Official signings

Keyon Dooling, Jason Collins, Jamar Smith and Dionte Christmas are now officially signed.

Jeff Green is not. ?????


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bob

Couple days ago Marcus noted a twitter comment from ???? that Ainge was plotting a sign and trade involving Green and ?? to get JaVale McGee. He just signed a 4 year deal with Denver for $44 million.

I can find nothing anywhere that shows that this is even being considered and would wonder why Denver would do it ?

Here is the piece about McGee's signing.

http://www.dailycamera.com/ci_21107284/nuggets-mcgee-ink-deal-44m?source=rss

Obviously the salaries do not match and othe considerations would have to be made.

beat

Hi,
There's definitely something's going on with JG. But it's not S&T - AFAIK JG can't be signed-and-traded.
I don't know, maybe there're some ways to circumvent that rule...

AK

From Larry Coon's Salary Cap FAQ:

88. Can a free agent be signed and immediately traded?

There is a rule that allows teams to re-sign their own free agents for trading purposes, called the sign-and-trade rule. Under this rule the player is re-signed and immediately traded to another team. This is done by adding a clause to the contract stipulating that the contract is null and void if the trade to the specific team is not completed within 48 hours. To qualify for a sign-and-trade, all of the following must be true:

• The player must re-sign with his prior team -- a team cannot include another team's free agent in a sign-and-trade.

• The player must finish the preceding season with that team (deals are no longer allowed that sign-and-trade players who are out of the league, such as the sign-and-trade that sent Keith Van Horn from Dallas to New Jersey as part of the Jason Kidd trade in 2008).

• The player cannot be a restricted free agent who has signed an offer sheet with another team (see question number 43).

• Starting in 2013-14, the team receiving the player cannot be above the "apron" ($4 million above the tax level) after the trade1.

• Starting in 2013-14, the team cannot receive a player in a sign-and-trade if they have used the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception (see question number 25) that season.

• The trade must be completed prior to the first game of the regular season (sign-and-trades are not allowed once the season begins).

• The player cannot be signed using the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, or any exception that cannot be used to offer a three-year contract (see question number 25).

A sign-and-trade deal can be made with a free agent who has been renounced, as long as all the above criteria are met. Sign-and-trade contracts must be for at least three seasons (not including any option year) and no longer than four seasons. The first year of the contract must be fully guaranteed, but the remaining seasons can be non-guaranteed. The combination of a three-year minimum with a one-year guarantee ensures that the player's new team cannot acquire the player's Bird rights any sooner than if they had signed him directly (if they wanted to re-sign him in less than three years they would first have to waive him, and lose any Bird rights -- see question number 32).

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q88

One question I have is regarding the clause I put in bold, since Green didn't finish the prior season with the Celtics.

The other question I have is whether KG would demand a raise for all the aggravation of having McGee on the team.

Green was being counted on for heavy production this season cutting minutes to save wear & tear on Pierce. McGee needs good coaching and good mentoring to blossom the physical talents he possesses. In Washington he could have gotten the coaching from Saunders. In Denver he can get good coaching from George Karl. In Boston he would get the good coaching from Doc & mentoring both on & off the court from KG. We know with Pam as his Mom he's got good jeans (genes) better than Levis (LOL)-Mom was part of those mid 80's USC Ladies of Troy teams with Auntie Paula, Cheryl Miller, and the greatest WNBA player of alltime, Cynthia Cooper

Outside wrote:From Larry Coon's Salary Cap FAQ:

88. Can a free agent be signed and immediately traded?

There is a rule that allows teams to re-sign their own free agents for trading purposes, called the sign-and-trade rule. Under this rule the player is re-signed and immediately traded to another team. This is done by adding a clause to the contract stipulating that the contract is null and void if the trade to the specific team is not completed within 48 hours. To qualify for a sign-and-trade, all of the following must be true:

• The player must re-sign with his prior team -- a team cannot include another team's free agent in a sign-and-trade.

• The player must finish the preceding season with that team (deals are no longer allowed that sign-and-trade players who are out of the league, such as the sign-and-trade that sent Keith Van Horn from Dallas to New Jersey as part of the Jason Kidd trade in 2008).

• The player cannot be a restricted free agent who has signed an offer sheet with another team (see question number 43).

• Starting in 2013-14, the team receiving the player cannot be above the "apron" ($4 million above the tax level) after the trade1.

• Starting in 2013-14, the team cannot receive a player in a sign-and-trade if they have used the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception (see question number 25) that season.

• The trade must be completed prior to the first game of the regular season (sign-and-trades are not allowed once the season begins).

• The player cannot be signed using the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, or any exception that cannot be used to offer a three-year contract (see question number 25).

A sign-and-trade deal can be made with a free agent who has been renounced, as long as all the above criteria are met. Sign-and-trade contracts must be for at least three seasons (not including any option year) and no longer than four seasons. The first year of the contract must be fully guaranteed, but the remaining seasons can be non-guaranteed. The combination of a three-year minimum with a one-year guarantee ensures that the player's new team cannot acquire the player's Bird rights any sooner than if they had signed him directly (if they wanted to re-sign him in less than three years they would first have to waive him, and lose any Bird rights -- see question number 32).

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q88

One question I have is regarding the clause I put in bold, since Green didn't finish the prior season with the Celtics.

The other question I have is whether KG would demand a raise for all the aggravation of having McGee on the team.

This rule applies to Green and would have applied to Wilcox.
They cannot be part of a S&T since they were not on the Celtics roster at the end of last year.