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Post by 112288 on Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:28 pm

THE LIGHT BULB FINALLY WENT ON!!!!!! NOW THAT IS CELTIC BASKETBALL

The Celtics became a team tonight...they stepped up like men and took the game to OKC. We may look back as one of the key game of the season that turned the season around.

Tonight Jeff Green became a team leader........as I said in my post to Sam.....Green had to just play with "I don't give a crap attitude"....and he did just that. No tension ...no worry...his game was smooth and outstanding!!!!! Good job Jeff....keep it going!!!!

The Jet had another strong game as did Pierce with 27 pts....but made some bone head plays down the stretch especially taking a 3 pter when we needed to drive the paint...and a few TO's as well.

We narrowed the rebound deficit OKC -40 - Celtics - 36.
Points in the paint is still a troubling area OKC - 46 - CELTICS - 36
Nice to see the Celtics cut down OKC shooting percentage to 46.8% while we shot 48.8%


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POST GAME RECAP

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FAST BREAK: JEFF GREEN SCORES 17 AS CELTICS BEAT THUNDER
By DJ Bean

Jeff Green had a good time against his old team Friday night as the Celtics beat the Thunder, 108-100, at TD Garden Friday night.

Green, who was playing against the Thunder for the first time since being traded to the C’s in February of 2011 in a deal that sent Kendrick Perkins to Oklahoma City, contributed 17 points off the bench for the Celtics. His points were a season-high, as his previous best this season was a 16-point performance against the Jazz on Nov. 14.

Paul Pierce also had a big night for the C’s, as his 27 points tied his season high. Kevin Durant led all scorers with 29 points.

Much of the damage was done in the second and third quarters for the Celtics, as they entered the second quarter trailing, 28-21, before outscoring Oklahoma City 27-17 and 29-20 in the second and third quarters, respectively. The C’s had to fend off a strong fourth quarter from Oklahoma City as the game came down to the wire, but a three-pointer from Jason Terry with 36.7 seconds helped secure the victory for Boston.

The win put the C’s back over .500 with a 7-6 record. Boston had lost two straight entering the contest. The Celtics will next travel to Orlando to face the Magic on Sunday.

WHAT WENT RIGHT

- Rajon Rondo extended his streak of games with 10 or more assists to 36. Rondo picked up his 10th of the night early in the third quarter when he assisted a Jason Terry three -pointer that made it a 58-49 contest in favor of the Celtics. He finished the night with 16 assists.

Rondo’s streak is the third-longest in NBA history, and he can tie John Stockton’s 1989 streak with his 37th such game on Sunday against the Magic in Orlando. Magic Johnson holds the NBA record with 46 games with 10 or more assists.

- The C’s went on a 7-2 run to close the Thunder’s lead when Jared Sullinger came off the bench early in the second quarter. Oklahoma City took a full timeout after Sullinger picked up a rare offensive rebound for the C’s and put in a layup to make it 32-30. Following the timeout, Sullinger answered a Nick Collison layup by knocking down a 20-foot jumper to keep it a two-point game.

- The Celtics were helped during their second-quarter comeback by a Kevin Durant charge that made for the Thunder star’s third foul of the night. Durant came out of the game, and from there the C’s outscored the Thunder, 16-9, until halftime. That included Boston taking the lead, as a 3-pointer from Rajon Rondo followed by a defensive rebound allowed Chris Wilcox to score and give the C’s a 39-38 lead. Boston had trailed by as many as nine, but held a three-point lead (48-45) at the half.

- How about a team-best plus-15 for Leandro Barbosa? In 11 minutes, the guard contributed no points, a rebound and two assists, but the results were there for the C’s when he was on the floor.

WHAT WENT WRONG

- The Celtics allowed 100 or more points for the sixth time this season. Last season, they had allowed their opponents to hit the century mark just twice in their first 31 games. Friday’s contest was the first game the C’s had won in which they allowed that many points, as they were 0-5 entering Friday in games in which their opponent scored 100.

- The Celtics created more of a presence inside, as the C’s matched Oklahoma City’s first-half points in the paint with 22, but in the end were outscored in the paint as a team for the third consecutive game (the Thunder held a 46-36 advantage in the paint). In their previous two games, the Celtics were outscored in the paint 58-34 against the Spurs and 44-30 against the Pistons.

- Kevin Garnett had a rather quiet night offensively for for the first three quarters, as he had just six points entering the fourth. Garnett turned it on in the fourth, adding 11 more points to give him 17 on the night. Garnett also finished the contest with a plus-14.
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Rapid reaction: Celtics 108, Thunder 100

By Chris Forsberg | ESPNBoston.com

BOSTON -- Rapid reaction after the Boston Celtics defeated the Oklahoma City Thunder 108-100 on Friday night at TD Garden:

THE NITTY GRITTY
Paul Pierce matched a season-high with 27 points on 8-of-16 shooting (4 of 6 beyond the arc) while adding four rebounds, three steals, and an assist over 31 minutes to pace the Celtics. Jason Terry added to the 3-point outburst, making 4-of-6 triples of his own (including a big one in crunch time) while kicking in 16 points. Rajon Rondo added six points, 16 assists, and eight rebounds, while Jeff Green added a season-high 17 points off the bench. Kevin Durant scored a game-high 29 points on 9-of-20 shooting, while Russell Westbrook added 26 points, 8 assists, and 7 rebounds for the Thunder.

GOOD IN GREEN
Green tried to downplay going up against his former team for the first time, but it was clear he had some extra pep in his step. With Pierce in early foul trouble, Green responded with eight points over an eight-minute stint. Later, he keyed the third-quarter run that broke the game open (see below) and finished with a season-high six field goals as part of the 17-point effort.

TURNING POINT
The Celtics were up two (66-64) with little more than two minutes to go in the third quarter before closing out the frame on a feverish 11-1 burst. Jared Sullinger lit the fuse with a tip-in and Courtney Lee added a runner before seven straight points from Green, including an and-one layup as the lead ballooned to 13 before a Kevin Martin free throw gave the Celtics a 77-65 cushion headed to the final frame (it was nearly more when Green's 37-foot heave at the buzzer nearly came close to dropping).

BENCH DOES ITS PART
Boston's reserves were exactly what this team needs on a consistent basis. In addition to Green's offensive outburst, Sullinger (4 of 6, 8 points) and Chris Wilcox (3 of 3, 6 points) were efficient and played with great intensity; Courtney Lee and Leandro Barbosa struggled with their shots, but combined for five assists to help facilitate the offense when Rondo was off the court.

STREAKWATCH: 36 FOR RONDO
Rondo pushed his double-digit assist streak to 36 games, picking up No. 10 a mere 1:18 into the second half when he fed Paul Pierce for a 3-pointer. Rondo can tie Utah's John Stockton for the second longest streak in league history on Sunday in Orlando as he makes progress towards Magic Johnson's all-time record of 46 games.

WHAT IT MEANS
It wasn't always pretty and it certainly wasn't as easy as it could have been, but the Celtics fended off Oklahoma City's late charge and emerged with a crucial win. In danger of dipping below .500, Boston responded with increased intensity at both ends of the floor (even while giving up triple digits yet again). Green will get most of the headlines for his work against his former team, but Pierce was captain-like while putting this team on his shoulders at key moments. The Celtics will utilize the offday on Saturday to travel to Orlando, where they'll meet old friends E'Twaun Moore and Glen Davis on Sunday at the Amway Center.

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Re: POST GAME OKC

Post by beat on Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:43 am

Nice to win and at least hold our own on the boards. Also helps when you shoot well and nearly 50% from three....
but our defense was a turnstile in letting them into the lane for layup after layup. That must improve.

Again it's a win against a very good team. Hit some clutch shots when needed.

Now can we pick up the D a little....... and rebound as well next game?

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Re: POST GAME OKC

Post by dboss on Sat Nov 24, 2012 11:56 am

When Avery returns the defense will improve.

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Re: POST GAME OKC

Post by sam on Sat Nov 24, 2012 12:01 pm

Beat,

As far as layups go, OKC will always get their share because Durant and Westbrook are so good at penetration. But, when KG was in there, I thought that the Celtics did a good job of covering the perimeter (except when Durant extended the perimeter to 35 feet) and then collapsing to swarm the lane when the ball went inside. It was mainly in KG's absence that the layups became more of an epidemic.

As I watched that happen, I was struck by the fact that this sort of thing could happen all season long unless something is done to get another big who can (1) defend the basket reasonably well while KG is not in there and (2) combine with KG to deny layups in the clutch. That seems unlikely to happen at least until more of the Celtics' trading chips become eligible for trade.

If they continue swarming like that (it has been a defensive trademark in past seasons but not this one), and as more and more of the newer players get the hang of it, I'm hoping their defensive rebounding efficiency will improve over time. We should also take note that, without compromising their transition defense (only 9 fast break points for the Thunder), the Celtics also got 8 offensive rebounds, which tied the Thunder in that category.

Of course, all of these factors (and others) benefit from old-fashioned energy, and I thought the Celts had more energy last night than at any previous point in the season. It was manifested in many ways; but, instead of dwelling on the most "usual suspects," I focused on a couple of guys who have struggled on and off. Courtney Lee couldn't hit a three to save his life, but he continued to dig and dig—running a lane for one of the prettiest, most classic fast break finishes of the young season, scoring on an extremely clever drive to the hoop, handing out three assists, making a steal, and being one of the guys who held Martin to 3 points in 32 minutes.

And then there was Sully. I could almost envision Red christening him a bona fide Celtic as he want to the floor, tore the ball loose (He's getting pretty good at that), and passed to a teammate from a prone position. And he didn't just take a charge beautifully; he lay on the floor and beat his chest a la KG. If this was a night of major energy by the Celtics, I thought the energy was epitomized by those two plays.

I recently posted an analogy in which I likened the Celtics to a baby who will some day be a full-fledged adult but right now is at the stage of staggering around and lurching from table to table. Well, after last night, I'm almost ready to upgrade them to my younger daughter's battering ram technique. She never walked. One day she just broke from a crawl into a dead run. She slammed against a wall, picked herself up, ran headlong across the room, slammed against another wall, and kept repeating it until we had to stop her lest she hurt herself. And she was laughing all the while.

The only difference with the Celtics is that, as they continue to come together in their execution and their energy, there will hopefully be no stopping them. And here's hoping they'll experience the joy my daughter felt, along with her obvious feeling that, at that moment, she could accomplish anything.

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Re: POST GAME OKC

Post by sinus007 on Sat Nov 24, 2012 12:06 pm

Hi,
One more good win.
Despite the stuttering (at times) defense offense was smooth enough to make a positive difference.
I guess it will take awhile for Celtics to get their defense to work. I hope they'll be able to do it with the current crew. In that regard I'm wondering how much time it'd take AB to get into the groove and how much it'd impact the team?
Back to the last night's game. One of the bright spots was JG: 17 points in less than 25 min. He kind of proved everyone's prediction: played really good against his former team. Maybe Danny should hire someone who could hypnotize Jeff to think that every team is his former team....
Kudos, again, to Sully. He still needs to work on the D-end, a lot. As for his fouls, reminds me Steamer last year getting a foul just standing next to an opponent.
OT. Love Scal's comments. He brings a lot of knowledge and vision and appreciation of the finer points of the game. I wonder if he's being groomed to replace Tommy?

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Re: POST GAME OKC

Post by bobheckler on Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:36 pm

Isn't it funny how much better we all feel after a win.

We were down by 7 after one and down 7 multiple times in the 2nd, as Durant and Westbrook scored almost at will. We clawed back to a lead by halftime and had a strong 3rd. We were up 12 with 4:20 left in the 4th, and here they came! They closed it to 3 with just a minute left. It'd be easy to bitch about how we didn't close them out but we should remember that the Thunder is a very good team, better than we are at this time. I expected them to make a final run, and they did. What I like is that we didn't do an El Foldo and let the OKC Big 3 take the win away from us. A nice character building game, I think.

The 4th quarter was 35-31 OKC. Not much defense that quarter. Westbrook did some damage but one player definitely put the fear of God into me.

1. Durantula is unbelievable. He's not a killer defender but damn is he ever something else on offense. Pierce was having a helluva a game but there was something about Kevin Durant's approach to offense that is quite intimidating. He just shoots, with absolute unshaken confidence from anywhere. He was draining 3s, multiple times, from 27'+ without even bothering trying to get closer to the line. Distance is no issue for him, just let him see the rim and it's in. He puts the ball on the floor like any 3 in the league except he's 6'9" and very long. And, like every great scorer, he is completely unfazed by missing. He had 29 points on 9-20 shooting. It would have been worse except that

2. Paul Pierce showed up to play last night. 27 points on 8-16 and 3 steals. He made Durant play defense and Durant picked up 3 fouls, which sat him down. He's like the Patriot's offense, the only way to stop them is to keep them off the field and that's what Pierce did last night. He helped stop the bleeding from Durant's offense and, by making Durant play D, put him on the bench. Nice to see the Captain not only show his Celtic pride after the whipping by San Antonio but also that he still has game and can bring against a good team. Perhaps best of all, he did it all in a very efficient 31 minutes, vs 37 for Durant. Durant had only been averaging 1.2 PF/game coming in. He must not get anywhere near another player to do that. He got 3 this game. Wilt averaged under 2.0 PF/game 5x in his career, ending with a career-average 2.0 PF/game, but he was Wilt and could just stand there and stop you colder than seeing a turkey sandwich after a week of leftovers.

3. Westbrook showed up wanting to prove he's a better player than Rondo. Westbrook, a score-first pass-second point guard, ended up with 26 points on 10-21 shooting, 8 assists and 5 TOs. So, he was involved with 42 of OKC's points (I'm not bothering with counting 3s). Rondo had 16 assists, 6 points on 2-5 and only 2 TOs; delivering directly and indirectly to 38 Celtic points. So, did Westbrook win? I say no, because Rondo's team had a better fg%. Furthermore, if I did count 3s (just too lazy to count them) I'm sure Rondo would do better since we were 9-17 from 3 (and Rondo only had 1) while OKC was 6-24 (Westbrook had 2). The chances of most, if not all, of the 3s being due to a Rondo pass is good. The Celtics scored 17 points off of 17 OKC TOs. Considering Westbrook had 5 himself, that averages another 5 points he gave to us vs less than 2 points Rondo gave up with his TOs and brings them even closer to even. Enough of the stats though. Rondo's problem was staying in front of Westbrook. Again. His inability to do that forced KG to come back in earlier than he should have in the 4th. Rondo's half-hearted position defense is somewhat irksome at this point.

4. Our perimeter defense has been much maligned lately. Well, in some ways it was better, we were jumping out at the ball, but our spacing was poor and the defenders were being split regularly by Westbrook. That's something that can be fixed, so I'm not too upset about it. If we weren't jumping out, and that's why they were getting into the lane, then I'd be unhappy. One of Sam's "glimmers", I think.

5. Now that Serge Ibaka has added a reliable mid-range jumper to his game he is Chris Bosh except with outrageous athleticism and exceptional defense. Put another way, Chris Bosh is a one-dimensional version of Serge Ibaka.

6. I read a blog yesterday in which the author thought that Jeff Green would be unemotional and disengaged last night. WRONG! The entire OKC bench scored 13 points, while Jeff Green single-handedly scored 17. If this is how Green plays against former teams it's too he hadn't been passed around the league like a bottle of Thunderbird at a winos convention before he came to us. He was aggressive pretty much all night. He was smiling a lot. I hate that. I hate when a player smiles when he plays well. I hate it when D12 does it, I hate it when Jeff Green does it. Moods are for when you're making love, not when you're trying to kill another team and break their hearts. What I wouldn't give for an underlying stream of hostility and anger from Jeff Green. Last night, though, joy worked just fine. Next game?

7. Our bench, in general, deserves praise. Also much maligned, they delivered against a very good team. Green's contribution has been mentioned, but Sully played big too. Not big stats for Sully, 8 points on 4-6 and only 3 boards, but his intangibles were monstrous. He ripped balls away from people, dove to the floor for Tommy Points and just generally made his presence known when he was in the game. Barbosa also didn't have a good boxscore (0 points on 0-3, 2 assists, 0 TOs) but he provided continuity while Rondo sat. I LOVE the 0 turnovers! Hold your own, contribute where you can, but DO NOT screw up and put us in a hole. That is the mantra of a bench player. One of his assists was a beauty to KG inside. Barbosa is starting to settle into this team and that is BIG. Lee had an understated game, but that's what we expect from him now. To me, though, he's redundant with Bradley.

8. The Celtics had 14 fast break points vs 9 for OKC. Who's the better point guard? KG led with 9 rebounds and everybody else chipped in, except strangely enough for Chris Wilcox who had none. 36 total is acceptable, but not great. Only 15 TOs will make Doc smile.

9. Brandon Bass is working his ass off on offense and defense, but he has gone stone-cold from the field. 3-12 last night adds to the shooting woes he has had for the past week or two. We're not talking about hard shots either. Bass, a real pro, only takes shots he can make or has to take because of the clock. They're just not dropping now. If he shoots something closer to his norm, this game is even more lopsided.

10. KG had a good game, until a little over 5 minutes left in the game. Then, he had a GREAT game. His name got mentioned in almost every possession. An offensive rebound here, free throws there, intimidating interior defense all the time. The difference was quite noticeable. In the last 5:12 he was 1-2 for 8 points, including free throws, and 4 rebounds. Consider that a total of 11 points were scored by the Celtics in that time (JET had an ice-water-in-his-veins 3), and KG had 8 of them. He's not the Big Ticket for nothing.

11. A good game by Perk. He blocked a very tough shot by KG in the lane and, of all things, played point center on a break once. In all the years he played here I NEVER saw him do that. I gotta say, though, that OKC gave up 108 points to a team that has been struggling on offense. Living proof that defense is a team sport and Perk's team just isn't KG's team.

12. Last, but not least, I have to say I enjoyed listening to Scal. He's not as smooth as Mike and Tommy, but he hasn't been doing it since dirt was young like they have. Some real nice "inside hoops" insight by him. For example, he mentioned that the Celtics were doing a good job of defending "the nail and the elbows". What's "the nail"? Well, there's a nail in the floor at the free throw line that they use to line the basket up. Did you know that? So Scal was saying you have to not give up open jumpers at the free throw line and at the foul line extended. Nice insight. He also mentioned the "Mike D'Antoni delay". I didn't quite catch what that was, but it's another "Welcome to the Locker Room" pearl from Scal. And yes, I DEFINITELY think he is being groomed to replace 78 year-old Tommy Heinsohn, at least for the road trips.

A nice win against one of the better teams in the NBA. OKC was 9-3 coming in and 3-1 on the road. At 9-4 now, that gives them the 5th best record in the league as of now behind league leading Memphis (9-2!?), SAS (10-3), Miami (9-3) and NYK (8-3). I think this was actually a big win, for us.

A day off, then we have a chance to build on this chemistry against the Orlando Magic.

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Re: POST GAME OKC

Post by mrkleen09 on Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:09 pm

Upfront - Scal is GREAT. He goes right at the moron Gary Tanguay - he delivers lots of insights and he is a smart, smart guy. When Tommy leaves, he will leave the mic in very capable hands.

Big big improvement over the game on Wednesday.

The Celtics starters (including Bass) are all on the same page on the defensive end and getting better every game. Tonight - Wilcox and Sully anchored the 2nd unit much better...but it is still a work in progress.

Some of the comments above strike me as unrealistic......you are not going to stop Durant and Westbrook from driving. No team in the world can do that, so we really need to get off that as a criticism - especially against the best teams in the league. A better goal would be to have most of those drives result in the player having to take a very difficult shot - which the Celtics did force on most occasions.

Same with rebounding. People out here have to get over the fact that the Celtics are not and WILL NOT be a great rebounding team. OKC had 40 rebounds...the Celtics had 36. Rebounding was a NON ISSUE last night.

Jeff Green showed why he should not under any circumstances be considered in any trade. He will be a 20 ppg scorer years and years into the future here in Boston, and this season he will prove to be a big part of the Celtics success.

Kevin Durant is a great scorer and a freak athlete - but until he stops playing weak defense - he cannot be considered in the same class as Lebron and Kobe.

Westbrook is another amazing athlete - with hall of fame skills and a junior high brain. He can be taken out of the game by playing physical with him and if you give him enough time, he will make a game changing mistake. Would take Rajon any day of the week over Russell

Would like to think the last two games, showing the good, the bad and the ugly - would serve to remove some of the sky is falling - chicken little act around here. But we are all entitled to our opinions (or ranting and raving as it may be)

This is a veteran team and a work in progress. In the end, Doc will have them ready....in the meantime, enjoy the ride.


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Re: POST GAME OKC

Post by sam on Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:10 pm

Bob,

I believe KG rested only two of the 12 minutes in the 4th quarter. I was concerned he'd lose his legs, but his jumpers were really smooth down the stretch, and he made a huge difference near the defensive basket.

I think that both Lee and Barbosa did what they had to do while being placeholders. Especially Lee, whose very poor three-point shooting didn't stop him from being aggressive. But, if anyone out there has even a shred of confidence in the +/- statistic as an evaluator of an individual's play, think again after this game, in which Rondo was superb but had only + 6, Green was superb but had only + 1, and Barbosa had no points, two assists, and one board but merited a + 17 rating..

Okay, I guess I've gotten that out of my system for a little while (but certainly not forever). The net result was that they beat a good team with all of its key players available, and they did it while shoring up some of the areas in which they've been weak. Nothing fantastic, and their vulnerability on defense when KG's not in the game particularly worries me; but a night of glimmers rather than coal in our stockings.

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Re: POST GAME OKC

Post by bobheckler on Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:14 pm

sam wrote:Bob,

I believe KG rested only two of the 12 minutes in the 4th quarter. I was concerned he'd lose his legs, but his jumpers were really smooth down the stretch, and he made a huge difference near the defensive basket.

I think that both Lee and Barbosa did what they had to do while being placeholders. Especially Lee, whose very poor three-point shooting didn't stop him from being aggressive. But, if anyone out there has even a shred of confidence in the +/- statistic as an evaluator of an individual's play, think again after this game, in which Rondo was superb but had only + 6, Green was superb but had only + 1, and Barbosa had no points, two assists, and one board but merited a + 17 rating..

Okay, I guess I've gotten that out of my system for a little while (but certainly not forever). The net result was that they beat a good team with all of its key players available, and they did it while shoring up some of the areas in which they've been weak. Nothing fantastic, and their vulnerability on defense when KG's not in the game particularly worries me; but a night of glimmers rather than coal in our stockings.

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Rondo's +6 came against starters. Green played against Durant a lot and Barbosa played against a particularly unproductive OKC bench last night.


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Post by sam on Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:48 pm

Bob,

Just another reason for me to dislike the stat. It doesn't take into account the quality of the competition.

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Post by sinus007 on Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:55 pm

BTW, speaking about Lee. I was surprised that Doc was keeping him for so long in the 4th quarter. I think he should've put JT in 2-3 min earlier.

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Post by bobheckler on Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:01 pm

sam wrote:Bob,

Just another reason for me to dislike the stat. It doesn't take into account the quality of the competition.

Sam

sam,

By that argument, it's another reason to dislike all stats, since all stats must be kept in perspective.

Jerry West's 27.0ppg career average, or Kobe's 25.4ppg?

Or /36mpg? (which is, btw, 24.8 for West and 25.1 for Kobe)?

Or neither, since Kobe has had the 3pt shot his entire career AND no hand checking? Can you imagine the impact on production if West had no hand checking or if Kobe did?

Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics.
Figures don't lie, but liars do figure.

We've heard them all, it's up to us to make sense of them.

I'm done now, because I sure as hell am not going to argue statistics with you. I can see the freaking dorsal fin from 150' away on the beach and I am not going near the water.

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Post by bobheckler on Sat Nov 24, 2012 4:11 pm

Bass, with the drive and LEFT handed slam. Does the one dribble he needed still give Rondo an assist in today's NBA?







They still gave up 100 points, but they played D when they needed it.








Jeff Green, with his first 2 points. When he does this he is awesome. Unfortunately, he doesn't do it consistently.








The Rondo-to-Wilcox connection. Why is it everybody in the Garden can see this coming except the opponents? I don't know, but I'm glad they don't.







A beautiful fast break run off a steal, by Lee with the finish by Green. Everybody wears headbands now.









Very tough shot by KG. I love that he outran his man downcourt. These were the first of KG's 8 points in the last 5:18, we scored a total of 11.








JET! With the ice-water 3 to make it an 8 point game and effectively put it out of reach for OKC. I think it was Ibaka who stayed with Rondo and Sefelosha that went under and got to JET a step too late.








Watch how JET cheats to the middle, to bring his man to the middle, and then move to the corner for the open 3. Nice interplay with Rondo who knew where he was going. At the buzzer, going into the half.








Here's another angle on the finish of the Lee steal and fastbreak to Green. Stop smiling, Jeff, you're supposed to be doing this.








Sully showing off his "veteran smarts". His man leaves him to double KG, he goes to the front of the rim just like his dad taught him.









Rondo, 1-on-3, but they collapse, so he keeps going to the rim. Gotta stop the ball. Bad transition D by OKC. Sefelosha, on the left, should have taken the wing on the left and Perk, on the right, should have guarded the paint against the ball which was coming right. Instead, Sefelosha tried to stop a slashing Rondo and Perk turned his back to go against the wing.


























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Re: POST GAME OKC

Post by bobheckler on Sat Nov 24, 2012 4:23 pm

If you're interested in some of the drivel they write in OKC, here's a link to an OKC local blogger.


http://www.dailythunder.com/2012/11/okcs-bench-gets-worked-in-boston-108-100/


Regarding his stupid comment about Westbrook vs Rondo, here's a link to NBA.com's offensive efficiency stat page.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/offensive-efficiency

The difference between OKC's #3 rated offense and Boston's #11 rated offense is...wait for it...


.035


Can you believe this idiot is talking up .035? If Westbrook has a bad shooting night, then what? Rondo runs an offense that is independent of his shooting and scoring. He's the hub of the wheel that makes all the spokes better. Everybody has to stop running and shooting for Rondo to fail. Westbrook, on the other hand, can shoot his team out of it. Let's see what happens to their offensive efficiency when Bradley guards Westbrook.


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Re: POST GAME OKC

Post by sam on Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:22 pm

Bob,

Nice videos. If they got paid for style points, both Lee and Green would get hefty raises.

Actually, you're preaching to the choir about stats. It's the reason why I possibly use the word "context" more than any other term in my posts about statistics.

As far as I'm concerned, one of the main tenets in using stats is to eliminate as many as possible of the potentially confusing variables, and this is done largely by "decomplexifying" the context of the stat you're using.

For instance, instead of comparing players from different eras (which you mentioned), consider comparing one player's rank during his era versus the other player's rank during his era; then compare the two rankings. Instead of using several players' points per game as a point of comparison, use points per 36 minutes so everyone will be on the same footing. (I know that one's a favorite of yours.)

What you mentioned is certainly not anywhere close to my main reason for disliking the ways in which the ± stat is often used, but I'm always happy to seize an opportunity to load it on where that particular stat is involved.

With respect to Barbosa's ± rating last night, I went back to last night's play-by-play and found the following combinations against which Barbosa played, with length of playing time and number of points gained by the Celts:

6 Minutes:
KG, Pierce, Sully, Lee, Barbosa vs.
Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka, Perk, Sefalosha
Celts gained 5 points

2 minutes:
KG, Sully, Green, Lee, Barbosa vs.
Sefalosha, Martin, Maynor, Collison, Thabeet
Celtics gained 8 points

2 minutes
KG, Sully, Green, Lee, Barbosa vs.
Durant, Sefalosha, Martin, Collison, Maynor
Celts gained 2 points

24 seconds (at end of 1st quarter)
KG, Rondo, Green, Lee, Barbosa vs.
Westbrook, Perk, Martin, Maynor, Thabeet
Celts gained 2 points

Note that all four combinations involving Barbosa also included KG. Oh my god, call ESPN! Isn't it absolutely shocking that KG's ±18 is so similar to Barbosa's ±17 considering that Barbosa didn't play one second without KG also on the floor?

The two-minute stint when the Celtics gained 8 points on the Thunder involved the arguably weakest Thunder lineup of the four Barbosa faced.

These are but just a couple of reasons why there are too many complicating variables in the ± suckstistic for it to be taken seriously in evaluating individuals, and, to some extent, even in evaluating combinations.

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