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Why Hasn't Evan Turner Been Officially Signed Yet?
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Why hasn't Evan Turner been officially signed yet? Here are some theories
By Jeff Clark @celticsblog on Aug 17 2014, 9:58p 22
Howard Smith-USA TODAY Sports
Looking under every rock in search of a story. Yup, it's the offseason.
It was announced in late July that Evan Turner had agreed to terms with the Celtics. The terms haven't announced but it is believed to be a 2 year deal for a portion of the Mid Level Exception (so it will be less than $5M per year). For some reason, however, the deal has yet to be officially announced.
Make no mistake, Evan Turner will be on the Celtics next year. That's happening. Back in early August Gary Washburn provide a brief explanation about why the deal wouldn't be finalized for "the next few weeks."
The Boston Globe
An NBA source said the Celtics are working to clear roster space over the next few weeks in order to make room for Evan Turner in the rotation. The Celtics aren’t expected to announce the signing until those moves are made, although the sides have reached an agreement. The Celtics have 18 players on their roster, including the nonguaranteed deals of Keith Bogans, Chris Babb, and Chris Johnson.
That sounds logical, but as the weeks pass I can't help but wonder why the deal hasn't been finished yet.
First of all it needs to be clarified that the Celtics don't need to free up a roster spot. They can have over 15 players under contract right up until the end of preseason. So this is more about the money and timing than it is about the roster spots themselves.
If the team had already decided to cut loose Bogans and one of the other non-guaranteed players, then it would be done already. That said, the fact that they haven't done so doesn't mean that they won't go that route. They are just keeping their options open for a minor trade at some point.
Here are some options that the team has in front of them.
1) Mid-major deal: Trading Jeff Green or even Brandon Bass might shake up the roster a bit. The Celtics might need one or more of the non-guaranteed guys to match salaries or make room under the cap to absorb more short term salary. This seems unlikely at this point but you never know.
2) Paper-clip deal: In case you haven't heard, this guy named Kevin Love is likely to be traded to the Cavs in the next week or so. A deal that big sometimes requires additional teams to get involved and participate to make all the dollars work and make everyone happy. The Celtics have already dealt with the Cavs once this offseason in a deal that helped them clear cap space. I wound't be too shocked to see Ainge involved in some way in this trade as well, even if it is simply sending non-guaranteed guys out in exchange for an expiring contract and another draft pick.
3) Flotsam for jetsam deal: Ainge frequently finds creative ways to waive players without actually having to waive them. Last year around this time he traded Fab Melo (and cash) for Donte Greene and waived Greene him a few days later. In other deals Ainge has traded Luke Harangody, Semih Erden, Marquis Daniels, Sam Cassell, and Patrick O'Bryant in separate deals that netted us several heavily protected 2nd round picks that are still listed in our "picks owed" but will never be exercised. Usually there's some kind of (minor) cap rationale for these deals but the bottom line is that if Ainge can save some room under the cap by making a trade instead of simply cutting someone, he'll do it.
4) Trade exception deal: A trade exception from the Pierce trade netted us Tyler Zeller and a first round pick this summer. We've already got another one from the Kris Humphries deal. If we're just going to waive Bogans, why not trade him to a team with cap space, send them some money for the trouble of actually waiving the guy, and create a new trade exception? Then we don't have to pay him this season but we still retain the option of using his salary slot in a trade during the year.
5) Keep it simple: If none of the above turns up, Ainge still has the option of waiving Bogans which would make enough room for the team to sign Turner. They could make the final cuts after preseason to get down to the 15 man roster.
6) Fireworks: Obviously if anything big happens (involving cashing in chips or sending out Rondo or whatever) then all bets are off and flexibility is valuable.
Bottom line: This probably means nothing, but I wouldn't be too surprised if Danny Ainge made some kind of move before training camp opens.
bob
MY NOTE: This is a rehash of the already known, sure, but it is a reminder that Trader Danny is still prowling and that's an encouraging thought. As Yogi Berra said "it ain't over 'til it's over' and, with Danny, it's never over until he's raising a banner. I also can commiserate with his opening point about "Looking under every rock in search of a story. Yup, it's the offseason." It's tough making a silk purse out of a sow's ear. That's one of the reasons I have been enjoying the "Summer Quandaries" series by Lee Lauderdale. Agree or disagree, and hopefully we have an abundance of both, he's producing some interesting premises for an article in the vacuous space of The Doldrums.
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Why hasn't Evan Turner been officially signed yet? Here are some theories
By Jeff Clark @celticsblog on Aug 17 2014, 9:58p 22
Howard Smith-USA TODAY Sports
Looking under every rock in search of a story. Yup, it's the offseason.
It was announced in late July that Evan Turner had agreed to terms with the Celtics. The terms haven't announced but it is believed to be a 2 year deal for a portion of the Mid Level Exception (so it will be less than $5M per year). For some reason, however, the deal has yet to be officially announced.
Make no mistake, Evan Turner will be on the Celtics next year. That's happening. Back in early August Gary Washburn provide a brief explanation about why the deal wouldn't be finalized for "the next few weeks."
The Boston Globe
An NBA source said the Celtics are working to clear roster space over the next few weeks in order to make room for Evan Turner in the rotation. The Celtics aren’t expected to announce the signing until those moves are made, although the sides have reached an agreement. The Celtics have 18 players on their roster, including the nonguaranteed deals of Keith Bogans, Chris Babb, and Chris Johnson.
That sounds logical, but as the weeks pass I can't help but wonder why the deal hasn't been finished yet.
First of all it needs to be clarified that the Celtics don't need to free up a roster spot. They can have over 15 players under contract right up until the end of preseason. So this is more about the money and timing than it is about the roster spots themselves.
If the team had already decided to cut loose Bogans and one of the other non-guaranteed players, then it would be done already. That said, the fact that they haven't done so doesn't mean that they won't go that route. They are just keeping their options open for a minor trade at some point.
Here are some options that the team has in front of them.
1) Mid-major deal: Trading Jeff Green or even Brandon Bass might shake up the roster a bit. The Celtics might need one or more of the non-guaranteed guys to match salaries or make room under the cap to absorb more short term salary. This seems unlikely at this point but you never know.
2) Paper-clip deal: In case you haven't heard, this guy named Kevin Love is likely to be traded to the Cavs in the next week or so. A deal that big sometimes requires additional teams to get involved and participate to make all the dollars work and make everyone happy. The Celtics have already dealt with the Cavs once this offseason in a deal that helped them clear cap space. I wound't be too shocked to see Ainge involved in some way in this trade as well, even if it is simply sending non-guaranteed guys out in exchange for an expiring contract and another draft pick.
3) Flotsam for jetsam deal: Ainge frequently finds creative ways to waive players without actually having to waive them. Last year around this time he traded Fab Melo (and cash) for Donte Greene and waived Greene him a few days later. In other deals Ainge has traded Luke Harangody, Semih Erden, Marquis Daniels, Sam Cassell, and Patrick O'Bryant in separate deals that netted us several heavily protected 2nd round picks that are still listed in our "picks owed" but will never be exercised. Usually there's some kind of (minor) cap rationale for these deals but the bottom line is that if Ainge can save some room under the cap by making a trade instead of simply cutting someone, he'll do it.
4) Trade exception deal: A trade exception from the Pierce trade netted us Tyler Zeller and a first round pick this summer. We've already got another one from the Kris Humphries deal. If we're just going to waive Bogans, why not trade him to a team with cap space, send them some money for the trouble of actually waiving the guy, and create a new trade exception? Then we don't have to pay him this season but we still retain the option of using his salary slot in a trade during the year.
5) Keep it simple: If none of the above turns up, Ainge still has the option of waiving Bogans which would make enough room for the team to sign Turner. They could make the final cuts after preseason to get down to the 15 man roster.
6) Fireworks: Obviously if anything big happens (involving cashing in chips or sending out Rondo or whatever) then all bets are off and flexibility is valuable.
Bottom line: This probably means nothing, but I wouldn't be too surprised if Danny Ainge made some kind of move before training camp opens.
bob
MY NOTE: This is a rehash of the already known, sure, but it is a reminder that Trader Danny is still prowling and that's an encouraging thought. As Yogi Berra said "it ain't over 'til it's over' and, with Danny, it's never over until he's raising a banner. I also can commiserate with his opening point about "Looking under every rock in search of a story. Yup, it's the offseason." It's tough making a silk purse out of a sow's ear. That's one of the reasons I have been enjoying the "Summer Quandaries" series by Lee Lauderdale. Agree or disagree, and hopefully we have an abundance of both, he's producing some interesting premises for an article in the vacuous space of The Doldrums.
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bobheckler- Posts : 61054
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Re: Why Hasn't Evan Turner Been Officially Signed Yet?
I pointed this out a day or two ago, after reading another story somewhere about Turner not being official.
that story was tilting more towards the George injury and the impact on the Pacers. Perhaps Bird was looking at doing a sign and trade to either get other assets from us or even a trade exception they could use..
the other story also pointed out that the luxury cap isn't counted until the season starts, so there is no issues signing Turner at any time (if they were correct).
While it might be nice to look at the Pacers roster and see Green heading there, they really don't have the sapce to take on his $9M deal, as that would put them over the luxury line and their owners have been wanting to stay below it.
as it is WITHOUT Turner, they are tight up against the luxury line.
so even IF there was some "larger" deal being considered, we'd have to take back any salarys we ship to them WITHOUT counting Turners money.
More likely Ainge will "help out" Bird by giving him a trade exception or Bogans he can turn into some help at SF
that story was tilting more towards the George injury and the impact on the Pacers. Perhaps Bird was looking at doing a sign and trade to either get other assets from us or even a trade exception they could use..
the other story also pointed out that the luxury cap isn't counted until the season starts, so there is no issues signing Turner at any time (if they were correct).
While it might be nice to look at the Pacers roster and see Green heading there, they really don't have the sapce to take on his $9M deal, as that would put them over the luxury line and their owners have been wanting to stay below it.
as it is WITHOUT Turner, they are tight up against the luxury line.
so even IF there was some "larger" deal being considered, we'd have to take back any salarys we ship to them WITHOUT counting Turners money.
More likely Ainge will "help out" Bird by giving him a trade exception or Bogans he can turn into some help at SF
kdp59- Posts : 5707
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Re: Why Hasn't Evan Turner Been Officially Signed Yet?
kdp59 wrote:I pointed this out a day or two ago, after reading another story somewhere about Turner not being official.
that story was tilting more towards the George injury and the impact on the Pacers. Perhaps Bird was looking at doing a sign and trade to either get other assets from us or even a trade exception they could use..
the other story also pointed out that the luxury cap isn't counted until the season starts, so there is no issues signing Turner at any time (if they were correct).
While it might be nice to look at the Pacers roster and see Green heading there, they really don't have the sapce to take on his $9M deal, as that would put them over the luxury line and their owners have been wanting to stay below it.
as it is WITHOUT Turner, they are tight up against the luxury line.
so even IF there was some "larger" deal being considered, we'd have to take back any salarys we ship to them WITHOUT counting Turners money.
More likely Ainge will "help out" Bird by giving him a trade exception or Bogans he can turn into some help at SF
kdp,
I remember that thread of yours. This wasn't to diminish yours or replace it, I was just posting what was available for today on the internet. You were ahead of the curve. You were, as you point out, focused on the opportunistic nature of the George injury while this is much more general. In short, both you and this author may be right.
bob
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bobheckler- Posts : 61054
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Re: Why Hasn't Evan Turner Been Officially Signed Yet?
The salary cap and luxury tax is counted at the end of the season.
If you have a hard cap (because of a sign and trade), then you can never go over the hard cap limit.
As long as Turner is ok with waiting, then there's no reason to rush the signing.
If you have a hard cap (because of a sign and trade), then you can never go over the hard cap limit.
As long as Turner is ok with waiting, then there's no reason to rush the signing.
tjmakz- Posts : 4278
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Re: Why Hasn't Evan Turner Been Officially Signed Yet?
Come the beginning of the season, will Danny have put together a very representative and entertaining rebuilding team that squeezes the greatest value out of every resource? I think this question is poll-worthy, because I'd like to see whether I'm in the minority. Watch for the poll on your nearest chat room.
Sam
Sam
Re: Why Hasn't Evan Turner Been Officially Signed Yet?
Bob, I don't think I did anything but make an off-hand comment about this in another thread.
I didn't have any links on it ,as I couldn't remember where I had read it at.
I was trying to add what I remember as the "other" story's take on it, which was NOT Celtics-centric.
I didn't have any links on it ,as I couldn't remember where I had read it at.
I was trying to add what I remember as the "other" story's take on it, which was NOT Celtics-centric.
kdp59- Posts : 5707
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Age : 64
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