The Celtics Would be a Perfect Team For a Baron Davis Comeback
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The Celtics Would be a Perfect Team For a Baron Davis Comeback
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Boston Celtics Would Be the Perfect Team for a Baron Davis Comeback September 15, 2013 5:41 pm EDT by Sean McKenney
Debby Wong-USA TODAY Sports
In my opinion, Baron Davis will always serve as something of a folk hero in the NBA.
After willing the Golden State Warriors to relevancy, becoming a nasty spark off the New York Knicks bench and sporting a beard that should make James Harden question his own originality, it was sad to see him go down with a brutal injury in the 2012 playoffs against the Miami Heat.
Since then, Davis has been out of the league and missed by the fans. However, the old adage of “gone but not forgotten” rings true in Davis’ case as he has repeatedly been spotted hanging around the Knicks’ locker room and even shared a story about the time he was abducted by aliens and had his mind upgraded with their mysterious technology.
He then finished his ordeal with a trip to In-n-Out.
Despite all that, Davis has allegedly made some headway on this planet as well. Davis has made it clear from the beginning of his injury that he intended to come back to the league. In an interview with Alan Hahn of sulia.com, Davis said by at this point he wants to “be ready to showcase my talent and try out for whoever I need to try out for”.
Here we are in mid-September, and if Davis’ phone is ringing off the hook, he certainly hasn’t told anyone about it. While I would love to see Davis get to immediately return to a contender that would fit his unique style like his beloved Knicks or the Oklahoma City Thunder, Davis is a bit of a gamble. Some of the league’s top teams, regardless of how right they are, may think he isn’t worth it.
Davis is a veteran point guard that needs a team that wouldn’t mind giving him a shot. The Boston Celtics are a team that needs a veteran point guard to aid the loss of Rajon Rondo. At this point, I don’t think Danny Ainge would mind gambling. However, there are scores of veteran point guards that would love to play in the NBA. The Celtics won’t sign him just because he’s there. So why Davis?
For starters, the Celtics are a very, very young team. Whatever amount of veteran leadership could bring to the table, especially on such a guard-heavy team, could go a long way. On the hardwood, the Celtics will need scoring this season, and Davis is no slouch on the offensive end of the floor.
With the Knicks, Davis may have only averaged six and four, but was playing alongside the likes of Carmelo Anthony and Amare Stoudamire. In that situation, there isn’t going to be excessive passing or scoring beyond the two of them.
Davis is also a former All-Star. You can’t expect him to go back to averaging 22 ppg anymore, but in a situation without any “black holes” on the court and one in which he could start for Rondo, Davis would be the biggest threat he’s been in a while.
A tenure in Boston could be good for Davis’ game. Some of the knocks against Davis’ style are that he shoots too much from behind the arc and that he lacks aggression. In Boston, his desire for going tray-crazy could be quelled by the fact Avery Bradley and newcomer Keith Bogans should have that role taken care of.
While Davis avoids aggressive play due largely due to his lackluster free throw percentage, the defensive capabilities of Bradley should provide him with a few extra easier shots at getting near the paint.
And while clutch is not a stat, Davis has a habit of making big shots when he is called upon to do so. Many Celtics fans would have no problem with Jeff Green taking the game-winner, but he may be the only realistic option in that situation. Adding Davis adds a whole new element to crunch time scenarios for the opposition, as you never know when he may turn it on.
The NBA just hasn’t been the same since Davis left. It’s clear he wants back in, and for good reason. There aren’t many scenarios in which I would encourage Ainge to sign a damaged 34-year-old guard who has been out of the league for a while, but this is one of them.
Davis presents himself not as a washed up former star, but as an under-the-radar solution to a very big problem for the Celtics. Boston would be foolish not to give him a call.
bob
MY NOTE: Unless I've been misunderstanding gyso's posts, we can't afford a veteran, any veteran. Although, there is something in the CBA, I think, about the league picking up a large chunk of a veteran's minimum contract?
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Boston Celtics Would Be the Perfect Team for a Baron Davis Comeback September 15, 2013 5:41 pm EDT by Sean McKenney
Debby Wong-USA TODAY Sports
In my opinion, Baron Davis will always serve as something of a folk hero in the NBA.
After willing the Golden State Warriors to relevancy, becoming a nasty spark off the New York Knicks bench and sporting a beard that should make James Harden question his own originality, it was sad to see him go down with a brutal injury in the 2012 playoffs against the Miami Heat.
Since then, Davis has been out of the league and missed by the fans. However, the old adage of “gone but not forgotten” rings true in Davis’ case as he has repeatedly been spotted hanging around the Knicks’ locker room and even shared a story about the time he was abducted by aliens and had his mind upgraded with their mysterious technology.
He then finished his ordeal with a trip to In-n-Out.
Despite all that, Davis has allegedly made some headway on this planet as well. Davis has made it clear from the beginning of his injury that he intended to come back to the league. In an interview with Alan Hahn of sulia.com, Davis said by at this point he wants to “be ready to showcase my talent and try out for whoever I need to try out for”.
Here we are in mid-September, and if Davis’ phone is ringing off the hook, he certainly hasn’t told anyone about it. While I would love to see Davis get to immediately return to a contender that would fit his unique style like his beloved Knicks or the Oklahoma City Thunder, Davis is a bit of a gamble. Some of the league’s top teams, regardless of how right they are, may think he isn’t worth it.
Davis is a veteran point guard that needs a team that wouldn’t mind giving him a shot. The Boston Celtics are a team that needs a veteran point guard to aid the loss of Rajon Rondo. At this point, I don’t think Danny Ainge would mind gambling. However, there are scores of veteran point guards that would love to play in the NBA. The Celtics won’t sign him just because he’s there. So why Davis?
For starters, the Celtics are a very, very young team. Whatever amount of veteran leadership could bring to the table, especially on such a guard-heavy team, could go a long way. On the hardwood, the Celtics will need scoring this season, and Davis is no slouch on the offensive end of the floor.
With the Knicks, Davis may have only averaged six and four, but was playing alongside the likes of Carmelo Anthony and Amare Stoudamire. In that situation, there isn’t going to be excessive passing or scoring beyond the two of them.
Davis is also a former All-Star. You can’t expect him to go back to averaging 22 ppg anymore, but in a situation without any “black holes” on the court and one in which he could start for Rondo, Davis would be the biggest threat he’s been in a while.
A tenure in Boston could be good for Davis’ game. Some of the knocks against Davis’ style are that he shoots too much from behind the arc and that he lacks aggression. In Boston, his desire for going tray-crazy could be quelled by the fact Avery Bradley and newcomer Keith Bogans should have that role taken care of.
While Davis avoids aggressive play due largely due to his lackluster free throw percentage, the defensive capabilities of Bradley should provide him with a few extra easier shots at getting near the paint.
And while clutch is not a stat, Davis has a habit of making big shots when he is called upon to do so. Many Celtics fans would have no problem with Jeff Green taking the game-winner, but he may be the only realistic option in that situation. Adding Davis adds a whole new element to crunch time scenarios for the opposition, as you never know when he may turn it on.
The NBA just hasn’t been the same since Davis left. It’s clear he wants back in, and for good reason. There aren’t many scenarios in which I would encourage Ainge to sign a damaged 34-year-old guard who has been out of the league for a while, but this is one of them.
Davis presents himself not as a washed up former star, but as an under-the-radar solution to a very big problem for the Celtics. Boston would be foolish not to give him a call.
bob
MY NOTE: Unless I've been misunderstanding gyso's posts, we can't afford a veteran, any veteran. Although, there is something in the CBA, I think, about the league picking up a large chunk of a veteran's minimum contract?
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Re: The Celtics Would be a Perfect Team For a Baron Davis Comeback
Bob,
Even if he weren't likely to be in the "out box" most of the time, could he be a consistent catalyst and mentor in the up-tempo attack we've all been hearing about? Personally, I think we're all a little too worried about the salary cap. If Danny wants someone, he can find a way to squeeze him in. For instance, he could free up a couple of million dollars by trading our friend Crawford to Milwaukee to a second-round draft pick. Since Milwaukee's under the cap, I believe that trade works. I'm sending it to Commissioner Gyso's office for approval.
Sam
Even if he weren't likely to be in the "out box" most of the time, could he be a consistent catalyst and mentor in the up-tempo attack we've all been hearing about? Personally, I think we're all a little too worried about the salary cap. If Danny wants someone, he can find a way to squeeze him in. For instance, he could free up a couple of million dollars by trading our friend Crawford to Milwaukee to a second-round draft pick. Since Milwaukee's under the cap, I believe that trade works. I'm sending it to Commissioner Gyso's office for approval.
Sam
Re: The Celtics Would be a Perfect Team For a Baron Davis Comeback
Sam and Bob,
On a straight free agent signing to fill the 15th roster spot, Davis' cap hit would only be $884,293. That is enough to put us back over the luxury tax level. The thing about the LTL is that if we go back over it and stay over it until the end of the season, it affects future years because of the repeater rate penalty. I am sure that Danny wants to get under it for this season and possibly next season as well.
In that way, in three seasons, the Celtics can go back over the LTL without being hit with the repeater rate penalty. I believe that for most teams, they will want to be under the LTL in 2 out of every 4 years to avoid the RRP.
I like Sam's suggestion about trading his friend Crawford to any team that is under the cap. We could include some cash as well. Since we already sent some cash with Fab Melo, the amount of cash we could send with Crawford would be the difference between $3.1M (the limit for this season) and the amount we gave Memphis in the Fab deal. If we got a 2nd round pick in the deal, great. We can use it in future trades.
gyso
On a straight free agent signing to fill the 15th roster spot, Davis' cap hit would only be $884,293. That is enough to put us back over the luxury tax level. The thing about the LTL is that if we go back over it and stay over it until the end of the season, it affects future years because of the repeater rate penalty. I am sure that Danny wants to get under it for this season and possibly next season as well.
In that way, in three seasons, the Celtics can go back over the LTL without being hit with the repeater rate penalty. I believe that for most teams, they will want to be under the LTL in 2 out of every 4 years to avoid the RRP.
I like Sam's suggestion about trading his friend Crawford to any team that is under the cap. We could include some cash as well. Since we already sent some cash with Fab Melo, the amount of cash we could send with Crawford would be the difference between $3.1M (the limit for this season) and the amount we gave Memphis in the Fab deal. If we got a 2nd round pick in the deal, great. We can use it in future trades.
gyso
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Re: The Celtics Would be a Perfect Team For a Baron Davis Comeback
Thanks, Gyso. I figured it looked like such a good idea that there must have been something wrong with it. Of course if Crawford left the team, this forum would probably suffer from atrophied conversations.
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Re: The Celtics Would be a Perfect Team For a Baron Davis Comeback
All I can say is, be careful what you wish for.
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Re: The Celtics Would be a Perfect Team For a Baron Davis Comeback
Out of shape, bad attitude, wont play well with a young coach, will butt heads with Rondo. No Thanks.
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Re: The Celtics Would be a Perfect Team For a Baron Davis Comeback
Boston could trade Crawford and $1.54m in cash to help cover Crawford's $2.16m salary.
I don't think Milwaukee would give up any draft picks for him. Maybe a top 55 protected pick that would never go to Boston.
Washington didn't want him, I doubt Boston does either and I doubt any other team would have much interest.
Boston can sign another player and go over the luxury tax line but they just need to get back under it at after the trade deadline which is when team payrolls are calculated for salary cap and luxury tax purposes.
I'm not sure why Boston would have any interest in Baron Davis.
Play the young guys. Maybe if they think they can flip him for a draft pick at the trade deadline.
I don't think Milwaukee would give up any draft picks for him. Maybe a top 55 protected pick that would never go to Boston.
Washington didn't want him, I doubt Boston does either and I doubt any other team would have much interest.
Boston can sign another player and go over the luxury tax line but they just need to get back under it at after the trade deadline which is when team payrolls are calculated for salary cap and luxury tax purposes.
I'm not sure why Boston would have any interest in Baron Davis.
Play the young guys. Maybe if they think they can flip him for a draft pick at the trade deadline.
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Re: The Celtics Would be a Perfect Team For a Baron Davis Comeback
I'm of the mindset that this year they should just ride it out with the young guys. If they wanted to contend this year, those trades would have been made before.
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Re: The Celtics Would be a Perfect Team For a Baron Davis Comeback
I'm ok with riding the young guys this year. On the other hand, it's not very fun, nor very educational, to keep running into a brick wall. Ever play a sport/activity, whether it is basketball, tennis or chess, where your opponent is just SO much better, smarter and more experienced than you the end result is always you getting obliterated? Did you learn much? I never did, other than that I couldn't compete with them. There's something to be said for having a senior citizen around, just as there was an advantage to having Keyon Dooling on the roster that went beyond his on court contributions (which I never thought too highly of. I'm even less of a fan of his recent off court game). It's good that Rondo was in Pressey's ear when he was in town, but it's not the same thing as actually manning up against him.
Rondo will not be playing much the first month or two and will be at less than 100% even after that. It would be helpful to have an experienced veteran actually playing with Phil Pressey and against him in practice. Rondo won't be able to do that for a while.
Ok, so maybe not Davis. Agent 0 is trying out with the Clips. If Rondo's not ready to be back then Barbosa almost certainly is not. 38 year old Mike James? Ugh. How about Royal Ivey? He's a 3-and-D type like Dooling, but NOT Dooling. How about Jamaal Tinsley? How about TJ's favorite player, Chris Duhon? He might not be all that and a bag of chips, but he's a vet and can teach the game to kids who have the talent but not the experience.
bob
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Rondo will not be playing much the first month or two and will be at less than 100% even after that. It would be helpful to have an experienced veteran actually playing with Phil Pressey and against him in practice. Rondo won't be able to do that for a while.
Ok, so maybe not Davis. Agent 0 is trying out with the Clips. If Rondo's not ready to be back then Barbosa almost certainly is not. 38 year old Mike James? Ugh. How about Royal Ivey? He's a 3-and-D type like Dooling, but NOT Dooling. How about Jamaal Tinsley? How about TJ's favorite player, Chris Duhon? He might not be all that and a bag of chips, but he's a vet and can teach the game to kids who have the talent but not the experience.
bob
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The team salary on the date of its last regular season game is used for salary cap and luxury tax purposes.
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