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Post by gyso Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:06 pm

From Adrian Wojnarowski:

The Orlando Magic and Los Angeles Lakers are engaged with the Denver Nuggets and Philadelphia 76ers in a four-way blockbuster that could ultimately deliver superstar center Dwight Howard to the Lakers, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.


Dwight Howard will become a free agent at the end of this season. (AP)A deal is not considered imminent, but the talks have grown serious over the course of this week, sources said.

There are other players involved in these fluid talks, but a framework of the possible deal includes Howard and Denver forward Al Harrington going to the Lakers, Philadelphia guard Andre Iguodala going to the Nuggets, Los Angeles center Andrew Bynum moving to the 76ers, and Los Angeles forward Pau Gasol and Denver guard Arron Afflalo going to the Magic, sources told Yahoo! Sports.

The Magic would have a better chance of moving Gasol in another deal to get further assets, sources said, and eliminate the risk of Bynum leaving them as a free agent in 2013. Nevertheless, there was still a sense that Gasol's and Bynum's destinations could be fluid in the talks. Either way, one would go to Orlando and the other to Philadelphia, sources said.

The proposed deal includes the Magic also gaining draft picks and salary-cap relief, sources said.

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Post by bobheckler Thu Aug 09, 2012 5:05 pm

Bynum on the Sixers would make them very tough indeed.

Bynum and Gasol for Howard and Harrington, from the Lakers perspective, would be a horrible trade. Al Harrington is a defensively-handicapped version of Mickael Pietrus. Just as dumb, also too in love with 3s but can't play defense like Pietrus. Howard is recovering from a bad back (assuming that wasn't all just complete horseshit, which I would not put past him) and is 27. Bynum is 25, seems to be past his chronic leg issues and Gasol is the best 4 in the league. If there was one thing the Lakers could do over the past 5 years or so, they could overpower you inside with their size. No Bynum, no Gasol and they've just become just like almost every other team.

Harrington will be 33 in February and is under contract until 2014-2015, 3 more years. Gasol just turned 32 and has two years left, including this one.

TJ will probably snap my head off for this, but I'm starting to think that Jim Buss has recognized he is locked into the team he has until Kobe retires (or his contract expires) so he's going for the "big names" for entertainment value. Steve Nash is a helluva player but he'll be 39 come the playoffs.

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Post by tjmakz Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:19 pm

Bob,

Why would I snap your head off when I and probably all Lakers fans would agree with you.

Harrington has lost almost all of his lift and is basically a 3 point shooter with a terrible contract.

The trade that was being reported earlier today will never happen.
Why would the Lakers make this trade?

The Lakers don't need to trade Bynum and/or Gasol.
In order for them to do so, it would have to be a great trade for them.
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Post by gyso Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:52 am

Sources: Dwight Howard to Lakers

A four-team trade that would send Dwight Howard to the Los Angeles Lakers is complete, multiple sources told ESPN on Thursday night.

A source with direct knowledge of the talks told ESPN.com's Marc Stein the Lakers will receive Howard, the Denver Nuggets will acquire Andre Iguodala, the 76ers will receive Andrew Bynum and Jason Richardson, and the Magic will get Arron Afflalo, Al Harrington, Nikola Vucevic and one protected future first-round pick from each of the three teams.

In addition, the Magic will be getting other pieces, including 76ers No. 1 draft pick Moe Harkless, a source told Stein.

Sources close to the process told Stein and ESPNLosAngeles.com's Ramona Shelburne that a trade call with the league office has been scheduled for Friday to secure the necessary NBA approval to make the deal official.

Lakers forward Pau Gasol had been in and out of talks, sources told Shelburne, before ultimately being excluded.

One source briefed on Howard's plans told Stein the All-Star center will indeed stand firm on his intent to play out the 2012-13 season without extending his contract so he can become a free agent on July 1, 2013. Going that route will enable Howard to decide how comfortable he is in Los Angeles before deciding whether to re-sign with the Lakers or join the Dallas Mavericks, who will have the requisite salary-cap space to sign Howard and remain one of his preferred destinations from his original list of three teams (Brooklyn Nets, Lakers and Mavericks).

"If Los Angeles doesn't work out for Dwight, Dallas will be there waiting for him," the source told Stein.

One source close to Kobe Bryant, meanwhile, told Stein the Lakers' star was ecstatic Thursday night upon hearing that Los Angeles was able to complete such a significant transaction without surrendering Gasol. Bryant is with Team USA at the London Olympics.

Sources told ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard that Philadelphia has not spoken to Bynum or his representatives, and has no assurances he will sign a long-term extension with the team.

"The Sixers are willing to take a shot (without Bynum's commitment)," one source said.

Although Bynum signing an extension with the 76ers is not out of the question, according to a source, his stance all summer has been he only will sign an extension with the Lakers.

Bynum, who grew up about an hour away from Philadelphia in Plainsboro, N.J., could sign a three-year, $60 million extension this season or wait to become a free agent after the season and be eligible for a five-year, $102 million deal.

Earlier Thursday, Yahoo! Sports, citing sources, reported that talks of a four-team trade involving Howard have taken place this week and have "grown serious."

Near the end of July, Howard met with Magic general manager Rob Hennigan and reiterated his desire to be traded, and if he isn't, would leave the team as a free agent after next season.

The Lakers' position on Howard had remained relatively unchanged for the past few months, league sources familiar with the situation told ESPNLosAngeles.com. The Lakers always had been willing to trade for Howard without assurances he'd re-sign with them after the season, believing that once Howard experienced a championship culture, he would want to stay.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8252042/sources-dwight-howard-los-angeles-lakers-four-team-deal-complete


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Sources: Howard To Lakers

LOS ANGELES -- It's not hard to picture Dwight Howard in a Los Angeles Lakers uniform.

For the better part of the past two years, Lakers fans have superimposed a Lakers jersey on every imaginable image of Howard. Type in Howard's name into Google and you'd think he has played the majority of his career in Los Angeles.

It's not hard to picture Howard living in Los Angeles and enjoying life in Hollywood.

For the better part of this summer, Howard has been spotted around Los Angeles by the paparazzi as much as a Kardashian. He's on the Dodger Stadium video board during the seventh-inning stretch, going for a walk outside of his hotel in Beverly Hills and waiting in line with kids for ice cream at Sprinkles. He has been in the city more than any Laker this off-season.

And after Thursday's news that Howard will be traded to the Lakers as early as Friday, it's not hard to picture him winning his first championship in Los Angeles.

Yes, that's right Miami, there is a new challenger to your throne and this team has a "Big Four" to trump your "Big Three."

There will be no pep rallies filled with smoke and pyrotechnics when the deal officially goes down. Los Angeles usually saves such bells and whistles for championships but such a celebration in June is certainly what the Lakers have in mind now with Howard and Steve Nash.

And there will be no proclamations of winning "not six, not seven, not eight" titles but you have to believe that is what Kobe Bryant is now thinking as he sits next to LeBron James in London and counts his number of championship rings.

The window was supposed to be closed -- or at least closing -- on the Lakers' pursuit of a championship after last season and the new CBA was supposed to have locked that window shut for the foreseeable future.

This offseason Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak and Lakers executive vice president Jim Buss took a sledge hammer to that window and now it's wide open. In the process, they may have also made the Lakers the favorites to win the NBA title yet again.

After the disappointment of "basketball reasons" robbing them of Chris Paul, the Lakers somehow got Nash for a package of draft picks and the trade exception they received from the Lamar Odom deal with Dallas. Then they finally found the right mix of teams and players to get Howard from Orlando for Andrew Bynum and a protected draft pick.

If you're keeping track at home that means the Lakers essentially got Howard and Nash for Bynum, Odom and draft picks and were able to keep Pau Gasol in the process.

The Lakers have had their fair share of favorable trades in their history but this combination may top them all.

As great as the star power of Howard and Nash are, keeping Gasol as well as Metta World Peace when all is said and done is what makes the Lakers the team to beat going into next season.

If you thought the combination of an enigmatic and inconsistent Bynum and Gasol was hard to beat, try handling a front court of Howard and Gasol with World Peace freed up to focus on being a defensive pest.

And if you thought the Lakers were a potential contender with Derek Fisher or Ramon Sessions at point guard, try stopping them with Nash running the floor and directing the fast break better than anyone in Los Angeles has since Magic Johnson was running "Showtime."

The Lakers improved at the two positions where Miami is weakest. The Heat listed Joel Anthony as their starting center during the Finals but leaned heavily on Chris Bosh. It was a successful patchwork job that ultimately worked out for them but would be a matchup disaster against the Lakers' front court.

Miami also rode the hot hand of the much-maligned Mario Chalmers at point guard during the Finals and bypassed getting a more experienced veteran at the position this offseason. Their basic philosophy is to surround James, Dwyane Wade and Bosh with as many shooters as possible. It's a solid gameplan against most teams that are not rolling out a starting lineup of Nash, Bryant, World Peace, Gasol and Howard.

And for those of you in Oklahoma City, the Lakers are not looking past Kevin Durant and the Thunder. Oklahoma City's five-game dismantling of the Lakers in the playoffs this season on the heels of being swept out of the playoffs by the Dallas Mavericks last year was the wake-up call this team needed to realize it could not continue and contend maintaining the status quo.

When Oklahoma City eliminated the Lakers from the playoffs in May, Bryant smiled when he was asked about the Lakers' future. Despite a second straight ouster in the second round and adjusting to a new locker room without two of his closest confidants in Odom and Fisher, Bryant wasn't ready to quietly ride off into the sunset.

"I'm not fading into the shadows," Bryant said. "I'm not going anywhere. We're not going anywhere. It's not like one of those things where the Bulls beat the Pistons and the Pistons disappear forever. I'm not going for that.

"I'm not the most patient of people and the organization is not extremely patient, either. We want to win and win now. I'm sure we'll figure it out. We always have and I'm sure we will again."

It was an optimistic outlook that came to fruition Thursday but not even Bryant could have imagined the Lakers would end up with both Howard and Nash while finding a way to keep Gasol. The Lakers have not only figured it out, they have catapulted themselves back atop the NBA.

It may have seemed unimaginable a couple of months ago, but it's not hard to picture now when you look at the talent on this team.

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/8254617/suddenly-los-angeles-lakers-team-beat-again

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Post by dboss Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:32 am

Magic get little in return.

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Post by MDCelticsFan Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:42 am

As usual, the Lakers get what they want. OKC will now have to take a back seat to the Lake Show at least for a year or two. With Nash & Bryant pushing him Howard will be able to reach his full potential. Mike Brown won't have anything to do with it. Also, I bet Jabbar is pulled in to tutor Howard as well. This one move seems to dwarf whatever good Ainge has been able to do. LA did not have to part with Gasol either in the process. Free agents and those commanding the clout to demand to go where they please via trade get to go to LA or Miami. Older free agents are left to other less attractive destinations. Free Agency has ruined professional sports. We have Curt Flood to thank for that. The madness continued in 1965 when Sonny Werblin signed Joe Namath for then a whopping $400,000.00. These bastards should be made to stay in place to keep the balance of power on an equal footing. Howard showed no loyalty to the people of Orlando like James ran out on the people of Ohio. This confirms the inmates are now running the asylum!

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Post by Sam Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:19 am

So the Lakers essentially traded Bynum for Howard. I'd rather have Bynum for reasons of both solid team play and mental acuity. As nearly as I can see, the only thing of note accomplished by the Lakers was to place Bynum in the Eastern Conference to make things more difficult for the Heat and Celtics. It's interesting to note that the Lakers continue to tend toward the big splash route and away from the lunch pail route. I've always thought that was one of the main differences between them and the Celtics.

Just another ho hum day in the summer.

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Post by beat Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:20 am

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As you say basically Howard for Bynum.

Bynum seemed always on the edge of a season ending injury but actually has made thru the past 2. Howard seems to be the neopolitain flavor of the month huge potential yet to be fulfilled.

Peronally I think Bynum was a better fit, and a slightly better offensive player.

Lakers bench is still woefull and it's a LONG season. As you say many times lets talk again in May (2013) and we'll see how this all pans out.

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Post by tjmakz Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:48 am

In my opinion, Dwight is a better player then Bynum and a must better defensive player. Dwight brings 100% effort every night, Bynum didn't.
Offensively, Nash is much better with big men like Amare and Gortat who are great with the pick and roll. Bynum is not that tye of player.
I think Bynum is going to have a huge year with Philly.
Offensively, it wouldn't surprise me if he scored more then Dwight this season. He always wanted to get more touches and he will get them with Philly.

The Lakers bench has already improved.
They signed Jamison and re-signed Jordan Hill.
They need one more combo guard who is a good shooter.
Keeping Ebanks is a nice surprise for Lakers fans.
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Post by sinus007 Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:55 am

Hi,
Finally Magic got rid of the Superman-Clown.
Now, I wonder how he's going to co-exist with KB.
Poor Mike Brown - now he has to deal with 2 primadonas. OTOH, he has so much brains on the floor that he can seat back and relax.
Good move by LAL to keep Gasol.
As for a threat to OKC - they have Perk, who handles DH pretty well.
Also, they still have no bench unless I missed someone of value.

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Post by beat Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:04 am

Sinus

I agree. Mans a clown.

they still have no bench either.

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Post by mrkleen09 Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:24 am

Last I checked, there is still only one ball.

Now you have Nash (who dominates the ball), Kobe who always wants the ball, Crybaby Howard - who needs to get touches - and Pau, who is ave at best on the defensive end - also needs touches to add any value.

Good luck with that.
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Post by MDCelticsFan Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:00 pm

Beat & Sinus:

Yeah, Howard HAS BEEN clown-like. However, as I restate: Nash & Kobe will push him the way Magic pushed Divac to get the most out of his ability, and Howard has a world of ability over Vlade. Lakers may not have a great bench, but the starters are adept at playing big minutes. For 2012-'13 & maybe one year beyond that they are the odds on choice in the West now, in my opinion.

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Post by mrkleen09 Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:12 pm

The Thunder spanked the Lakers in the playoffs this season and LA had no answers for Durant, Westbrook or Harden.

Not sure how this trade helps them in any of those places - so dont see how the Lakers are not the favorites in the west.
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Post by MDCelticsFan Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:23 pm

MRKleen:

Howard is an accomplished shot blocker. As long as he is in the game, 95% of the opposition's scoring will have to come from the perimeter. While at Orlando, Ewing was useless in helping Howard develop a low post offense. The Buss family & Magic (Johnson) will call on Jabbar to change that.

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Post by mrkleen09 Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:29 pm

MD

You dont think Bynum was also a good inside defender?

I fail to see how the Lakers are any better ready to deal with the Thunder then they were last year.
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Post by MDCelticsFan Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:39 pm

MR:

Bynum was a decent interior defender, but as TJ stated he was inconsistent. Bynum also was never billed as the game's best true center. Howard is, and Kobe & Nash ARE going to hold Howard accountable, You can bet that.

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Post by mrkleen09 Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:51 pm

Even if it makes the Lakers marginally better, they barely beat Denver and got beat 4-1 by OKC....so maginal isnt going to cut it.
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Post by Sam Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:56 pm

I used to know Dwight Howard when he was called Wilt Chamberlain and went west to make the Lakers supremely dominant. Both Wilt and Dwight were/are extremely "athletic" (based on the simplistic, pedestrian definition). Each was/is somewhat of a head case. Wilt won a championship after a few years with the Lakers. Maybe Howard will win a championship after a few years with the Lakers. It's all about how the team meshes, and the jury's out on that score. It'll be fun for Lakers fans to monitor the progress of a very different Lakers team just as Celtics fans will be focused on the progress of the Green.

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Post by sinus007 Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:17 pm

MD,
You could be right about pushing DH in the right direction. OTOH, they don't have anyone who can supervise this push, aka head coach. IMO, it'd be a miracle if LAL's starters gel together within this season.
As for them playing major minutes, I don't think so. KB's 34 with bum knees and huge mileage. Gasol's 32 on downslope of his career. MWP is not a spring chicken at 33. And, of course, Nash at 39.

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Post by tjmakz Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:23 pm

mrkleen09 wrote:Even if it makes the Lakers marginally better, they barely beat Denver and got beat 4-1 by OKC....so maginal isnt going to cut it.

The Lakers barely got by Denver and lost to OKC mainly because their point guard and bench play was terrible.
Sessions didn't have more then 15 points or 6 assists in any playoff game.
LA has greatly upgraded their point guard and bench with the additions of Nash and Jamison.
Adding a consistent defense stopper in Howard is also a huge addition to LA.
I believe LA will now look to add Barbosa and another PF, maybe Kenyon Martin.

No team individual defensive player can stop Westbrook or Durant.
But as we saw in the finals this year, they can be beaten because they don't have much of a presence in the middle to get easy baskets.
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Post by tjmakz Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:32 pm

sam wrote:I used to know Dwight Howard when he was called Wilt Chamberlain and went west to make the Lakers supremely dominant. Both Wilt and Dwight were/are extremely "athletic" (based on the simplistic, pedestrian definition). Each was/is somewhat of a head case. Wilt won a championship after a few years with the Lakers. Maybe Howard will win a championship after a few years with the Lakers. It's all about how the team meshes, and the jury's out on that score. It'll be fun for Lakers fans to monitor the progress of a very different Lakers team just as Celtics fans will be focused on the progress of the Green.

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Dwight came close to winning the championship a few years ago when they played LA in the Finals.
If Courtney Lee had made the lay up at the end of game 2, Orlando might have won that series.

That team didn't have a lot of talent on it.
Their starting line up in the Finals was Howard, Turkoglu, Rashard Lewis, Courtney Lee, Rafer Alston.
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Post by sinus007 Fri Aug 10, 2012 3:01 pm

TJ,
I believe that in 2009 finals Nelson came back as the starting PG despite the outstanding performance of Alston in previous rounds.
Also, I disagree that Orl didn't have talent on that team.
OTOH, I think LAL were so formidable that Magic looked kind of lame.

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Post by tjmakz Fri Aug 10, 2012 3:09 pm

sinus007 wrote:TJ,
I believe that in 2009 finals Nelson came back as the starting PG despite the outstanding performance of Alston in previous rounds.
Also, I disagree that Orl didn't have talent on that team.
OTOH, I think LAL were so formidable that Magic looked kind of lame.

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Nelson did come back against the Lakers but he did not play well and did not start.
He had a total of 19 points in the 5 games.
It is hard to win a title with just 2 superstars.
The Magic had 1 superstar and really not even another all-star.
Dwight and Orlando did well with inferior talent.
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