season, so I can't imagine Danny is going to swap them - all indication are for KI staying in Green.

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I'm not sure I understand this part, what is the known fact about AD ( Anthony Davis I Assume) and KI ( Kyrie Irving) and where they could play?

I mean Danny could trade Hayward for Davis even up and it works for the salary cap rules. I know no one thinks he should do that deal and to make it happen Danny would have to send the Kings pick, the Clippers or Memphis pick and one of our won picks to make it happen...but it COULD work.
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Post by dboss on Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:56 am

I figured it would not be long before rhe AD trade idea popped up.

AD of course still has 2 years plus a option for a 3rd year.

He is a franchise player and one to build a team sround. I do not see NOLA throwing in the towel this season.

However Danny should contact them this year given the abundance of draft picks.

I have 3 do not trade guys. They include Irving and the 2 J's. Boston has a lot to offer to get AD.

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Post by dboss on Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:58 am

kdp59 wrote:
sinus007 wrote:Hi,
I guess PP went into Prediction-land.
It's a known fact that AD and KI can't play in Boston until the next season, so I can't imagine Danny is going to swap them - all indication are for KI staying in Green.

AK


I'm not sure I understand this part, what is the known fact about AD ( Anthony Davis I Assume) and KI ( Kyrie Irving) and where they could play?

I mean Danny could trade Hayward for Davis even up and it works for the salary cap rules. I know no one thinks he should do that deal and to make it happen Danny would have to send the Kings pick, the Clippers or Memphis pick and one of  our won picks to make it happen...but it COULD work.

But would the salaries work if Hayward was the guy that gets traded?
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Post by kdp59 on Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:59 am

yes the salary works for the cap rules.
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Post by sinus007 on Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:26 pm

kdp59 wrote:
sinus007 wrote:Hi,
I guess PP went into Prediction-land.
It's a known fact that AD and KI can't play in Boston until the next season, so I can't imagine Danny is going to swap them - all indication are for KI staying in Green.

AK


I'm not sure I understand this part, what is the known fact about AD ( Anthony Davis I Assume) and KI ( Kyrie Irving) and where they could play?

I mean Danny could trade Hayward for Davis even up and it works for the salary cap rules. I know no one thinks he should do that deal and to make it happen Danny would have to send the Kings pick, the Clippers or Memphis pick and one of  our won picks to make it happen...but it COULD work.

Kdp,
AD's (Anthony Davis, you're right) and KI's contracts fall under this:
The CBA prevents a team from having two players on the same roster that were acquired via trade that had previously signed a contract extension under what is called the 5th Year 30% Max criteria. This criteria is commonly referred to as the “Rose Rule”, as Derrick Rose was the first place to make use of it.

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Re: Pierce says Lakers or Celtics may get Davis by trade deadline

Post by kdp59 on Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:01 pm

thanks..I never heard of that rule!

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Post by kdp59 on Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:07 pm

from Wiki

A Designated Player coming off his rookie contract may be eligible to earn 30% of the salary cap (rather than the standard 25%) if he passes certain criteria. Through the 2017–18 season, in order to be eligible, the player must be voted to start in two All-Star Games, or be named to an All-NBA Team twice (at any level), or be named MVP. Officially titled the "5th Year 30% Max Criteria",[32] it has been dubbed (and is more commonly known as) the "Derrick Rose Rule" after the 2011 MVP,[33] due to the fact that when the criteria were introduced, Rose was the only player in the NBA eligible to sign the maximum extension (due to his MVP award).[34] The reasoning for the rule is to suitably reward players being extended off of their rookie contract who are considered to be of a higher "caliber" than their peers, without restricting them to the lower (25%) salary level.[35] A player may sign a "5th Year, 30% Max" contract before the final year of his rookie contract and before fulfilling the criteria needed to receive the 30% salary grade. Should the player fail to fulfil the criteria before the start of his Designated Player contract, he will receive the standard five-year, 25% Designated Player contract. James Harden of the Houston Rockets and Anthony Davis of the New Orleans Pelicans had such a clause in their contract extensions, but both failed to meet the criteria.[36] The only player in the NBA who was attempting to qualify for a full 30% contract in 2013–14 was Paul George, who signed a provisional 30%/5 year contract in September 2013. George, who had made the All-NBA third team in 2012–13,[37] qualified by again making the All-NBA third team.[38]

The 2017 CBA changed the qualification criteria for "5th Year, 30% Max" contracts. Players who come off rookie contracts at the end of the 2017–18 season, or later, must meet any of the following criteria to qualify:[39]

Selection to an All-NBA team (at any level) in the player's fourth season, or in two of the three seasons between his second and fourth seasons.
Selection as Defensive Player of the Year in the player's fourth season, or in two of the three seasons between his second and fourth seasons.
Selection as MVP in any season from the player's second onward.
These criteria are identical to those for the veteran player extensions introduced in the 2017 CBA. Had these criteria been part of the 2011 CBA, Rose would still have qualified for a 30% contract, as he was in his third NBA season when he was named MVP.

5/30% Contracts
The following players have signed 5 year/30% contracts:[32]

Derrick Rose (signed with the Chicago Bulls; was later traded to the New York Knicks during the last year on that deal) until 2017 (qualified by winning the 2011 MVP award) [40]
Blake Griffin (signed with the L.A. Clippers; was later traded to the Detroit Pistons in 2018) signed through 2018 (qualified by making the All-NBA second team in 2011–12 and 2012–13)
Paul George (signed with Indiana Pacers; since has been traded to the Oklahoma City Thunder) signed until 2019 (qualified by making the All-NBA third team in 2012–13 and 2013–14)[37][38]

5/25% Contracts
In addition the following players are known to have signed 5 year/25% contracts:[32]

Joel Embiid (Philadelphia 76ers) until 2023
Russell Westbrook (Oklahoma City Thunder) until 2017
Anthony Davis (New Orleans Pelicans) until 2021
John Wall (Washington Wizards) until 2019[41]
James Harden (Houston Rockets) until 2018
Kyrie Irving (Boston Celtics) until 2020
Damian Lillard (Portland Trail Blazers) until 2021

Kevin Love was eligible for a designated player contract, but the Minnesota Timberwolves opted[42] for a 4-year contract (with a player option year included, potentially allowing him to become an unrestricted free agent) instead.[43] During Kevin Durant's final five seasons with the Oklahoma City Thunder (2011–2016), he received a Designated Player level salary. His contract was initially drawn up before the lockout—during which the Derrick Rose Rule was implemented—but was officially approved under the provisions of the 2005 CBA[44] by the NBA after the lockout. This led some people[45] to question whether the Thunder had (with NBA approval) effectively signed two players as their Designated Player, as both were contracted for 5 years.


I might have missed where it said only one player can be on the same team OR it may simply not be on the Wiki  page. but I would note that OKC had both Westbrook and George on the team last year.
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Re: Pierce says Lakers or Celtics may get Davis by trade deadline

Post by KyleCleric on Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:51 pm

Once Kyrie is off of this contract, we can then add Davis

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Post by dboss on Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:01 pm

KyleCleric wrote:Once Kyrie is off of this contract, we can then add Davis

Gee the Celtics should let Davis know about him being added
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Re: Pierce says Lakers or Celtics may get Davis by trade deadline

Post by wideclyde on Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:33 pm

I am not sure that I could not come up with a similar type prediction as Paul Pierce did with this Anthony Davis idea. I did play in the Y league for almost 20 years so I may also be qualified as a "predictor of major trades", too??

Just for fun, in fact, here is a prediction of mine-----Celtics trade Jaylen Brown to the Detroit Pistons for their next 12 second round picks.

At least Mr. Pierce was a very good player.

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