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I agree with Bob, this is just frustration of the moment talking. He may still end up biding his time in the wait for Bronny.
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There wasn't much emotion pouring out of Lebron’s piehole when he stated this. He thought about this.
Like always with him, it’s calculated.
Like always with him, it’s calculated.
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This isn't Lakers vs Nuggets, and we don't know yet whether it'll be Heat vs Nuggets or Celtics vs Nuggets, so I put this here.
This is some really, really good passing.
Bob
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This is some really, really good passing.
Bob
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gyso wrote:I agree with Bob, this is just frustration of the moment talking. He may still end up biding his time in the wait for Bronny.
From the wishy-washy both sides of the coin thought I just had...
Most likely true. LeBron wouldn't be the first player to let frustration manage post-game comments. It is also possible he's frustrated not just with the season and the series, but the team around him. They didn't exactly build the saviors around him he needed, and AD has not always turned out to be the partner he thought he was getting.
To Ktron's point about LeBron always calculating, that is also entirely possible. He does want a year on a team with Bronny 2 seasons from now. This would be the opportunity to start posturing and maneuvering to make sure that becomes reality. A change of teams could be needed, so let's start the dissatisfaction that leads to later movements now.
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bobheckler wrote:This isn't Lakers vs Nuggets, and we don't know yet whether it'll be Heat vs Nuggets or Celtics vs Nuggets, so I put this here.
This is some really, really good passing.
Bob
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I’ve always had Bill Walton as the best passing big man of all time, and his 1986 season with us was simply superb. Jokic has him beat in my estimation, so much vision and creativity makes him the best ever.
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NYCelt wrote:gyso wrote:I agree with Bob, this is just frustration of the moment talking. He may still end up biding his time in the wait for Bronny.
From the wishy-washy both sides of the coin thought I just had...
Most likely true. LeBron wouldn't be the first player to let frustration manage post-game comments. It is also possible he's frustrated not just with the season and the series, but the team around him. They didn't exactly build the saviors around him he needed, and AD has not always turned out to be the partner he thought he was getting.
To Ktron's point about LeBron always calculating, that is also entirely possible. He does want a year on a team with Bronny 2 seasons from now. This would be the opportunity to start posturing and maneuvering to make sure that becomes reality. A change of teams could be needed, so let's start the dissatisfaction that leads to later movements now.
This Laker team was immensely flawed and honestly the fact that they got as far as they did is sheer luck. But they were savvy opportunists:
-#2 Grizzlies not actually playing like a #2 amidst "The Ja Morant Saga"
-#6 Warriors were mediocre all year long
They faced a real team in the Nuggets and got washed in 4 games.
I suspect, as others have mentioned, that is the 'frustration of defeat' speaking. He can still play at a high level, but asking him to carry a team is out of the question. AD and Bron are going to eat up $86M in 2023/24 and $93M in 2024/25. They have quite a few contracts dropping off after this season, including D. Russell at $31M. There's no telling what the team will look like next season.
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https://us.yahoo.com/sports/chicago-bulls-privately-believe-lonzo-110056924.html
Chicago Bulls privately believe Lonzo Ball won’t ‘ever play again’
Jack Simone
Sun, May 28, 2023 at 4:00 AM PDT
It’s been a tumultuous two seasons for the Chicago Bulls since they made moves to push for the playoffs. In 2021, they shifted forward, trading for Nikola Vucevic and signing DeMar DeRozan, Lonzo Ball, and Alex Caruso. They made the postseason that year, but this past season, they were eliminated in the Play-In Tournament.
Chicago got off to a hot start in 2021, but ever since Ball went down with a knee injury, they’ve struggled. The injury held him out the entire season half of the 2021-22 season, as well as all of the 2022-23 season. Now, it’s looking like he could miss all of next year, too, and according to Dan Bernstein of 670 The Score, the Bulls believe he may never play again.
During a recent edition of the Organizations Win Championships podcast, Bernstein revealed that Chicago privately believes Ball won’t ever step foot on an NBA court again, as relayed by Daniel Greenberg.
“The Chicago Bulls privately don’t think that it’s likely Lonzo Ball will ever play again, per @dan_bernstein on Organizations Win Championship Podcast,” Greenberg tweeted.
Ball appeared in 35 games for the Bulls in the 2021-22 season before going down with an injury. He has yet to appear in a game since then, and Chicago’s point guard position has been a revolving door ever since.
The Bulls desperately need a point guard to lead their offense, and Ball is the perfect player to do so. Unfortunately, he has gotten hit with some of the worst injury luck in the league.
All Ball can do now is hope for the best.
Bob
MY NOTE: IF this story is true about Ball's injury effectively ending his career then Danny's fleecing of Philly in the Fultz/Tatum deal is even sweeter. Ball was traded to NOP as part of the Anthony Davis trade. Would he have been in the trade even if he was playing better? If he was playing like a #2 pick would he have been included or would/could LA offer another player in his stead? The Bulls gave up Tomas Satoransky and Garrett Temple and picks to the Pelicans for Ball. Satoransky is in Washington now, and he's a non-factor. Temple is 36 years old and also a non-factor in NOP. Ball has 2 more years on his contract, $20.4M and $21.4M, total about $42M. That's the real tragedy for Chicago. Not only do they lose their point guard (and if you watched them this season they desperately needed a floor general) but he's sucking down a considerable amount of their cap space, which is inhibiting their ability to sign free agents.
I can't stand his father but it wouldn't be fair to visit the sins of the father on the son. Lonzo seems to understand his father's completely over-the-top and seems both resigned to it, as we all are when dealing with our family member's idiosyncracies, as well as a little embarrassed by him. I feel sorry for the kid, but not too much. After all his total career earnings, assuming he never plays another game nor signs another contract, is $112.8M. That's a lot of money for a 25 year old, a #2 pick who never really performed like one, and has only played 252 games despite being drafted six seasons ago. That's 42 games/season so far and, if he's got 2 more years on his contract but never plays again, that'd mean he made >$112M averaging only 32 games/season over 8 years. That's almost half-a-million dollars per game. So, no big bucket of tears from me for poor Lonzo.
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Chicago Bulls privately believe Lonzo Ball won’t ‘ever play again’
Jack Simone
Sun, May 28, 2023 at 4:00 AM PDT
It’s been a tumultuous two seasons for the Chicago Bulls since they made moves to push for the playoffs. In 2021, they shifted forward, trading for Nikola Vucevic and signing DeMar DeRozan, Lonzo Ball, and Alex Caruso. They made the postseason that year, but this past season, they were eliminated in the Play-In Tournament.
Chicago got off to a hot start in 2021, but ever since Ball went down with a knee injury, they’ve struggled. The injury held him out the entire season half of the 2021-22 season, as well as all of the 2022-23 season. Now, it’s looking like he could miss all of next year, too, and according to Dan Bernstein of 670 The Score, the Bulls believe he may never play again.
During a recent edition of the Organizations Win Championships podcast, Bernstein revealed that Chicago privately believes Ball won’t ever step foot on an NBA court again, as relayed by Daniel Greenberg.
“The Chicago Bulls privately don’t think that it’s likely Lonzo Ball will ever play again, per @dan_bernstein on Organizations Win Championship Podcast,” Greenberg tweeted.
Ball appeared in 35 games for the Bulls in the 2021-22 season before going down with an injury. He has yet to appear in a game since then, and Chicago’s point guard position has been a revolving door ever since.
The Bulls desperately need a point guard to lead their offense, and Ball is the perfect player to do so. Unfortunately, he has gotten hit with some of the worst injury luck in the league.
All Ball can do now is hope for the best.
Bob
MY NOTE: IF this story is true about Ball's injury effectively ending his career then Danny's fleecing of Philly in the Fultz/Tatum deal is even sweeter. Ball was traded to NOP as part of the Anthony Davis trade. Would he have been in the trade even if he was playing better? If he was playing like a #2 pick would he have been included or would/could LA offer another player in his stead? The Bulls gave up Tomas Satoransky and Garrett Temple and picks to the Pelicans for Ball. Satoransky is in Washington now, and he's a non-factor. Temple is 36 years old and also a non-factor in NOP. Ball has 2 more years on his contract, $20.4M and $21.4M, total about $42M. That's the real tragedy for Chicago. Not only do they lose their point guard (and if you watched them this season they desperately needed a floor general) but he's sucking down a considerable amount of their cap space, which is inhibiting their ability to sign free agents.
I can't stand his father but it wouldn't be fair to visit the sins of the father on the son. Lonzo seems to understand his father's completely over-the-top and seems both resigned to it, as we all are when dealing with our family member's idiosyncracies, as well as a little embarrassed by him. I feel sorry for the kid, but not too much. After all his total career earnings, assuming he never plays another game nor signs another contract, is $112.8M. That's a lot of money for a 25 year old, a #2 pick who never really performed like one, and has only played 252 games despite being drafted six seasons ago. That's 42 games/season so far and, if he's got 2 more years on his contract but never plays again, that'd mean he made >$112M averaging only 32 games/season over 8 years. That's almost half-a-million dollars per game. So, no big bucket of tears from me for poor Lonzo.
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Sources: Michael Jordan agrees to sell Hornets stake for $3B
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/37863644/sources-michael-jordan-finalizing-charlotte-hornets-sale
Michael Jordan has agreed to sell his majority stake in the Charlotte Hornets to a group led by Gabe Plotkin and Rick Schnall for an approximately $3 billion valuation, according to league sources. The transaction ends Jordan's 13-year run as majority owner.
Schnall, a minority owner with the Atlanta Hawks, and Plotkin, a minority owner with the Hornets, will become the franchise's governors once the NBA completes its vetting and approval process. Jordan will continue to oversee basketball operations through Thursday's NBA draft and the start of free agency July 1.
Once the sale is complete, Jordan will keep a minority stake and maintain a presence with the franchise.
Jordan, a six-time NBA champion and five-time MVP, is largely considered to be the greatest player in the history of the game and has been the league's only Black majority owner. Jordan paid $275 million for a majority stake in the franchise in 2010.
Jordan sold a significant minority stake to Plotkin, founder and chief investment officer of Melvin Capital, and Daniel Sundheim, founder and CIO of D1 Capital, in 2020, and Sundheim is part of the group purchasing the Hornets, sources said.
Schnall, co-president at private equity firm Clayton, Dubilier & Rice in New York, was part of a group including majority owner Tony Ressler and Grant Hill that purchased the Hawks in 2015 for $850 million.
After a 27-55 season riddled with injuries to most of the team's top players, the Hornets hold the No. 2 pick in the draft.
Not a whole lot of basketball success, poor drafting, etc but he made a killing on this investment.
KJ
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/37863644/sources-michael-jordan-finalizing-charlotte-hornets-sale
Michael Jordan has agreed to sell his majority stake in the Charlotte Hornets to a group led by Gabe Plotkin and Rick Schnall for an approximately $3 billion valuation, according to league sources. The transaction ends Jordan's 13-year run as majority owner.
Schnall, a minority owner with the Atlanta Hawks, and Plotkin, a minority owner with the Hornets, will become the franchise's governors once the NBA completes its vetting and approval process. Jordan will continue to oversee basketball operations through Thursday's NBA draft and the start of free agency July 1.
Once the sale is complete, Jordan will keep a minority stake and maintain a presence with the franchise.
Jordan, a six-time NBA champion and five-time MVP, is largely considered to be the greatest player in the history of the game and has been the league's only Black majority owner. Jordan paid $275 million for a majority stake in the franchise in 2010.
Jordan sold a significant minority stake to Plotkin, founder and chief investment officer of Melvin Capital, and Daniel Sundheim, founder and CIO of D1 Capital, in 2020, and Sundheim is part of the group purchasing the Hornets, sources said.
Schnall, co-president at private equity firm Clayton, Dubilier & Rice in New York, was part of a group including majority owner Tony Ressler and Grant Hill that purchased the Hawks in 2015 for $850 million.
After a 27-55 season riddled with injuries to most of the team's top players, the Hornets hold the No. 2 pick in the draft.
Not a whole lot of basketball success, poor drafting, etc but he made a killing on this investment.
KJ
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Michael Jordan To Sell Hornets Stake For Shocking Amount
June 16, 2023 Ashish Mathur
NBA legend Michael Jordan has agreed to sell his majority stake in the Charlotte Hornets to a group led by Gabe Plotkin and Rick Schnall for an approximate $3 billion valuation, according to Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN.
Jordan will continue to oversee basketball operations through the 2023 NBA draft and the start of free agency. The Chicago Bulls icon will keep a minority stake and maintain a presence with the franchise.
Schnall, a minority owner with the Atlanta Hawks, and Plotkin, a minority owner with the Hornets, will become Charlotte’s governors once the NBA completes its vetting and approval process. Jordan paid $275 million for a majority stake in the franchise back in 2010, becoming the league’s only Black majority owner.
the 2023 NBA Draft. Their current best player is All-Star point guard LaMelo Ball.
“Jordan sold a significant minority stake to Plotkin, founder and chief investment officer of Melvin Capital, and Daniel Sundheim, founder and chief investment officer of D1 Capital, in 2020, and Sundheim is part of the group purchasing the Hornets, sources said,” Woj wrote. “Schnall, co-president at private equity firm Clayton, Dubilier & Rice in New York, was part of a group including majority owner Tony Ressler and Grant Hill that purchased the Hawks in 2015 for $850 million.”
Bob
MY NOTE: Jordan bought a majority of the team for $275M, he's selling some (most?) of his position for $3B. That's > 10X capital appreciation and he still owns part of the team! 60 years old and MJ's still dunking on people.
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Michael Jordan To Sell Hornets Stake For Shocking Amount
June 16, 2023 Ashish Mathur
NBA legend Michael Jordan has agreed to sell his majority stake in the Charlotte Hornets to a group led by Gabe Plotkin and Rick Schnall for an approximate $3 billion valuation, according to Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN.
Jordan will continue to oversee basketball operations through the 2023 NBA draft and the start of free agency. The Chicago Bulls icon will keep a minority stake and maintain a presence with the franchise.
Schnall, a minority owner with the Atlanta Hawks, and Plotkin, a minority owner with the Hornets, will become Charlotte’s governors once the NBA completes its vetting and approval process. Jordan paid $275 million for a majority stake in the franchise back in 2010, becoming the league’s only Black majority owner.
the 2023 NBA Draft. Their current best player is All-Star point guard LaMelo Ball.
“Jordan sold a significant minority stake to Plotkin, founder and chief investment officer of Melvin Capital, and Daniel Sundheim, founder and chief investment officer of D1 Capital, in 2020, and Sundheim is part of the group purchasing the Hornets, sources said,” Woj wrote. “Schnall, co-president at private equity firm Clayton, Dubilier & Rice in New York, was part of a group including majority owner Tony Ressler and Grant Hill that purchased the Hawks in 2015 for $850 million.”
Bob
MY NOTE: Jordan bought a majority of the team for $275M, he's selling some (most?) of his position for $3B. That's > 10X capital appreciation and he still owns part of the team! 60 years old and MJ's still dunking on people.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/is-ja-morants-25-game-suspension-for-flashing-a-gun-fair-if-he-has-not-been-charged-with-a-crime-233552626.html
Is Ja Morant's 25-game suspension for flashing a gun fair if he has not been charged with a crime?
Ben Rohrbach
Senior NBA writer
Fri, Jun 16, 2023, 4:35 PM PDT·6 min read
During his annual state-of-the-league address before the NBA Finals, commissioner Adam Silver said his office "uncovered a fair amount of additional information" regarding Ja Morant's most recent gun-related incident, leading many to believe the Memphis Grizzlies star's latest suspension could be highly punitive.
So, when the NBA announced a 25-game ban of Morant, plus "certain conditions" for a subsequent return, it was notable that the statement did not include anything beyond what was clear already. He brandished a gun on Instagram Live, repeating the same behavior that earned him an eight-game suspension in March.
On one hand, it does seem like Morant needs more time to reflect on his actions than the few days he spent in a Florida counseling program. Around his last suspension, Morant conceded he needed to "work on learning better methods of dealing with stress and my overall well-being" and felt "pretty much numb to everything now." The eight-game ban coincided with reports from The Washington Post and The Athletic that uncovered three more allegations, including unconfirmed accusations of assault and multiple gun threats.
On the other hand, this 25-game suspension feels ... odd?
Currently, Morant is not subject publicly to any criminal charges, and his suspension falls under a broad "conduct detrimental to the league" umbrella.
The collective bargaining agreement restricts players from possessing guns "at a facility or venue owned, operated or being used by a team, the NBA or any league-related entity, and whenever a player is traveling on any NBA-related business." Morant was "leaving a social gathering in Memphis" when he "intentionally and prominently displayed a gun while in a car with several other individuals," per the league's statement.
The agreement between the NBA and its players' union requires "a license or registration as required by law for any such firearm." According to the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, "Tennessee does not require a permit to carry an openly or concealed handgun in public." Laws pertaining to guns inside parked cars, where Morant appeared to flash one, are murkier, but the state reportedly has no specific brandishing laws, and "Tennessee also expressly allows a person to carry any firearm, loaded or unloaded, in a lawfully possessed motor vehicle or boat if he or she is not prohibited from purchasing or possessing a firearm."
Based on that, Morant has not violated that specific league policy nor has he broken an established law. The NBA found his conduct problematic enough to issue two suspensions, though. As Silver's statement said, "The potential for other young people to emulate Ja’s conduct is particularly concerning."
Still, there is an absence of specifics in this instance, especially considering the "additional information" Silver alluded to before the Finals. If the NBA wants to outlaw gun ownership among employees, it should. If not, it will have to answer to the players' association.
Malik Beasley, then a member of the Minnesota Timberwolves, was suspended just 12 games in February 2021, when he was sentenced to serve 120 days in jail between NBA seasons for pleading guilty to a felony charge of making violent threats. He allegedly pointed a gun at a family parked outside his house. The couple and their 13-year-old child were reportedly in search of a home to buy in Beasley's neighborhood.
Former NBA player Stephen Jackson was suspended 30 games in 2004 for entering the stands and punching a fan in defense of Indiana Pacers teammate Ron Artest. Jackson's ban for firing a gun outside a nightclub in 2007 was just seven games. The commissioner then was David Stern, but the NBA's policies for doling out punishment have always been difficult to decipher. Compare Morant's suspension to the 30 games free-agent forward Miles Bridges just received for pleading no contest to a felony domestic violence charge (albeit following a year in which he was not signed as a direct result of his alleged criminal behavior).
Morant brandished a gun on camera. There is no easy answer for how he should have to answer for that.
Another aspect of Morant's suspension appears to be that he has repeated this offense. When Morant wielded a firearm on Instagram Live from a Colorado strip club in March, Silver said the All-NBA guard "made it clear to me that he has learned from this incident and that he understands his obligations and responsibility to the Memphis Grizzlies and the broader NBA community." Morant broke that trust in May.
As Silver said Friday, "Ja Morant’s decision to once again wield a firearm on social media is alarming and disconcerting given his similar conduct in March for which he was already suspended eight games." The statement continued, "Prior to his return to play, he will be required to formulate and fulfill a program with the league that directly addresses the circumstances that led him to repeat this destructive behavior."
The players' union countered with a strong rebuke of how the league seems to be policing behavior of unionized employees outside work that the actual police will not.
"As to the discipline imposed, which keeps [Morant] off the court until December and requires some unstated conditions to be met before he can return, we believe it is excessive and inappropriate for a number of reasons including the facts involved in this particular incident, and that it is not fair and consistent with past discipline in our league," NBPA executive director Tamika Tremaglio said in a statement Friday. "We will explore with Ja all options and next steps."
Morant offered no indication that he intended to appeal the suspension in his own statement Friday. He apologized to the league, the Grizzlies, his fans and sponsors, adding, "I hope you'll give me the chance to prove to you over time I'm a better man than what I've been showing you." He has made similar statements before and broken the same promise. He may well let the NBPA debate the morality of that on his behalf.
Does the NBA think it can punish someone into being a better man? Should the NBA be in the business of prioritizing the righteousness of its players? Golden State Warriors forward Draymond Green faced no penalty from the league for punching teammate Jordan Poole in the face at a team facility. If a 25-game suspension results in Morant's improved well-being, all the better, but that's another matter entirely.
Bob
MY NOTE: I think the seriousness of this 25 game suspension is about it being Morant's 2nd offense in a matter of months, showing a complete lack of a learning curve. The carrot didn't work, so here comes the stick. Morant just signed a 5 year $194M contract. He'll get paid $33.5M next year, of which he'll play a maximum of 57 games. He's a helluva player. 2X All-Star, 1X All-NBA and not even 24 yet. Is the Memphis front office done with his repeated, team-hurting bone-headed decisions? Will Memphis shop him? He is any teams long-term solution at point guard, except for his 3pt shooting, NOT his forte, but otherwise he's a killa and as I said he won't even be 24 until August.
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Is Ja Morant's 25-game suspension for flashing a gun fair if he has not been charged with a crime?
Ben Rohrbach
Senior NBA writer
Fri, Jun 16, 2023, 4:35 PM PDT·6 min read
During his annual state-of-the-league address before the NBA Finals, commissioner Adam Silver said his office "uncovered a fair amount of additional information" regarding Ja Morant's most recent gun-related incident, leading many to believe the Memphis Grizzlies star's latest suspension could be highly punitive.
So, when the NBA announced a 25-game ban of Morant, plus "certain conditions" for a subsequent return, it was notable that the statement did not include anything beyond what was clear already. He brandished a gun on Instagram Live, repeating the same behavior that earned him an eight-game suspension in March.
On one hand, it does seem like Morant needs more time to reflect on his actions than the few days he spent in a Florida counseling program. Around his last suspension, Morant conceded he needed to "work on learning better methods of dealing with stress and my overall well-being" and felt "pretty much numb to everything now." The eight-game ban coincided with reports from The Washington Post and The Athletic that uncovered three more allegations, including unconfirmed accusations of assault and multiple gun threats.
On the other hand, this 25-game suspension feels ... odd?
Currently, Morant is not subject publicly to any criminal charges, and his suspension falls under a broad "conduct detrimental to the league" umbrella.
The collective bargaining agreement restricts players from possessing guns "at a facility or venue owned, operated or being used by a team, the NBA or any league-related entity, and whenever a player is traveling on any NBA-related business." Morant was "leaving a social gathering in Memphis" when he "intentionally and prominently displayed a gun while in a car with several other individuals," per the league's statement.
The agreement between the NBA and its players' union requires "a license or registration as required by law for any such firearm." According to the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, "Tennessee does not require a permit to carry an openly or concealed handgun in public." Laws pertaining to guns inside parked cars, where Morant appeared to flash one, are murkier, but the state reportedly has no specific brandishing laws, and "Tennessee also expressly allows a person to carry any firearm, loaded or unloaded, in a lawfully possessed motor vehicle or boat if he or she is not prohibited from purchasing or possessing a firearm."
Based on that, Morant has not violated that specific league policy nor has he broken an established law. The NBA found his conduct problematic enough to issue two suspensions, though. As Silver's statement said, "The potential for other young people to emulate Ja’s conduct is particularly concerning."
Still, there is an absence of specifics in this instance, especially considering the "additional information" Silver alluded to before the Finals. If the NBA wants to outlaw gun ownership among employees, it should. If not, it will have to answer to the players' association.
Malik Beasley, then a member of the Minnesota Timberwolves, was suspended just 12 games in February 2021, when he was sentenced to serve 120 days in jail between NBA seasons for pleading guilty to a felony charge of making violent threats. He allegedly pointed a gun at a family parked outside his house. The couple and their 13-year-old child were reportedly in search of a home to buy in Beasley's neighborhood.
Former NBA player Stephen Jackson was suspended 30 games in 2004 for entering the stands and punching a fan in defense of Indiana Pacers teammate Ron Artest. Jackson's ban for firing a gun outside a nightclub in 2007 was just seven games. The commissioner then was David Stern, but the NBA's policies for doling out punishment have always been difficult to decipher. Compare Morant's suspension to the 30 games free-agent forward Miles Bridges just received for pleading no contest to a felony domestic violence charge (albeit following a year in which he was not signed as a direct result of his alleged criminal behavior).
Morant brandished a gun on camera. There is no easy answer for how he should have to answer for that.
Another aspect of Morant's suspension appears to be that he has repeated this offense. When Morant wielded a firearm on Instagram Live from a Colorado strip club in March, Silver said the All-NBA guard "made it clear to me that he has learned from this incident and that he understands his obligations and responsibility to the Memphis Grizzlies and the broader NBA community." Morant broke that trust in May.
As Silver said Friday, "Ja Morant’s decision to once again wield a firearm on social media is alarming and disconcerting given his similar conduct in March for which he was already suspended eight games." The statement continued, "Prior to his return to play, he will be required to formulate and fulfill a program with the league that directly addresses the circumstances that led him to repeat this destructive behavior."
The players' union countered with a strong rebuke of how the league seems to be policing behavior of unionized employees outside work that the actual police will not.
"As to the discipline imposed, which keeps [Morant] off the court until December and requires some unstated conditions to be met before he can return, we believe it is excessive and inappropriate for a number of reasons including the facts involved in this particular incident, and that it is not fair and consistent with past discipline in our league," NBPA executive director Tamika Tremaglio said in a statement Friday. "We will explore with Ja all options and next steps."
Morant offered no indication that he intended to appeal the suspension in his own statement Friday. He apologized to the league, the Grizzlies, his fans and sponsors, adding, "I hope you'll give me the chance to prove to you over time I'm a better man than what I've been showing you." He has made similar statements before and broken the same promise. He may well let the NBPA debate the morality of that on his behalf.
Does the NBA think it can punish someone into being a better man? Should the NBA be in the business of prioritizing the righteousness of its players? Golden State Warriors forward Draymond Green faced no penalty from the league for punching teammate Jordan Poole in the face at a team facility. If a 25-game suspension results in Morant's improved well-being, all the better, but that's another matter entirely.
Bob
MY NOTE: I think the seriousness of this 25 game suspension is about it being Morant's 2nd offense in a matter of months, showing a complete lack of a learning curve. The carrot didn't work, so here comes the stick. Morant just signed a 5 year $194M contract. He'll get paid $33.5M next year, of which he'll play a maximum of 57 games. He's a helluva player. 2X All-Star, 1X All-NBA and not even 24 yet. Is the Memphis front office done with his repeated, team-hurting bone-headed decisions? Will Memphis shop him? He is any teams long-term solution at point guard, except for his 3pt shooting, NOT his forte, but otherwise he's a killa and as I said he won't even be 24 until August.
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bobheckler wrote:https://nbaanalysis.net/2023/06/16/nba-news-michael-jordan-agrees-sell-charlotte-hornets-stake-3-billion-rumors/
Michael Jordan To Sell Hornets Stake For Shocking Amount
June 16, 2023 Ashish Mathur
NBA legend Michael Jordan has agreed to sell his majority stake in the Charlotte Hornets to a group led by Gabe Plotkin and Rick Schnall for an approximate $3 billion valuation, according to Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN.
Jordan will continue to oversee basketball operations through the 2023 NBA draft and the start of free agency. The Chicago Bulls icon will keep a minority stake and maintain a presence with the franchise.
Schnall, a minority owner with the Atlanta Hawks, and Plotkin, a minority owner with the Hornets, will become Charlotte’s governors once the NBA completes its vetting and approval process. Jordan paid $275 million for a majority stake in the franchise back in 2010, becoming the league’s only Black majority owner.
the 2023 NBA Draft. Their current best player is All-Star point guard LaMelo Ball.
“Jordan sold a significant minority stake to Plotkin, founder and chief investment officer of Melvin Capital, and Daniel Sundheim, founder and chief investment officer of D1 Capital, in 2020, and Sundheim is part of the group purchasing the Hornets, sources said,” Woj wrote. “Schnall, co-president at private equity firm Clayton, Dubilier & Rice in New York, was part of a group including majority owner Tony Ressler and Grant Hill that purchased the Hawks in 2015 for $850 million.”
Bob
MY NOTE: Jordan bought a majority of the team for $275M, he's selling some (most?) of his position for $3B. That's > 10X capital appreciation and he still owns part of the team! 60 years old and MJ's still dunking on people.
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After it is all said and done, he still will be a minority owner and he will still be the loudest voice in the room. The Hornets are . . .
DOOMED!!!!!!!!
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bobheckler wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/is-ja-morants-25-game-suspension-for-flashing-a-gun-fair-if-he-has-not-been-charged-with-a-crime-233552626.html
Is Ja Morant's 25-game suspension for flashing a gun fair if he has not been charged with a crime?
Ben Rohrbach
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Fri, Jun 16, 2023, 4:35 PM PDT·6 min read
During his annual state-of-the-league address before the NBA Finals, commissioner Adam Silver said his office "uncovered a fair amount of additional information" regarding Ja Morant's most recent gun-related incident, leading many to believe the Memphis Grizzlies star's latest suspension could be highly punitive.
So, when the NBA announced a 25-game ban of Morant, plus "certain conditions" for a subsequent return, it was notable that the statement did not include anything beyond what was clear already. He brandished a gun on Instagram Live, repeating the same behavior that earned him an eight-game suspension in March.
On one hand, it does seem like Morant needs more time to reflect on his actions than the few days he spent in a Florida counseling program. Around his last suspension, Morant conceded he needed to "work on learning better methods of dealing with stress and my overall well-being" and felt "pretty much numb to everything now." The eight-game ban coincided with reports from The Washington Post and The Athletic that uncovered three more allegations, including unconfirmed accusations of assault and multiple gun threats.
On the other hand, this 25-game suspension feels ... odd?
Currently, Morant is not subject publicly to any criminal charges, and his suspension falls under a broad "conduct detrimental to the league" umbrella.
The collective bargaining agreement restricts players from possessing guns "at a facility or venue owned, operated or being used by a team, the NBA or any league-related entity, and whenever a player is traveling on any NBA-related business." Morant was "leaving a social gathering in Memphis" when he "intentionally and prominently displayed a gun while in a car with several other individuals," per the league's statement.
The agreement between the NBA and its players' union requires "a license or registration as required by law for any such firearm." According to the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, "Tennessee does not require a permit to carry an openly or concealed handgun in public." Laws pertaining to guns inside parked cars, where Morant appeared to flash one, are murkier, but the state reportedly has no specific brandishing laws, and "Tennessee also expressly allows a person to carry any firearm, loaded or unloaded, in a lawfully possessed motor vehicle or boat if he or she is not prohibited from purchasing or possessing a firearm."
Based on that, Morant has not violated that specific league policy nor has he broken an established law. The NBA found his conduct problematic enough to issue two suspensions, though. As Silver's statement said, "The potential for other young people to emulate Ja’s conduct is particularly concerning."
Still, there is an absence of specifics in this instance, especially considering the "additional information" Silver alluded to before the Finals. If the NBA wants to outlaw gun ownership among employees, it should. If not, it will have to answer to the players' association.
Malik Beasley, then a member of the Minnesota Timberwolves, was suspended just 12 games in February 2021, when he was sentenced to serve 120 days in jail between NBA seasons for pleading guilty to a felony charge of making violent threats. He allegedly pointed a gun at a family parked outside his house. The couple and their 13-year-old child were reportedly in search of a home to buy in Beasley's neighborhood.
Former NBA player Stephen Jackson was suspended 30 games in 2004 for entering the stands and punching a fan in defense of Indiana Pacers teammate Ron Artest. Jackson's ban for firing a gun outside a nightclub in 2007 was just seven games. The commissioner then was David Stern, but the NBA's policies for doling out punishment have always been difficult to decipher. Compare Morant's suspension to the 30 games free-agent forward Miles Bridges just received for pleading no contest to a felony domestic violence charge (albeit following a year in which he was not signed as a direct result of his alleged criminal behavior).
Morant brandished a gun on camera. There is no easy answer for how he should have to answer for that.
Another aspect of Morant's suspension appears to be that he has repeated this offense. When Morant wielded a firearm on Instagram Live from a Colorado strip club in March, Silver said the All-NBA guard "made it clear to me that he has learned from this incident and that he understands his obligations and responsibility to the Memphis Grizzlies and the broader NBA community." Morant broke that trust in May.
As Silver said Friday, "Ja Morant’s decision to once again wield a firearm on social media is alarming and disconcerting given his similar conduct in March for which he was already suspended eight games." The statement continued, "Prior to his return to play, he will be required to formulate and fulfill a program with the league that directly addresses the circumstances that led him to repeat this destructive behavior."
The players' union countered with a strong rebuke of how the league seems to be policing behavior of unionized employees outside work that the actual police will not.
"As to the discipline imposed, which keeps [Morant] off the court until December and requires some unstated conditions to be met before he can return, we believe it is excessive and inappropriate for a number of reasons including the facts involved in this particular incident, and that it is not fair and consistent with past discipline in our league," NBPA executive director Tamika Tremaglio said in a statement Friday. "We will explore with Ja all options and next steps."
Morant offered no indication that he intended to appeal the suspension in his own statement Friday. He apologized to the league, the Grizzlies, his fans and sponsors, adding, "I hope you'll give me the chance to prove to you over time I'm a better man than what I've been showing you." He has made similar statements before and broken the same promise. He may well let the NBPA debate the morality of that on his behalf.
Does the NBA think it can punish someone into being a better man? Should the NBA be in the business of prioritizing the righteousness of its players? Golden State Warriors forward Draymond Green faced no penalty from the league for punching teammate Jordan Poole in the face at a team facility. If a 25-game suspension results in Morant's improved well-being, all the better, but that's another matter entirely.
Bob
MY NOTE: I think the seriousness of this 25 game suspension is about it being Morant's 2nd offense in a matter of months, showing a complete lack of a learning curve. The carrot didn't work, so here comes the stick. Morant just signed a 5 year $194M contract. He'll get paid $33.5M next year, of which he'll play a maximum of 57 games. He's a helluva player. 2X All-Star, 1X All-NBA and not even 24 yet. Is the Memphis front office done with his repeated, team-hurting bone-headed decisions? Will Memphis shop him? He is any teams long-term solution at point guard, except for his 3pt shooting, NOT his forte, but otherwise he's a killa and as I said he won't even be 24 until August.
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OK, Ktron, I'm not going to say....but I....!!
Well, close enough! Jordan still a has a smaller stake! It was just a lucky guess as is all my crapola!!
The real question is, given how horrendous the Hornets are, how in the world did he get $3 Billion?!!! That's the steal of the century!! Hope the idiots on the other side of this transaction don't get Buyers Remorse!! Maybe they can turn the proverbial train wreck around, second only to say the Wizards and up until recently, the Kings.
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Well, close enough! Jordan still a has a smaller stake! It was just a lucky guess as is all my crapola!!
The real question is, given how horrendous the Hornets are, how in the world did he get $3 Billion?!!! That's the steal of the century!! Hope the idiots on the other side of this transaction don't get Buyers Remorse!! Maybe they can turn the proverbial train wreck around, second only to say the Wizards and up until recently, the Kings.
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dbrown4 wrote:OK, Ktron, I'm not going to say....but I....!!
Well, close enough! Jordan still a has a smaller stake! It was just a lucky guess as is all my crapola!!
The real question is, given how horrendous the Hornets are, how in the world did he get $3 Billion?!!! That's the steal of the century!! Hope the idiots on the other side of this transaction don't get Buyers Remorse!! Maybe they can turn the proverbial train wreck around, second only to say the Wizards and up until recently, the Kings.
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But but but, I didn’t say anything this time..”>)
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Great deal for Jordan.
Nice ROI for a relatively short holding period.
Add to it the fact that he still has an equity position.
Be it his idea or driven by an advisor; smart. Very smart.
Nice ROI for a relatively short holding period.
Add to it the fact that he still has an equity position.
Be it his idea or driven by an advisor; smart. Very smart.
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If the Hornets are worth $3B and MJ has a majority stake, the least he will get will be $1.5B plus retaining his minority interest. He's not getting $3B. The Celts are worth $4B total.
MJ still makes $400M a year from Nike. Passive income. The man is nobody's fool.
MJ still makes $400M a year from Nike. Passive income. The man is nobody's fool.
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