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Terry Rozier: The Survivor
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Terry Rozier: The Survivor
by Joshua Bateman
15 hours agoFollow @JoshSportsSpeak
Terry Rozier has remarkably made it though the complete roster turnover for the Boston Celtics
The Boston Celtics have gone through the most remarkable roster turnover maybe in the history of the game. With just four players and one starter returning from an Eastern Conference Finals team, the Celtics have flipped just about every possible option.
When you look at the returning members, it initially makes a lot of sense. Al Horford, the lone returning starter, was just signed to a max contract and was arguably the most important player on the team, so it was obvious that he was staying put.
Then you have Jaylen Brown, which also makes a lot of sense. His name was certainly thrown around in trade discussions, but the it feels as though the Celtics value him a lot more than most of the league, and he might have been and may continue to be the most untouchable player on this team.
With Marcus Smart, there was some real risk of losing him. When the Celtics signed Gordon Hayward, they knew they would have to free up cap space. The Celtics then made their commitment to Smart by trying Avery Bradley and Jae Crowder instead.
It is also not too difficult to see why. He is younger, and he already has a case to be the best defensive guard in the league. If Smart develops a shot, then he could be one of the best two way guards in the league.
Then there is the final player returning, and he might be the most fascinating part of this Celtics’ offseason. There may not be another player more tied to trade rumors than Terry Rozier, and despite having a minor role on the team, he is one of the last men standing.
It gets even more interesting when you look at Rozier’s entire tenure with the Celtics. He was drafted in the same round as R.J Hunter, and the two of them started out quite similarly. Both of them were in and out of the rotation, and there was a time when Hunter’s shooting potential appeared to be better than anything Rozier could offer.
But, with his intense rebounding and ability to push the pace, Rozier managed to stick around a little longer.
The first real good sign, however, is when he got a chance in the playoffs. Rozier had his first real role in the playoffs, and he did not disappoint. Despite that, he was still tied to each and every trade rumor, and many people were wondering why Danny Ainge was holding onto a guard who cant shoot on a roster with plenty of guards that can’t shoot.
For whatever reason, Rozier’s shooting was never enough for the Celtics to part ways with him. Despite that, Rozier still never managed to get a consistent role on the team, making it perplexing that the Celtics held onto a player that they were not playing.
Then last year’s playoffs came around, and that might have been the beginning of something special. The fact that the Celtics held onto him after that playoff performance, despite losing almost the entire roster, could be an indication of a breakout season.
The Celtics had every reason, and probably every chance to trade Rozier in one of their many moves. At no point, however, did it ever appear to be a real possibility that Rozier would be getting traded.
There may not be another player that appeared to be close to being off the roster, while still beating out the plethora of players that were sent packing before him. Maybe they never had an acceptable package involving him, or maybe Rozier is just the ultimate trade rumor survivor.
bob
MY NOTE: Hard to believe there's Celtic life beyond "the trade". This article does a pretty good job of pointing out how the Celtic front office thinks of TR. We have heard that teams were asking about him, wanted him to be included in trades, but he never was. I think, with AB's contract coming up for renewal, Danny has always seen TR as his successor. TR is almost a Bradley-clone. Weak on offense, like Avery was in his first few years, but NBA-ready defense from Day 1. He is about to have his day in the sun this year, and we need him to step up to it. And have I mentioned what a great rebounder,
inch-for-inch, he is?
.
Terry Rozier: The Survivor
by Joshua Bateman
15 hours agoFollow @JoshSportsSpeak
Terry Rozier has remarkably made it though the complete roster turnover for the Boston Celtics
The Boston Celtics have gone through the most remarkable roster turnover maybe in the history of the game. With just four players and one starter returning from an Eastern Conference Finals team, the Celtics have flipped just about every possible option.
When you look at the returning members, it initially makes a lot of sense. Al Horford, the lone returning starter, was just signed to a max contract and was arguably the most important player on the team, so it was obvious that he was staying put.
Then you have Jaylen Brown, which also makes a lot of sense. His name was certainly thrown around in trade discussions, but the it feels as though the Celtics value him a lot more than most of the league, and he might have been and may continue to be the most untouchable player on this team.
With Marcus Smart, there was some real risk of losing him. When the Celtics signed Gordon Hayward, they knew they would have to free up cap space. The Celtics then made their commitment to Smart by trying Avery Bradley and Jae Crowder instead.
It is also not too difficult to see why. He is younger, and he already has a case to be the best defensive guard in the league. If Smart develops a shot, then he could be one of the best two way guards in the league.
Then there is the final player returning, and he might be the most fascinating part of this Celtics’ offseason. There may not be another player more tied to trade rumors than Terry Rozier, and despite having a minor role on the team, he is one of the last men standing.
It gets even more interesting when you look at Rozier’s entire tenure with the Celtics. He was drafted in the same round as R.J Hunter, and the two of them started out quite similarly. Both of them were in and out of the rotation, and there was a time when Hunter’s shooting potential appeared to be better than anything Rozier could offer.
But, with his intense rebounding and ability to push the pace, Rozier managed to stick around a little longer.
The first real good sign, however, is when he got a chance in the playoffs. Rozier had his first real role in the playoffs, and he did not disappoint. Despite that, he was still tied to each and every trade rumor, and many people were wondering why Danny Ainge was holding onto a guard who cant shoot on a roster with plenty of guards that can’t shoot.
For whatever reason, Rozier’s shooting was never enough for the Celtics to part ways with him. Despite that, Rozier still never managed to get a consistent role on the team, making it perplexing that the Celtics held onto a player that they were not playing.
Then last year’s playoffs came around, and that might have been the beginning of something special. The fact that the Celtics held onto him after that playoff performance, despite losing almost the entire roster, could be an indication of a breakout season.
The Celtics had every reason, and probably every chance to trade Rozier in one of their many moves. At no point, however, did it ever appear to be a real possibility that Rozier would be getting traded.
There may not be another player that appeared to be close to being off the roster, while still beating out the plethora of players that were sent packing before him. Maybe they never had an acceptable package involving him, or maybe Rozier is just the ultimate trade rumor survivor.
bob
MY NOTE: Hard to believe there's Celtic life beyond "the trade". This article does a pretty good job of pointing out how the Celtic front office thinks of TR. We have heard that teams were asking about him, wanted him to be included in trades, but he never was. I think, with AB's contract coming up for renewal, Danny has always seen TR as his successor. TR is almost a Bradley-clone. Weak on offense, like Avery was in his first few years, but NBA-ready defense from Day 1. He is about to have his day in the sun this year, and we need him to step up to it. And have I mentioned what a great rebounder,
inch-for-inch, he is?
.
bobheckler- Posts : 61300
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Re: Terry Rozier: The Survivor
"have I mentioned what a great rebounder,bobheckler wrote:https://hardwoodhoudini.com/2017/08/25/terry-rozier-survivor/
Terry Rozier: The Survivor
by Joshua Bateman
15 hours agoFollow @JoshSportsSpeak
Terry Rozier has remarkably made it though the complete roster turnover for the Boston Celtics
The Boston Celtics have gone through the most remarkable roster turnover maybe in the history of the game. With just four players and one starter returning from an Eastern Conference Finals team, the Celtics have flipped just about every possible option.
When you look at the returning members, it initially makes a lot of sense. Al Horford, the lone returning starter, was just signed to a max contract and was arguably the most important player on the team, so it was obvious that he was staying put.
Then you have Jaylen Brown, which also makes a lot of sense. His name was certainly thrown around in trade discussions, but the it feels as though the Celtics value him a lot more than most of the league, and he might have been and may continue to be the most untouchable player on this team.
With Marcus Smart, there was some real risk of losing him. When the Celtics signed Gordon Hayward, they knew they would have to free up cap space. The Celtics then made their commitment to Smart by trying Avery Bradley and Jae Crowder instead.
It is also not too difficult to see why. He is younger, and he already has a case to be the best defensive guard in the league. If Smart develops a shot, then he could be one of the best two way guards in the league.
Then there is the final player returning, and he might be the most fascinating part of this Celtics’ offseason. There may not be another player more tied to trade rumors than Terry Rozier, and despite having a minor role on the team, he is one of the last men standing.
It gets even more interesting when you look at Rozier’s entire tenure with the Celtics. He was drafted in the same round as R.J Hunter, and the two of them started out quite similarly. Both of them were in and out of the rotation, and there was a time when Hunter’s shooting potential appeared to be better than anything Rozier could offer.
But, with his intense rebounding and ability to push the pace, Rozier managed to stick around a little longer.
The first real good sign, however, is when he got a chance in the playoffs. Rozier had his first real role in the playoffs, and he did not disappoint. Despite that, he was still tied to each and every trade rumor, and many people were wondering why Danny Ainge was holding onto a guard who cant shoot on a roster with plenty of guards that can’t shoot.
For whatever reason, Rozier’s shooting was never enough for the Celtics to part ways with him. Despite that, Rozier still never managed to get a consistent role on the team, making it perplexing that the Celtics held onto a player that they were not playing.
Then last year’s playoffs came around, and that might have been the beginning of something special. The fact that the Celtics held onto him after that playoff performance, despite losing almost the entire roster, could be an indication of a breakout season.
The Celtics had every reason, and probably every chance to trade Rozier in one of their many moves. At no point, however, did it ever appear to be a real possibility that Rozier would be getting traded.
There may not be another player that appeared to be close to being off the roster, while still beating out the plethora of players that were sent packing before him. Maybe they never had an acceptable package involving him, or maybe Rozier is just the ultimate trade rumor survivor.
bob
MY NOTE: Hard to believe there's Celtic life beyond "the trade". This article does a pretty good job of pointing out how the Celtic front office thinks of TR. We have heard that teams were asking about him, wanted him to be included in trades, but he never was. I think, with AB's contract coming up for renewal, Danny has always seen TR as his successor. TR is almost a Bradley-clone. Weak on offense, like Avery was in his first few years, but NBA-ready defense from Day 1. He is about to have his day in the sun this year, and we need him to step up to it. And have I mentioned what a great rebounder,
inch-for-inch, he is?
.
inch-for-inch, he is?"
I vaguely recall you have.
steve3344- Posts : 4166
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Re: Terry Rozier: The Survivor
What changed in the past two years of playoffs for Terry was his shooting. Like Marcus, he's a money player.
worcester- Posts : 11522
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Re: Terry Rozier: The Survivor
I think that both Stevens and Ainge do a great job of evaluating their own talent especially to the point of when to get rid of guys. They are also very patient with their draft picks as far as teaching them, training them and then utilizing them. I expect we will see this happen more and more in the years to come.
As much as we, the fans, like certain players, sometimes guys have to move on. I am a little bit concerned with the vastness of roster turnover this off season and how young and inexperienced the depths of the roster looks to be, but there was good reason for moving all of the guys who will not be back this season.
Olynyk was too big of a gamble for 17M per season as he just never showed the consistency that made him worth that gamble. Johnson had to go because his production was just not worthy of his 12M salary. James Young (who should have been shown the door much sooner) just never figured it out. Zeller was not valuable enough to warrant another 8M. Jerebko did not perform well after breaking his nose in the middle of last season. Bradley was due a big contract next year that Ainge was not going to pay. Same with Thomas plus he has an injury issue that will likely hinder him this season since they did not operate back in May. Crowder (through no fault of his own) had to go to make the Irving trade work with the salary match up and to match quality in the Irving trade. Jordan was not going to play as he is/was a tweener and also showed too much James Young "unknowing" characteristics. Zizic has not proven himself yet, but had to go to add potential quality to the Irving trade. Gerald Green just didn't seem to fit for some reason. Of course, he is still available and may be able to replicate his 2017 roles if given the chance. If Green could rebound while playing a big man's position I would have already re-signed him.
Rozier has lots of talent, and if he is ready to make a solid contribution to the rotation this year we will all be glad that he was not traded. I can only see him improving in all phases of the game again this year, and adding more minutes to his playing time.
I will predict that Rozier becomes a double digit scorer who also adds four assists and 5.5 rebounds per game this year in about 26 minutes per game.
As much as we, the fans, like certain players, sometimes guys have to move on. I am a little bit concerned with the vastness of roster turnover this off season and how young and inexperienced the depths of the roster looks to be, but there was good reason for moving all of the guys who will not be back this season.
Olynyk was too big of a gamble for 17M per season as he just never showed the consistency that made him worth that gamble. Johnson had to go because his production was just not worthy of his 12M salary. James Young (who should have been shown the door much sooner) just never figured it out. Zeller was not valuable enough to warrant another 8M. Jerebko did not perform well after breaking his nose in the middle of last season. Bradley was due a big contract next year that Ainge was not going to pay. Same with Thomas plus he has an injury issue that will likely hinder him this season since they did not operate back in May. Crowder (through no fault of his own) had to go to make the Irving trade work with the salary match up and to match quality in the Irving trade. Jordan was not going to play as he is/was a tweener and also showed too much James Young "unknowing" characteristics. Zizic has not proven himself yet, but had to go to add potential quality to the Irving trade. Gerald Green just didn't seem to fit for some reason. Of course, he is still available and may be able to replicate his 2017 roles if given the chance. If Green could rebound while playing a big man's position I would have already re-signed him.
Rozier has lots of talent, and if he is ready to make a solid contribution to the rotation this year we will all be glad that he was not traded. I can only see him improving in all phases of the game again this year, and adding more minutes to his playing time.
I will predict that Rozier becomes a double digit scorer who also adds four assists and 5.5 rebounds per game this year in about 26 minutes per game.
wideclyde- Posts : 2390
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Re: Terry Rozier: The Survivor
worcester wrote:What changed in the past two years of playoffs for Terry was his shooting. Like Marcus, he's a money player.
Worcester,
You are right, he is a money player, a playoff player and that's what we are looking for.
2016-2017 Regular Season/Game
17.1 mpg, 5.5ppg, 36.7% fg%, 31.8% 3pt fg%, 43.7% eFG%, 3.1rebs, 1.8 assists vs .6 TOs (3:1).
2016-2017 Playoffs/Game
16.3mpg, 5.6ppg, 40.2% fg%, 36.8% fg%, 48.8% eFG%, 2.6rebs, 1.9 assists vs .6TOs (3.16:1).
2016-2017 Regular Season/36mpg
11.7ppg, 6.5 rebs, 3.7 assists vs 1.3 TOs
2016-2017 Playoffs/36mpg
12.5ppg, 4.2rebs, 4.2 assists vs 1.3TOs
TR's fg% and 3pt fg% are up in the playoffs which brought his effective fg% (eFG%) up a whopping 50 points, as is his scoring, assists and assist:TO ratio. He fell off a bit on rebounding, but not much.
He's the type of player a successful playoff team needs, a player who ups their game in the playoffs and not one who disappears. You don't win championships in the first 82 games.
bob
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bobheckler- Posts : 61300
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Re: Terry Rozier: The Survivor
TR can get o the numbers mentioned above only if he becomes the full time bu PG.
dboss
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Re: Terry Rozier: The Survivor
Bob
There is that 36 MPG projection again.
the actual production is the only thing that shows up in the box score.
dboss
There is that 36 MPG projection again.
the actual production is the only thing that shows up in the box score.
dboss
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Re: Terry Rozier: The Survivor
dboss wrote:Bob
There is that 36 MPG projection again.
the actual production is the only thing that shows up in the box score.
dboss
dboss,
There is nothing wrong with using /36mpg comparisons for the same player like I did above, comparing Terry Rozier in the regular season averaging 17mpg vs Terry Rozier in the playoffs playing 16mpg, or for comparable players (same position), playing comparable minutes/game. Where it falls down is comparing bench players playing 15mpg to starters playing 32mpg.
bob
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bobheckler- Posts : 61300
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Re: Terry Rozier: The Survivor
True dat Bob. Meanwhile, roatia is fabulous. Split and the palace of Emperor Diocletian (whwre part of Game of Thrones was filmed) were astounding, and the island of Hvar off the coast is the ultimate Med party paradise. And all so inexpensive. Ante Zizic could live like a prince fot three lifetimes on his rookie salary alone.
worcester- Posts : 11522
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Re: Terry Rozier: The Survivor
worcester wrote:True dat Bob. Meanwhile, roatia is fabulous. Split and the palace of Emperor Diocletian (whwre part of Game of Thrones was filmed) were astounding, and the island of Hvar off the coast is the ultimate Med party paradise. And all so inexpensive. Ante Zizic could live like a prince fot three lifetimes on his rookie salary alone.
Sounds like my type of place.
bob
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