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By Taylor Snow |  @taylorcsnow
Celtics.com
September 25, 2021



With the start of Celtics training camp just a couple of days away, it’s time that we break down the roster and provide an idea of what the team’s depth chart will look like heading into the 2021-22 Season.

Rather than classifying the players with the traditional 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 positional tags, we are taking a page out of President of Basketball Operations Brad Stevens’ book by placing each athlete into one of the following three roles:

Ball handlers – Typically played by the 1.
Wings – A hybrid between the 2, 3 and 4.
Bigs – A hybrid between the 4 and the 5.

This week, we’ve analyzed the Celtics’ depth at the ball-handling and wing positions. Today, we wrap up our Roster Breakdown series by highlighting Boston’s bigs. As their title indicates, these are often the largest players on the floor and are usually responsible for handling the post and protecting the rim.

Here are the players who will be sharing that job for the Celtics this season:


The Bigs

Robert Williams


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Robert Williams saw his role increase significantly from the first half to the second half of last season, as he transitioned from being a backup big into becoming the Celtics' starting center. Even with Al Horford and Enes Kanter back in the mix, there is still a great chance for Williams to remain in such a role – especially considering how well he meshes with Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart, and Jayson Tatum, who says Williams is his “favorite person to play with.”

The 6-foot-8 big man has seen perennial improvement since entering the league, increasing his scoring, rebounding, and assists in each of his first three years. Last season, he produced career bests of 8.0 points, 6.9 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 1.8 blocks, and 0.8 steals, while playing 18.9 minutes per game. So on a per-36 minute basis, he put up 15.2 points, a team-high 13.1 rebounds, 3.4 assists, 3.4 blocks, and 1.6 steals.

However, his games and minutes were limited due to a long list of health issues, including hip, knee, toe, and ankle injuries. He also missed extended time in the league’s Health and Safety Protocol. If he can avoid such misfortune this season, Williams would find himself earning much more playing time, which could then help turn him into one of the best stat-sheet stuffers in the league.


Al Horford

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The first move that Brad Stevens made during his presidency was bringing Al Horford back to the Celtics. And the new head of basketball operations had great reason to.

Since Horford’s departure two summers ago, the Celtics have lacked in the stretch-big department. So having him return fills a significant void.

Horford’s versatility makes him an invaluable weapon on both ends of the floor. He’s able to score in the post, from the mid-range, and out beyond the arc. He can handle the ball and he’s a great passer, meaning teams can run their offense through him. And he’s a solid rim protector who can defend multiple positions, as proven when he earned All-Defensive honors with the Celtics four seasons ago.

The big question with Horford is whether his age will limit his action. At 35 years old, he is the only Celtic in the plus-30 committee, and typically a player with a 6-foot-9, 240-pound frame would begin to feel all those years creeping up by now. However, Horford has yet to see a decline in his production; last season with Oklahoma City, he averaged 14.2 points, 6.7 rebounds, and 3.4 assists per game, while also shooting 36.8 percent from beyond the arc on a career-high 5.4 attempts per game. So as long as he keeps sipping from the fountain of youth, Horford should continue to have significant minutes on his plate.


Enes Kanter

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Stevens brought back another locker room favorite in Enes Kanter, who has now ping-ponged back and forth between Portland and Boston over the past four seasons.

The 11-year veteran is coming off a stellar season with the Trail Blazers after averaging 11.2 points and a career-high-tying 11.0 rebounds while playing 24.2 minutes per game. He placed second in the NBA in both offensive rebounding percentage (16.8 percent) and total rebound percentage (24.2 percent), trailing only Hawks center Clint Capela in both categories. He was also one of only 11 players who appeared in all 72 games despite the uncertain nature of last season.

Kanter may not be seeing quite as many minutes now that he’s back with the Celtics (he played 16.9 minutes per game in Boston two seasons ago with averages of 8.1 PPG and 7.4 RPG), but his rebounding efficiency should remain the same whenever he's on the court. He’s a great option if the Celtics are in need of playing some traditional big minutes, as he’s a low-post monster and one of the most elite glass-cleaners in the league.


Grant Williams

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Grant Williams has established a solid frontcourt role through his first two seasons with the Celtics. He hasn’t necessarily been a stat-sheet stuffer, but he’s been a jack-of-all-trades type of player who provides defensive versatility, above-average shooting, non-stop hustle, and vocal leadership.

At 6-foot-6, Williams doesn’t fit the typical mold of a big; however, his 240-pound frame gives him plenty of strength (he was the leading bench-presser at the 2019 NBA combine) to bang bodies with opposing 4s and 5s. And Boston’s certainly going to need some extra muscle in the frontcourt this season after the departures of strongmen Semi Ojeleye and Tristan Thompson.

Another factor that will keep Williams earning minutes is his 3-point shooting, which has improved drastically since his rookie season when he missed his first 25 attempts from beyond the arc. He went from shooting 25.0 percent on 1.4 attempts per game in his first season to shooting 37.2 percent on 2.0 attempts per game in Year 2, including an exceptional 44.6 percent clip on corner triples.


Juancho Hernangomez

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Juancho Hernangomez is an interesting case in our roster breakdown because he’s somewhat on the fence between a wing and a big. With Minnesota last season, he played 23 percent of his minutes at the 3 and 77 percent at the 4 (via Basketball-Reference), which would categorize him as a wing. Though, he also played significant minutes at the 5 when he was in Denver in previous years. So, as we considered Boston’s immense depth at the wing and the likelihood that Hernangomez will serve almost entirely as a stretch-4, we decided to slot him with the bigs.

The stretch-4 was a role that Boston needed to fill this summer, and Hernangomez gives them a solid option to call upon off the bench. The 25-year-old Spaniard has seen his scoring climb in each of the past four seasons, including a mark of 7.2 PPG last season while playing an average of 17.3 minutes per appearance.

A good chunk of Hernangomez’s scoring comes from beyond the 3-point arc, where he owns a career shooting percentage of 35.1 percent. He only shot 32.7 percent from deep last season, but playing in an offense that includes a pair of elite playmakers in Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum should be mutually beneficial, as defenses will need to keep tabs on Hernangomez when he’s stationed out beyond the arc.


Bruno Fernando

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It didn’t take long for Bruno Fernando to win over Celtics fans this past summer, after revealing that Kevin Garnett is his favorite player of all time. The newly-acquired center will also likely earn their respect on the court once they see the KG-esque intensity that he brings to the game. If you happened to watch any Summer League action, then you already know what we’re talking about; he was the loudest, most enthusiastic player on the floor in Vegas.

Fernando joins the C’s after spending his first two seasons with the Atlanta Hawks, for whom he made 89 appearances, including 13 starts. At 6-foot-9, 240 pounds he brings a powerful presence to the frontcourt, which helped him to pull down 12.4 rebounds per 36 minutes last season.

The 23-year-old still has some areas to improve upon before he can carve out a consistent role in Boston’s rotation; however, being around a couple of established vets in Horford and Kanter should help with his development.


Bob
MY NOTE:  Once again, and finally, Taylor Snow(flake) failed to bring the heat.  He's a wonderful historical narrator and master of the obvious though.   Rolling Eyes

The Time Lord's Defensive Ratings, per 100 possessions, for his first 3 years are 100, 98 and 104.  All three of those are below the team's average.  A Defensive Rating of 104 is really good no matter what, but is especially when you consider we weren't an especially good defensive team last year.  By comparison Joel Embiid's DefRtg last year was 104.  Clint Capela, whose game Robert Williams is most similar to, had a 106 DefRtg last year.  And Bam Adubayo's DefRtg was 108.  His total minutes in those 3 years were 283, 388 and 985.  So he was minimally impactful in his first two years but 985 minutes is solid rotation player minutes.  What makes those 985 minutes quality minutes is that he started in 13 out of 52 games so he went up against their iron a lot more.  It's all about health with Robert, all about health.  If he stays healthy he's a monster.

Al Horford's 35 year old body had last year off.  The whole "anything that doesn't kill you makes you stronger" stuff is BS.  Wear-and-tear is real, and Al had none of that last year.  Would he need that much time off if he was 25?  No, but he got it anyway, and we are the beneficiaries.  Al is one of the better passing bigs in the game and that is not to be understated given that Ime has flat-out said he wants more movement in his offense.  Will he score 20+?  It'll be Christmas if he does but we don't need him to do that.

Enes Kanter is a beast under the boards.  Draw the defense to you, make them rotate and then throw it up at the backboard and let him go get it.  There has been talk about whether we have enough offense.  Don't get me started on the value of offensive rebounds.  Kanter may have pigeon shite on him on defense because he's so immobile but he's a Hoover on the boards offensively and defensively and that's a good cure for weak halfcourt offense and fast break offense too.

I'll let DBoss explain why Snow put Grant Williams ahead of Hernangomez and Fernando.  I'm sure he's got a bead on it.   Very Happy

In my opinion, if Juan Hernangomez wants more minutes than Bruno Fernando he needs to play defense and he needs to run.  His defense is unlikely to be better than Fernando's but he can shoot 3s and he gets downcourt quickly.  56% of Hernangomez' fgas are 3pt fgas.  That's too many for me, coming from a big, but it is what it is.  Welcome to the new NBA.  If he can hit 35% from there, which is his career average, that'll be ok.  Bruno doesn't take 3s, he has taken a grand total of 39 3pt fgas in 939 NBA minutes, but I think he can defend.  Offense is his weakness he cannot create anything for himself.  That's why I think he's last on the list.

One good outside scorer (Horford), one mediocre outside scorer (Hernangomez), 2 rim-rockers (RWill and Bruno) and and a board monster (Kanter).  Nice balance for bigs.  I know Cowens is going to want to know why I didn't include Juancho in the "rim-rocker" category.  It's because his fg% 0-3 feet out is 69%, which is good, but only 1/3 of his fgas are at the rim.  Bruno's numbers are 58.6% fg% at the rim but 66% of all his fgas are there.  So a much higher % of his shots are dunks/layups than Hernangomez'. Almost any NBA player can dunk, it's a question of how often the do it. Hernangomez doesn't do it enough to be called a "rim rocker", in my opinion.



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Post by wideclyde Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:46 am

Hernangomez really interests me the most in this group, and he could easily end up being the reason that this group is better than last season's group of "bigs".

He may be the answer to providing some 3 point offense that this group does not have outside of maybe Horford. He is quick enough, runs well, etc.

He needs to become a solid defender, and will do so in order to get more playing time. He is still plenty young enough to improve his entire game.

Kanter will be Kanter, Horford will play less than in the past, R. Williams will continue to improve but will never be an outside threat, G Williams will continue to be a decent bench player and Fernando is on board as this year's "project" big man.

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Post by dboss Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:50 am

Fernandez and Hermangomez are added depth.  Expectations should be tempered.

The other guys I do know about.

Robert Williams has to stay healthy.  

Al Horford is not a rim protector however his overall skills add value to a frontline that was clearly inadequate last season.  Al did not play a lot of games last year.  He is likely to miss some of those B2B games because he does have limitations (KNEE)


DATE DESCRIPTION
03/22/2021 Rest
03/20/2021 Rest
03/15/2021 Rest
03/04/2021 Rest
02/25/2021 Rest
02/17/2021 Rest
01/15/2021 Personal
01/13/2021 Rest
12/29/2020 Rest
08/10/2020 Knee
01/29/2020 Knee
01/19/2020 Hand
12/12/2019 Knee/Hamstring
11/11/2019 Rest
04/08/2019 Left Knee Soreness
04/06/2019 Knee
04/04/2019 Knee
04/02/2019 Knee
03/30/2019 Knee
03/28/2019 Left Knee Soreness
03/22/2019 Left Knee Soreness
03/19/2019 Knee
03/17/2019 Knee
01/22/2019 Rest
01/22/2019 Rest
12/08/2018 Left Knee Soreness
11/29/2018 Rest
11/22/2018 Sore Knee
11/20/2018 Left Knee Soreness
03/28/2018 Sprained Left Ankle
03/11/2018 Illness
01/24/2018 Head
01/06/2018 Sore Left Knee
12/11/2017 Right Knee Contusion
11/08/2017 Concussion

Enes eats rebounds for breakfast, lunch and dinner.  Did you know that he played in all 72 games last season with 35 starts and he averaged 11.2 PPG on a career high 60% from the field.  He also collected 11 rebounds per game.  He played 24.4 MPG.  He adds great depth to this team despite his poor defense.  If you want to limit his exposure to switching on defense maybe the Celtics play more zone when he rotates into a game.

Grant Williams is not a big other than his weight.  I have no earthy idea why anyone would refer to him as an above average shooter.  He was 43.7% from the field and a ghastly 58.8% from the line.  Now that we have Kanter back I see no good reason for Grant to get anything but garbage minutes.  Last year he averaged 18.1 MPG.  That was an absolute waste of valuable rotation minutes.  

Brad still has some work to do to clear out the remaining clutter on this team.
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Post by NYCelt Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:04 pm

Bigs. The easiest spot on the Celtics to evaluate.

I can do it in one sentence.

RWIII stays healthy or the team is screwed.
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Post by bobheckler Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:42 pm

Jared Weiss @JaredWeissNBA
about 26 minutes ago
Grant Williams said he gained weight to play center when he first got to the league & was sluggish playing the 4 at that weight last year. So he's lost 12 lbs this summer and plans to lose another 8-10 to be a better athlete & play the four more. Said he wants to be a "Baby Al."
MY NOTE: The good news is that this makes it sound like we're not going to be seeing him play small ball 5 this year.

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Post by wideclyde Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:27 pm

I really hope that I am wrong, but Grant Williams has not shown me very much in his first years with Boston.
He always seems to hustle, his coaches claim that he is a hard worker, etc, etc, but he just never seems to shine on the court.

Hopefully, his weight loss will allow him to be a better player.

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Post by cowens/oldschool Wed Sep 29, 2021 10:16 pm

NYCelt wrote:Bigs. The easiest spot on the Celtics to evaluate.

I can do it in one sentence.

RWIII stays healthy or the team is screwed.

+1

And Al is old and if he plays too many minutes his knees could ache, so were gonna need Kanter, hope Bruno can develop fast. I think Moses Brown is really gonna help Mavs, doing the dirty work and getting lobs from Doncic. We acquired Richardson before acquiring Schroder, if we already had Schroder, who adds a lot of veteran savvy to the backcourt, do we make the trade for Richardson as Jaylen can eat minutes at the 2 too? I like JRich, gritty defender, but I think I like the potential of a healthy young mobile 7’2” rebounder/shot blocker more.

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