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Post by dbrown4 Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:11 am

No offense but what MIL did to the Knicks last night was kinda close to what we should expect from our boys once hell freezes over and there are no more injuries to our key players.

20 point victory would have been fine.

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Post by gyso Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:26 am

Notice the "Diff" column (above in a previous post on Page 1).  It stands for point differential.

In the East, the top teams pretty much line up in order, largest differential to smallest.

In the West, it doesn't line up so well.  Denver sticks out like a sore thumb.  I believe they will move down in the standings, maybe out of the top three or four teams in the West.

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Post by worcester Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:08 am

We are 5th in PA. Our Offense will improve when GH returns.
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Post by dbrown4 Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:52 am

As long as DEN decapitates LAL tonight, worcester, their point differential can stay whack out west!

Looks like in the East the next two days, it's a severe battle for 2nd. Heat probably aren't going to lose twice but it is a B2B for them. Wow, that really sucks! (Insert sarcasm here).. Looks like we'll be drawing the short straw with MS in flux or out for the game.

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Post by worcester Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:03 am

ms needs a break...looking at the long haul what matters is that our core guys be healthy in April...
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Post by dbrown4 Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:19 am

Yes however nothing jacks up chemistry more than a continuous, tag-your-it stream of front-line injuries.  He does need a break although he probably thinks he's good to go tomorrow night.    

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P.S. I do think Wanamaker has firmly established himself coming off the bench. Now it's on to firmly establishing #2 off the bench. Everybody's going to get plenty of time to prove themselves with all the front line holes. Step on it!
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Post by dboss Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:33 am

Six legit teams in the East.  When Pacers get VO back they are as good as anyone in the East.

This is setting up as a grueling season.  Injuries can kill a team's chemistry.

Without MS and GH the Celtics are average.  So I think they will start dropping games until those guys get back.  We do not have replacements for those guys.  Expect to see Tatum and Brown play extended minutes.

Our rookies have been disappointing.  Romeo walks around with a 'fragile handle with care sign' CE  must be paired with a bigger guard and GW cannot rebound or score that well.  The brightest light in the rotation has been Brad Wannamaker who will see more minutes with Marcus out.

I do like Waters because he has the ability to run an offense.

The good thing is that we have a ton of games remaining to put it all together.  Looks to me like 25 games is not enough time.  Now I think at least 40 will be needed to be able to evaluate and determine contender or pretender.
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Post by dboss Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:09 pm

Yes I love guys that can score, rebound and defend.  The stats associated with that however do not tell the whole story.  Fit is perhaps a bigger factor.

Lets's use Grant Williams as a prime example.  

He is only averaging 2.2 PPG and 2.2 rebounds.  He #15 on the team in scoring and tied for 10th in rebounding.  Those are scrub level numbers.  He is shooting 25.9% from the field and 0% from deep on 21 attempts.

But on this team his true value can best be reflected in his advanced numbers on offense and defense.  Net ratings are another imperfect statistic when a player does not log a lot of minutes but they are one indicator of value when a particular player is on the court.

Grant is 105.0 on offense and 95.7 on defense for a net rating of +9.7.  Again this is not a perfect measurement but it does support his utilization on this team in spite of his eye sore stats.
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Post by dbrown4 Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:18 pm

dboss,

Agreed, but doesn't it reach a point where we have to draw a line in the sand and say this is what we got and go with it? We got about a 3 game taste of a fully operation Death Star before the wheels came off. What if at 40 games, heaven forbid, one or both of the J&J boys goes down? The season becomes one of just (re)shuffling lineups in hopes of timing it all perfectly for the playoffs. Then there's no chemistry to speak of as by G82, all our guys are finally back and get swept by IND or whoever in the first round.

I'm just a little fed up with our injuries to key players constantly leading the NBA while those teams in our neighborhood just keep rolling right along untouched. WTH, Bo?!!

Sick of it in NC,

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Post by dbrown4 Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:49 pm

Also, dboss, I think the #2 off the bench would probably have to be Kanter when Brad plays him. He is/can be a consistent DD threat. But I need a little more time/data to give him that title. Plenty of room for others to step up to the plate.

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Post by bobheckler Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:05 pm

Miami is for real. They just beat Toronto in Toronto. We play them tomorrow.


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Post by worcester Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:25 pm

Pat Reilly is a great GM.
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Post by cowens/oldschool Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:39 pm

worcester wrote:Pat Reilly is a great GM.

Really, until this year, he hasn’t done much. He does have 3 potential very good competitive wings in Butler, Winslow and Hero this year. I wouldn’t take anyone of them over our 3, but Butler and Winslow will get after it defensively and Hero has a lot of offensive potential.

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Post by tjmakz Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:40 pm

dbrown4 wrote:I'll split the hairs for you two, LAL won the 1st, LAL lost the 3rd badly/Mavs smoked the 3rd, 2nd & 4th quarters were even.

I love LeBron's comments after the game.  "Where did this team come from?!!  How'd they get on the effing schedule?!!  I thought all the teams we play this season are guaranteed sub .250 teams?!!   ESPN?????  Commissioner Silver?!!!  WTF??????  We didn't sign up for this $HIT!!  Priceless, I say, priceless.

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Don't look ahead LAL but for December you can pick from three team labels to charge into battle...

1)  0-fer December Club
2)  Official Fraud Exposure Month
3)  We'll take 4th Place and no injuries to our starting 5 for $2,000 Alex

Take your pick.

I think there needs to be an option 4.
The Lakers won at Denver by 9 points.
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Post by worcester Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:01 am

Pat Reilly won 5 titles in LA or is my math wrong? Then he took a moribund Kn ick franchise to the NBA finals. Then he won some NBA titles in Miami. More than Danny has done I might add. He hasn't done much?
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Post by cowens/oldschool Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:07 am

I meant recently, he should thank Wade for signing/befriending Lebron, just like I like to thank Kevin McHale everyday for steering KG to us....

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Post by worcester Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:15 am

It has taken Reilly less time to rebuild from a championshio team than Danny. But then neither have won another NBA championship yet, and I do think the Celts are now better and will be better for a while than the Heat, thanks to Trader Danny.
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Post by cowens/oldschool Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:18 am

Riley is a Laker, I don’t like Lakers

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Post by bobheckler Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:21 am

John Karalis @RedsArmy_John
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James Harden shot 11-for-38 and scored 50 points. That just doesn't make any sense

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Post by mrkleen09 Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:43 am

cowens/oldschool wrote:Riley is a Laker, I don’t like Lakers

cheers
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Post by NYCelt Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:09 am

cowens/oldschool wrote:Riley is a Laker, I don’t like Lakers

Can someone win Quote of the Day with an entry just after midnight?

Cowens just did!
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Post by gyso Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:02 am

bobheckler wrote:John Karalis @RedsArmy_John
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Harden lives at the free throw line. The NBA refs are complicit. They keep bending the rules for the "stars".

It is becoming a joke league, the next thing coming to the NBA will be a bucket of confetti dumped on some poor unsuspecting fan. Rolling Eyes

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Post by gyso Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:03 am

mrkleen09 wrote:
cowens/oldschool wrote:Riley is a Laker, I don’t like Lakers

cheers

Luck the Fakers!!

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Post by tardust Thu Dec 05, 2019 5:26 pm

They should just change the name of NBA Jump and First Take to Laker Jump and Laker Take. That's all either one of these shows talk about every day. I don't mind a little but today was 15 minutes of Lakers by Rachel Nichols. Disgusting.
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Post by dbrown4 Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:13 am

Agreed.  Give it a little more time, tardust.  The wheels are about to come off soon.  ESPN and Co will soon be rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.  That's the BEST part of all!

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