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Post by bobheckler Fri Feb 11, 2022 9:56 am

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Brad Stevens corrects more of Danny Ainge’s mistakes with trade deadline moves



By Gary Washburn Globe Staff,Updated February 10, 2022, 8:30 p.m.



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San Antonio Spurs coach Gregg Popovich's players are well coached and well developed, and the organization took time to develop DerrickWhite (4) into a dependable player.San Antonio Spurs coach Gregg Popovich's players are well coached and well developed, and the organization took time to develop DerrickWhite (4) into a dependable player.ERIC GAY/ASSOCIATED PRESS



What is now obvious is Brad Stevens has been spending the past several months devising ways to undo some of his predecessor Danny Ainge’s most controversial moves.

Thursday was spent clearing out roster space, ridding the Celtics of unwanted or unproductive bench players, and upgrading coach Ime Udoka’s frontline rotation without much concern with the end of the bench.

For years the Celtics have carried players on their roster who couldn’t help short or long term. Ainge, the former president of basketball operations, was reluctant to admit he had made draft mistakes. He kept Tacko Fall and Tremont Waters on two-way contracts for two years. Neither is on an NBA roster.

Stevens made the bold move of acquiring San Antonio starting shooting guard Derrick White, who is likely to come off the bench, along with bringing back Daniel Theis in separate deals.

Josh Richardson, Romeo Langford, and a protected first-round pick were sent to the Spurs for White, while Dennis Schröder, Enes Freedom, and Bruno Fernando were dealt to Houston for Theis, who was part of Ainge’s final trade a year ago.

Stevens wants the Celtics to keep an open maximum salary slot for next summer, stay below the luxury tax, and improve the roster simultaneously. His most prudent method was to move some desirable pieces, such as Richardson, and clear out the bench players.

The Celtics now have eight players on the roster with two on two-day contracts – after dealing five active players along with Bol Bol and P.J. Dozier – and he will need to add two players on 10-day or rest-of-the-season contracts by Friday’s game against Denver. The contract of two-way contract swingman Sam Hauser is also expected to be converted to a standard NBA deal.

The move of Langford is interesting considering it’s an admission that his selection as 14th overall in 2019 was a mistake. Unfortunately, Langford wasn’t physically ready for the NBA and took too long to develop, and still hadn’t earned consistent minutes in his third season.

Why have the Celtics struggled so much in recent years on support for Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum? It’s draft mistakes. Langford was supposed to be a reliable piece by now and that never happened and he finishes his Celtics career averaging 3.6 points in 94 career games. The scoring average is tied for 41st amongst the 60 players drafted in 2019. He is tied with another former Celtic in Carsen Edwards, who was traded by Stevens this summer and is now in the NBA G-League.

There was a concern Stevens would be attached to the players he used to coach and there would be an attachment to players who had yet to develop. Stevens never had that problem, cleaning house with a flawed roster over the past several months, including moving younger players who just weren’t helping all that much.

And Stevens doesn’t think much of first-round picks, apparently either, now having traded the Celtics past two in separate deals. The most important thing he wanted to accomplish is keeping that maximum slot open, and it remains unaffected.

Stevens was able to acquire an NBA starter in White without having to trade an NBA starter, which is a positive. White is not a household name, a player who began his college career at Colorado-Colorado Springs before transferring to Colorado and then working his way into the first round in 2017.

Gregg Popovich’s players are well coached and well developed, and the organization took time to develop White into a dependable player. The Celtics are getting the finished product, a professional who can score and defend.

Theis returns to give the Celtics depth at the center position. Freedom proved unable to play in Udoka’s system and while Fernando was a supportive cheerleader at the end of the bench he didn’t serve much of a purpose.

Stevens is making his own impact , obviously soaking in the knowledge from years of working with Ainge but also making his own decisions. As a coach, he tried working with the players Ainge drafted and signed, and it was apparent he didn’t think much of last year’s roster that finished 36-36 and was bounced out of the first round of the playoffs by the Brooklyn Nets.

Stevens is also a close follower of college basketball, so the fact he’s passed on two mid first-round picks over two drafts gives an indication of the lack of depth he believes will be available. He wants to add to this roster through free agency, players from the buyout market, and perhaps plucking young players who have been discarded from other teams. He will build this roster with more creative means, because quite honestly, the draft hasn’t been as effective as expected and the war chest of picks Ainge gathered in the 2013 Brooklyn trade produced Brown and Tatum but little else.

It’s now Stevens’ job to sign players over the next few days and give Udoka the most competitive roster to compete in what has been a distinctively changed Eastern Conference. The Nets added Ben Simmons. The 76ers added James Harden. The Bucks traded for Serge Ibaka. Boston entered Friday on a six-game winning streak, a reshaped roster, and renewed hope it can add a major player this summer.

So what we know now is Brad Stevens is not Danny Ainge, and he has spent the past several months cleaning up Ainge’s mistakes and miscues. The roster is now Stevens’, and he appears comfortable in his new role.


Bob
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Boston Celtics @celtics
4 minutes ago
Brad Stevens says we’ll be looking to fill out our roster with multiple “skilled” players, including a couple of anticipated additions later today.
MY NOTE: "skilled", to me, means veterans. Hauser might be an exception but I don't think Brad is looking to pick up young'uns off the waiver wire no matter what their "skills" are.


Boston Celtics
Boston Celtics @celtics
about 6 minutes ago
Brad Stevens: “We’ve obviously been on a good roll, and I think that we have some great challenges coming up. This four-game stretch before the break will be tremendous to get a chance to evaluate us, and so I’m looking forward to moving forward with this group.”



Boston Celtics
Boston Celtics @celtics
about 8 minutes ago
Brad Stevens: "Theis knows how to make our best players better. That’s the best thing he does is he has a great feel for making others around him better. He’s got a savvy for the game.”
MY NOTE: Brad LOVES Daniel Theis. He must have hated it when Danny traded him away for no gain just because of money.


Jay King
Jay King @ByJayKing
about 11 minutes ago
Brad Stevens said of all the teams he's been around, he has "never seen (a defense) this dynamic when it's locked in." He's clearly pretty high on the Celtics at that end of the court. Adding White should only help that.


John Karalis
John Karalis @John_Karalis
about 1 hour ago
Derrick White is in Boston, but his availability depends on the Boston guys getting to San Antonio and going through their physicals as well. So his availability tonight is still questionable.



Jay King
Jay King @ByJayKing
about 1 hour ago
Brad Stevens said the Celtics felt "really good about our starting lineup" and wanted to accentuate those guys.


Chris Forsberg
Chris Forsberg @ChrisForsberg_
about 1 hour ago
Derrick White is in Boston. Daniel Theis arrives later today. Stevens unsure when they’ll be available to play.



Brian Robb
Brian Robb @BrianTRobb
about 1 hour ago
Brad Stevens on giving up draft compensation for Derrick White: "It's not without its risks but that's part of it."



Jay King
Jay King @ByJayKing
about 1 hour ago
Brad Stevens said first-round picks are "really valuable," but so is getting a guy with three-and-a-half years left on his contract who should fit so well next to the Celtics' best players.



Jay King
Jay King @ByJayKing
about 1 hour ago
Brad Stevens said there should be opportunities for Payton Pritchard and Aaron Nesmith now in the new-look bench. Stevens said the Celtics will add a couple of players today "and go from there" while building the end of the bench.
MY NOTE: Apparently Brad doesn't consider AN and PP to be "end of bench".



Jay King
Jay King @ByJayKing
about 1 hour ago
Brad Stevens: "I'm looking forward to moving forward with this group." Said he's thought all along the Celtics needed to find guys who know how to play, make good decisions, focus on what they do best and accentuate their best players.



Brian Robb
Brian Robb @BrianTRobb
about 1 hour ago
Brad Stevens considers Daniel Theis good insurance for the Celtics frontcourt rotation



Jay King
Jay King @ByJayKing
about 1 hour ago
Stevens said if Horford or Robert Williams misses time, it will be a "seamless transition" with Theis filling in. Said Theis makes players around him better.



Chris Forsberg
Chris Forsberg @ChrisForsberg_
about 1 hour ago
Brad Stevens: "This is not about the next three months. This is about, again, adding guys that you think and can see playing in a seven-game, knockdown drag-out series and you know they can can be on the floor and play a role in helping you win.”


Jay King
Jay King @ByJayKing
about 1 hour ago
Brad Stevens said neither of the two trades he made are just short-term moves. Said he believes both White and Theis can help in a playoff series and can do that for years to come. Said the Theis trade materialized as the move just before the deadline.



Brian Robb
Brian Robb @BrianTRobb
about 1 hour ago
Stevens said the Daniel Theis move came about very late. "We didn't think there was going to be anything there." Happened in final 20 minutes before deadline.



Brian Robb
Brian Robb @BrianTRobb
about 1 hour ago
Brad Stevens on Celtics acquiring Derrick White: "The most important thing this isn't about just the next three months with him."



Boston Celtics
Boston Celtics @celtics
about 1 hour ago
Brad Stevens: "We’ve thought for years that Derrick was a really good fit with our best players. He’s an excellent defender. He makes the right play on offense over and over. He’s a guy that just cares about winning."



Chris Forsberg
Chris Forsberg @ChrisForsberg_
about 1 hour ago
Brad Stevens: "We’ve thought for years that Derrick is a really good fit with our best players. He’s an excellent defender. He just makes the right play on offense over and over and over. He’s a guy that only cares about winning."


Bob
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Post by dboss Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:54 pm

I have a lot of respect for Gary Washburn but he must have slept through math class

"Stevens wants the Celtics to keep an open maximum salary slot for next summer, stay below the luxury tax, and improve the roster simultaneously. His most prudent method was to move some desirable pieces, such as Richardson, and clear out the bench players."

There is no open maximum salary slot next summer. as a matter of fact with all the extensions handed out this season and the addition of 2 guys with long term contracts we will be well above the CAP and also above the tax line.

The only way to get a maximum contract guy is to trade contracts.

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Post by Ktron Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:55 pm

bobheckler wrote:https://mail.yahoo.com/d/folders/folders=1&sortOrder=unread/messages/133666



Brad Stevens corrects more of Danny Ainge’s mistakes with trade deadline moves



By Gary Washburn Globe Staff,Updated February 10, 2022, 8:30 p.m.



Brad Stevens corrects more of Danny Ainge’s mistakes with trade deadline moves Mail?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbostonglobe-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com%2Fresizer%2F4RN7Nx9wdw0DZghDZHRfduxJXp8%3D%2F960x0%2Fcloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com%2Fbostonglobe%2FEOCODVKWL2KM2VIQ6H74ORHSVM.jpg&t=1644589705&ymreqid=b302b2ee-e6ee-a14f-1c7e-f50001019800&sig=Nj4T1jJa1EFlZN7m
San Antonio Spurs coach Gregg Popovich's players are well coached and well developed, and the organization took time to develop DerrickWhite (4) into a dependable player.San Antonio Spurs coach Gregg Popovich's players are well coached and well developed, and the organization took time to develop DerrickWhite (4) into a dependable player.ERIC GAY/ASSOCIATED PRESS



What is now obvious is Brad Stevens has been spending the past several months devising ways to undo some of his predecessor Danny Ainge’s most controversial moves.

Thursday was spent clearing out roster space, ridding the Celtics of unwanted or unproductive bench players, and upgrading coach Ime Udoka’s frontline rotation without much concern with the end of the bench.

For years the Celtics have carried players on their roster who couldn’t help short or long term. Ainge, the former president of basketball operations, was reluctant to admit he had made draft mistakes. He kept Tacko Fall and Tremont Waters on two-way contracts for two years. Neither is on an NBA roster.

Stevens made the bold move of acquiring San Antonio starting shooting guard Derrick White, who is likely to come off the bench, along with bringing back Daniel Theis in separate deals.

Josh Richardson, Romeo Langford, and a protected first-round pick were sent to the Spurs for White, while Dennis Schröder, Enes Freedom, and Bruno Fernando were dealt to Houston for Theis, who was part of Ainge’s final trade a year ago.

Stevens wants the Celtics to keep an open maximum salary slot for next summer, stay below the luxury tax, and improve the roster simultaneously. His most prudent method was to move some desirable pieces, such as Richardson, and clear out the bench players.

The Celtics now have eight players on the roster with two on two-day contracts – after dealing five active players along with Bol Bol and P.J. Dozier – and he will need to add two players on 10-day or rest-of-the-season contracts by Friday’s game against Denver. The contract of two-way contract swingman Sam Hauser is also expected to be converted to a standard NBA deal.

The move of Langford is interesting considering it’s an admission that his selection as 14th overall in 2019 was a mistake. Unfortunately, Langford wasn’t physically ready for the NBA and took too long to develop, and still hadn’t earned consistent minutes in his third season.

Why have the Celtics struggled so much in recent years on support for Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum? It’s draft mistakes. Langford was supposed to be a reliable piece by now and that never happened and he finishes his Celtics career averaging 3.6 points in 94 career games. The scoring average is tied for 41st amongst the 60 players drafted in 2019. He is tied with another former Celtic in Carsen Edwards, who was traded by Stevens this summer and is now in the NBA G-League.

There was a concern Stevens would be attached to the players he used to coach and there would be an attachment to players who had yet to develop. Stevens never had that problem, cleaning house with a flawed roster over the past several months, including moving younger players who just weren’t helping all that much.

And Stevens doesn’t think much of first-round picks, apparently either, now having traded the Celtics past two in separate deals. The most important thing he wanted to accomplish is keeping that maximum slot open, and it remains unaffected.

Stevens was able to acquire an NBA starter in White without having to trade an NBA starter, which is a positive. White is not a household name, a player who began his college career at Colorado-Colorado Springs before transferring to Colorado and then working his way into the first round in 2017.

Gregg Popovich’s players are well coached and well developed, and the organization took time to develop White into a dependable player. The Celtics are getting the finished product, a professional who can score and defend.

Theis returns to give the Celtics depth at the center position. Freedom proved unable to play in Udoka’s system and while Fernando was a supportive cheerleader at the end of the bench he didn’t serve much of a purpose.

Stevens is making his own impact , obviously soaking in the knowledge from years of working with Ainge but also making his own decisions. As a coach, he tried working with the players Ainge drafted and signed, and it was apparent he didn’t think much of last year’s roster that finished 36-36 and was bounced out of the first round of the playoffs by the Brooklyn Nets.

Stevens is also a close follower of college basketball, so the fact he’s passed on two mid first-round picks over two drafts gives an indication of the lack of depth he believes will be available. He wants to add to this roster through free agency, players from the buyout market, and perhaps plucking young players who have been discarded from other teams. He will build this roster with more creative means, because quite honestly, the draft hasn’t been as effective as expected and the war chest of picks Ainge gathered in the 2013 Brooklyn trade produced Brown and Tatum but little else.

It’s now Stevens’ job to sign players over the next few days and give Udoka the most competitive roster to compete in what has been a distinctively changed Eastern Conference. The Nets added Ben Simmons. The 76ers added James Harden. The Bucks traded for Serge Ibaka. Boston entered Friday on a six-game winning streak, a reshaped roster, and renewed hope it can add a major player this summer.

So what we know now is Brad Stevens is not Danny Ainge, and he has spent the past several months cleaning up Ainge’s mistakes and miscues. The roster is now Stevens’, and he appears comfortable in his new role.


Bob
MY NOTE:  Can IT be far behind?


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Doesn’t look like it. Brad/Opie just gave a contract the Luke “McCoy” Kornet and Speedy Sam “Hooping” Hauser. What a friggin joke. Maybe IT is on his way but judging buy Opie’s decision making thus far I wouldn’t count on it. Prove me wrong Opes!

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Post by Ktron Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:57 pm

dboss wrote:I have a lot of respect for Gary Washburn but he must have slept through math class

"Stevens wants the Celtics to keep an open maximum salary slot for next summer, stay below the luxury tax, and improve the roster simultaneously. His most prudent method was to move some desirable pieces, such as Richardson, and clear out the bench players."

There is no open maximum salary slot next summer.  as a matter of fact with all the extensions handed out this season and the addition of 2 guys with long term contracts we will be well above the CAP and also above the tax line.  

The only way to get a maximum contract guy is to trade contracts.  

Maybe thats the plan? Shocked

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Post by Ktron Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:02 pm

bobheckler wrote:Boston Celtics @celtics
4 minutes ago
Brad Stevens says we’ll be looking to fill out our roster with multiple “skilled” players, including a couple of anticipated additions later today.
MY NOTE:  "skilled", to me, means veterans.  Hauser might be an exception but I don't think Brad is looking to pick up young'uns off the waiver wire no matter what their "skills" are.


Boston Celtics
Boston Celtics @celtics
about 6 minutes ago
Brad Stevens: “We’ve obviously been on a good roll, and I think that we have some great challenges coming up. This four-game stretch before the break will be tremendous to get a chance to evaluate us, and so I’m looking forward to moving forward with this group.”



Boston Celtics
Boston Celtics @celtics
about 8 minutes ago
Brad Stevens: "Theis knows how to make our best players better. That’s the best thing he does is he has a great feel for making others around him better. He’s got a savvy for the game.”
MY NOTE:  Brad LOVES Daniel Theis.  He must have hated it when Danny traded him away for no gain just because of money.


Jay King
Jay King @ByJayKing
about 11 minutes ago
Brad Stevens said of all the teams he's been around, he has "never seen (a defense) this dynamic when it's locked in." He's clearly pretty high on the Celtics at that end of the court. Adding White should only help that.


John Karalis
John Karalis @John_Karalis
about 1 hour ago
Derrick White is in Boston, but his availability depends on the Boston guys getting to San Antonio and going through their physicals as well. So his availability tonight is still questionable.



Jay King
Jay King @ByJayKing
about 1 hour ago
Brad Stevens said the Celtics felt "really good about our starting lineup" and wanted to accentuate those guys.


Chris Forsberg
Chris Forsberg @ChrisForsberg_
about 1 hour ago
Derrick White is in Boston. Daniel Theis arrives later today. Stevens unsure when they’ll be available to play.



Brian Robb
Brian Robb @BrianTRobb
about 1 hour ago
Brad Stevens on giving up draft compensation for Derrick White: "It's not without its risks but that's part of it."



Jay King
Jay King @ByJayKing
about 1 hour ago
Brad Stevens said first-round picks are "really valuable," but so is getting a guy with three-and-a-half years left on his contract who should fit so well next to the Celtics' best players.



Jay King
Jay King @ByJayKing
about 1 hour ago
Brad Stevens said there should be opportunities for Payton Pritchard and Aaron Nesmith now in the new-look bench. Stevens said the Celtics will add a couple of players today "and go from there" while building the end of the bench.
MY NOTE:  Apparently Brad doesn't consider AN and PP to be "end of bench".



Jay King
Jay King @ByJayKing
about 1 hour ago
Brad Stevens: "I'm looking forward to moving forward with this group." Said he's thought all along the Celtics needed to find guys who know how to play, make good decisions, focus on what they do best and accentuate their best players.



Brian Robb
Brian Robb @BrianTRobb
about 1 hour ago
Brad Stevens considers Daniel Theis good insurance for the Celtics frontcourt rotation



Jay King
Jay King @ByJayKing
about 1 hour ago
Stevens said if Horford or Robert Williams misses time, it will be a "seamless transition" with Theis filling in. Said Theis makes players around him better.



Chris Forsberg
Chris Forsberg @ChrisForsberg_
about 1 hour ago
Brad Stevens: "This is not about the next three months. This is about, again, adding guys that you think and can see playing in a seven-game, knockdown drag-out series and you know they can can be on the floor and play a role in helping you win.”


Jay King
Jay King @ByJayKing
about 1 hour ago
Brad Stevens said neither of the two trades he made are just short-term moves. Said he believes both White and Theis can help in a playoff series and can do that for years to come. Said the Theis trade materialized as the move just before the deadline.



Brian Robb
Brian Robb @BrianTRobb
about 1 hour ago
Stevens said the Daniel Theis move came about very late. "We didn't think there was going to be anything there." Happened in final 20 minutes before deadline.



Brian Robb
Brian Robb @BrianTRobb
about 1 hour ago
Brad Stevens on Celtics acquiring Derrick White: "The most important thing this isn't about just the next three months with him."



Boston Celtics
Boston Celtics @celtics
about 1 hour ago
Brad Stevens: "We’ve thought for years that Derrick was a really good fit with our best players. He’s an excellent defender. He makes the right play on offense over and over. He’s a guy that just cares about winning."



Chris Forsberg
Chris Forsberg @ChrisForsberg_
about 1 hour ago
Brad Stevens: "We’ve thought for years that Derrick is a really good fit with our best players. He’s an excellent defender. He just makes the right play on offense over and over and over. He’s a guy that only cares about winning."


Bob
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Why doesn’t Brad just go ahead and get another coaching job. Thats what he wants to do. Once a coach always a coach. This gig is not in his wheelhouse. This is all Wycliffe Groesbeck’s doing. Ain’t gonna last long with his cheap ass.

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