Is it time to shore up the 5-spot?
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So, what should Danny do, stay his ground or lets make a deal?
Is it time to shore up the 5-spot?
With Aron Baynes out for a month (or more) and with the uncertain timeline for Al Horford's eventual return, is it time for Trader Danny to get back to work? We have some assets that don't seem to fit in with our current scheme, mostly due to their lack of consistent playing time or their general lack of NBA skills. I'm looking at you, Semi Ojeleye and Guerschon Yabusele, respectively.
We also have in our back pocket, four first round draft picks in the 2019 NBA draft. Certainly Danny could find a player that could be had for the cost of one of the first round picks and a player that may better work out for a team that is not a contender.
We could also stand pat. That would be an option for Danny given that he actually has knowledge about the walking (or limping) wounded: Horford, Morris, Yabusele, etc. We do not have that knowledge and we have to work from the idea that the sky is falling, don't we? LOL
Here is a list of potential trade bait and their current salaries:
Terry Rozier $3,050,389
Guerschon Yabusele $2,667,600
Semi Ojeleye $1,378,242
Jabari Bird $1,349,383
Brad Wanamaker $838,464
Please send a post that includes your choice; to do nothing or make a trade. Please name the player and draft pick you would trade away. Also include the intended target, if you have one in mind.
gyso
We also have in our back pocket, four first round draft picks in the 2019 NBA draft. Certainly Danny could find a player that could be had for the cost of one of the first round picks and a player that may better work out for a team that is not a contender.
We could also stand pat. That would be an option for Danny given that he actually has knowledge about the walking (or limping) wounded: Horford, Morris, Yabusele, etc. We do not have that knowledge and we have to work from the idea that the sky is falling, don't we? LOL
Here is a list of potential trade bait and their current salaries:
Terry Rozier $3,050,389
Guerschon Yabusele $2,667,600
Semi Ojeleye $1,378,242
Jabari Bird $1,349,383
Brad Wanamaker $838,464
Please send a post that includes your choice; to do nothing or make a trade. Please name the player and draft pick you would trade away. Also include the intended target, if you have one in mind.
gyso
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gyso- Posts : 22139
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Re: Is it time to shore up the 5-spot?
Got a list of what bigs might be available to pluck??
RosalieTCeltics- Posts : 40127
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I could only speculate about the plausibility of a match up of players that would be involved in any trade - especially end of the bench and late 1st round draft picks - I bow to Danny's 35 or so years in the NBA vs my zero years experience.
swish
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swish- Posts : 3147
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swish wrote:I could only speculate about the plausibility of a match up of players that would be involved in any trade - especially end of the bench and late 1st round draft picks - I bow to Danny's 35 or so years in the NBA vs my zero years experience.
swish
But where is the fun in that?
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gyso
Well you knew I would say no trade now.
Horford has been out for 6 games. There is no structural issue here and the Celtics are playing it with caution because it is a long season and they do not want to make it a chronic issue His situation can be managed.
Baynes probably misses a month but as you know different people heal at different rates.
In both cases they are expected to return. Horford could be back any day now.
I do not see Boston using any draft assets on a rent -a-player. So if they were to make a move and use a draft pick, it would have to be for a keeper. I just do not see that happening because of their tenuous salary issues coming up this summer.
Now that we know Williams can play I look for him to take some of the burden off Al when he returns. Theis will also be a valuable option. A month from now before the trade deadline hits Boston can re-evaluate the situation.
No need to waste your gunpowder on a little skirmish.
Well you knew I would say no trade now.
Horford has been out for 6 games. There is no structural issue here and the Celtics are playing it with caution because it is a long season and they do not want to make it a chronic issue His situation can be managed.
Baynes probably misses a month but as you know different people heal at different rates.
In both cases they are expected to return. Horford could be back any day now.
I do not see Boston using any draft assets on a rent -a-player. So if they were to make a move and use a draft pick, it would have to be for a keeper. I just do not see that happening because of their tenuous salary issues coming up this summer.
Now that we know Williams can play I look for him to take some of the burden off Al when he returns. Theis will also be a valuable option. A month from now before the trade deadline hits Boston can re-evaluate the situation.
No need to waste your gunpowder on a little skirmish.
dboss- Posts : 18770
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I can give you a trade that would work. Semi for Zaza Pachulia.
Yabu makes too much. Anybody ready to move semi for a one year veteran rental center?
How desperate are we?
there is no fun in this
Yabu makes too much. Anybody ready to move semi for a one year veteran rental center?
How desperate are we?
there is no fun in this
dboss- Posts : 18770
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dboss,
I knew that you'd say no trade now. That's why I put it on top, so you could easily find it!
gyso
I knew that you'd say no trade now. That's why I put it on top, so you could easily find it!
gyso
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gyso wrote:dboss,
I knew that you'd say no trade now. That's why I put it on top, so you could easily find it!
gyso
You are so accommodating. lol
dboss- Posts : 18770
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gyso wrote:swish wrote:I could only speculate about the plausibility of a match up of players that would be involved in any trade - especially end of the bench and late 1st round draft picks - I bow to Danny's 35 or so years in the NBA vs my zero years experience.
swish
But where is the fun in that?
None what so ever - but it's the answer that I'm most comfortable with.
swish
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I am not too sure about giving up on Semi....
I do think Yabusele is trade bait, but I am beginning to think we rate our guys a little to high on the "want" list.
I am not a Zaza fan, i don't think I could stomach having him in green. But, I do think we need help at the five.
So....I will give up Yabusele and the Memphis pick for...........Kanter??????ha ha I really am at a loss who they would get for this kind of a trade.
I do think Al will be back sooner than later, he is not lost for the season. He may even be there Friday which would be a blessing.
I will leave the trading to Danny, I resign my position
as his assistant
I do think Yabusele is trade bait, but I am beginning to think we rate our guys a little to high on the "want" list.
I am not a Zaza fan, i don't think I could stomach having him in green. But, I do think we need help at the five.
So....I will give up Yabusele and the Memphis pick for...........Kanter??????ha ha I really am at a loss who they would get for this kind of a trade.
I do think Al will be back sooner than later, he is not lost for the season. He may even be there Friday which would be a blessing.
I will leave the trading to Danny, I resign my position
as his assistant
RosalieTCeltics- Posts : 40127
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I talked about Bobby Portis being on the trade market a few days back.
I was reminded of his fisticuffs with a teammate last year then.
but to re hash
Yabusele and any of the none Kings firsts for Portis might work.
I was reminded of his fisticuffs with a teammate last year then.
but to re hash
Yabusele and any of the none Kings firsts for Portis might work.
kdp59- Posts : 5709
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kdp59 wrote:I talked about Bobby Portis being on the trade market a few days back.
I was reminded of his fisticuffs with a teammate last year then.
but to re hash
Yabusele and any of the none Kings firsts for Portis might work.
Portis is a PF. I thought the 5 was the issue here. Also Portis will be a RFA mext year just like Rozier. Do you really want to part with Yabu and a first rounder for him??
dboss- Posts : 18770
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Yabu and a pick for Daedmon.
worcester- Posts : 11523
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Don’t give up Worcester, they will hear you!!!!!!
RosalieTCeltics- Posts : 40127
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kdp59 wrote:I talked about Bobby Portis being on the trade market a few days back.
I was reminded of his fisticuffs with a teammate last year then.
but to re hash
Yabusele and any of the none Kings firsts for Portis might work.
Portis is out for 2-4 weeks.
tjmakz- Posts : 4278
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Semi is not a big.
Yabusele is not an NBA level player. Semi is barely one (a Semi NBA level player?)
Horford is declining.
Baynes is hurt again.
Williams has a good chance to become the starter for a long time, but right now is still learning.
Theis is a decent big for depth. Perhaps a third or fourth option at center, who can help in short stretches.
Needed; Reinforcement bigs... now. Temps are OK. Longer term, another quality big needs to be found.
It's not a choice in the poll above, but Semi, Yabusele, and a first. Bottom line is nobody is really going to want Yabusele, probably not Semi either, but a first rounder will sweeten the pot. May have to throw in more.
No choice here. It's a must.
Yabusele is not an NBA level player. Semi is barely one (a Semi NBA level player?)
Horford is declining.
Baynes is hurt again.
Williams has a good chance to become the starter for a long time, but right now is still learning.
Theis is a decent big for depth. Perhaps a third or fourth option at center, who can help in short stretches.
Needed; Reinforcement bigs... now. Temps are OK. Longer term, another quality big needs to be found.
It's not a choice in the poll above, but Semi, Yabusele, and a first. Bottom line is nobody is really going to want Yabusele, probably not Semi either, but a first rounder will sweeten the pot. May have to throw in more.
No choice here. It's a must.
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worcester wrote:Yabu and a pick for Daedmon.
I do not think the $$ work but I like Daedmon
dboss- Posts : 18770
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dboss wrote:worcester wrote:Yabu and a pick for Daedmon.
I do not think the $$ work but I like Daedmon
Will not work he makes $6.3 million.
dboss- Posts : 18770
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Would we be having this conversation if Baynes did not get hurt?
dboss- Posts : 18770
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Actually this might be a blessing, forcing Williams to get a lot of minutes, Baynes and Al can both comeback healthy and fresh for the stretch run with Williams. I want to see some alignments with Time Lord playing with Al and Baynes.
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dboss wrote:Would we be having this conversation if Baynes did not get hurt?
He did, so we are. We were already light at center before Baynes got hurt.
So actually, we would have gotten around to having a similar conversation in a month or so anyways.
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Danny might be better off filling that 2 way contract that is open with a G-league player like say Willie Reed or someone else with NBA experience.
kdp59- Posts : 5709
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I'm sure Danny and Brad are discussing the issue of the needed 5.
worcester- Posts : 11523
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I voted for "do nothing".
We already have 4 bigs on the roster, 5 if you include small-ball 5 Yabusele. That's plenty.
We have a short-term thinness at that position but Al is expected back early next week, although he won't be back for tonight's game vs Milwaukee. So, next week a lot of our problem will take care of itself.
People have been calling for The Time Lord to get more minutes. Well? Here ya go. Baynes has only been averaging 14mpg this season. Thanks to all the minutes Williams played vs Phoenix he is now up to 8.8mpg. Theis is averaging 15mpg (that's right, Theis is actually averaging more mpg than Baynes this season!). While we might be in deep kimchi tonight vs the Bucks we should be ok after that. Don't you think that, with Al back to playing his normal minutes, Theis and Williams can't handle an additional 14mpg divided somehow between the two of them?
bob
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We already have 4 bigs on the roster, 5 if you include small-ball 5 Yabusele. That's plenty.
We have a short-term thinness at that position but Al is expected back early next week, although he won't be back for tonight's game vs Milwaukee. So, next week a lot of our problem will take care of itself.
People have been calling for The Time Lord to get more minutes. Well? Here ya go. Baynes has only been averaging 14mpg this season. Thanks to all the minutes Williams played vs Phoenix he is now up to 8.8mpg. Theis is averaging 15mpg (that's right, Theis is actually averaging more mpg than Baynes this season!). While we might be in deep kimchi tonight vs the Bucks we should be ok after that. Don't you think that, with Al back to playing his normal minutes, Theis and Williams can't handle an additional 14mpg divided somehow between the two of them?
bob
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