NBA Draft Combine Thread

[bobheckler]

This snuck up on me.  The Draft Combine actually started yesterday, Wednesday.

As info comes in, let's put it here.

For the specific prospects that were identified in the 1-6, 16 and 23 threads, all updates will go there and will be put in bold, so you know there has been a change.


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[bobheckler]

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[arambone]

Here is the full list of players the Celtics have interviewed or are scheduled to interview, according to the source: Kay Felder (Oakland), Diamond Stone (Maryland), Jaylen Brown (California), Wade Baldwin (Vanderbilt), Pascal Siakam (New Mexico State), Deyonta Davis (Michigan State), Jamal Murray (Kentucky), Zhou Qi (China), Buddy Hield (Oklahoma), Brandon Ingram (Duke), Malachi Richardson (Syracuse), Patrick McCaw (UNLV), Chinanu Onuaku (Louisville), Damian Jones (Vanderbilt), Malik Newman (Mississippi State), Cat Barber (North Carolina State), Cheick Diallo (Kansas), Thon Maker (high school), Nigel Hayes (Wisconsin), Jakob Poeltl (Utah).

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/celtics/2016/05/12/here-are-potential-draft-picks-celtics-are-interviewing/jzLCsewxLof7t4N10XFOAL/story.html

[bobheckler]

Here is the full list of players the Celtics have interviewed or are scheduled to interview, according to the source: Kay Felder (Oakland), Diamond Stone (Maryland), Jaylen Brown (California), Wade Baldwin (Vanderbilt), Pascal Siakam (New Mexico State), Deyonta Davis (Michigan State), Jamal Murray (Kentucky), Zhou Qi (China), Buddy Hield (Oklahoma), Brandon Ingram (Duke), Malachi Richardson (Syracuse), Patrick McCaw (UNLV), Chinanu Onuaku (Louisville), Damian Jones (Vanderbilt), Malik Newman (Mississippi State), Cat Barber (North Carolina State), Cheick Diallo (Kansas), Thon Maker (high school), Nigel Hayes (Wisconsin), Jakob Poeltl (Utah).

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/celtics/2016/05/12/here-are-potential-draft-picks-celtics-are-interviewing/jzLCsewxLof7t4N10XFOAL/story.html

Hmmm.  No AJ Hammons.  Cowens is gonna have a snit.  A snit fit.

Of course, considering how many picks we have in the first and second round Danny might feel comfortable with the idea that he'll have no trouble bringing Hammons in for a workout, and a leisurely interview, and doesn't need to have this 30 minute scheduled one. Just threw you a bone, Cow.


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[arambone]

Hammons flaked out on the Combine. Never showed up.

[bobheckler]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/combine-buzz-194205610.html



Combine buzz: Skal Labissiere impresses



Jonathan Givony of The Vertical,Yahoo Sports


7 hours ago

0:12 / 1:06
 


CHICAGO – Skal Labissiere was once projected as a serious contender to be the No. 1 overall pick in the 2016 NBA draft.
But a disappointing season at Kentucky in which he was in and out of coach John Calipari's doghouse and struggled to get playing time put an end to that.

On Wednesday, DraftExpress was invited to watch Labissiere in a private workout in Chicago, and he showed why he was such a highly regarded prospect six months ago.

Labissiere has excellent tools, is just a hair under 7 feet in shoes and has outstanding fluidity for a player his size. He is quick off his feet, extremely nimble and covers ground effortlessly. He is still thin, but has a frame that should have no problem filling out in the next few years.

His skill level was extremely impressive. Labissiere made shots from all over the floor, both off the dribble and with his feet set, and showed range out to the NBA three-point line. His footwork and balance was excellent in the post and on the perimeter, and his fundamentals were outstanding for someone who only started playing basketball as a teenager. It's incredibly rare to see a player his size with that type of touch.

Labissiere has a world of talent even at an early stage of development, yet he will need time to translate that to game settings on a consistent basis. After stringing together one of the most impressive workouts DraftExpress has seen in the past few years, there's little doubt that Labissiere's draft stock will recover quickly over the next few weeks. Talent rises in the NBA pre-draft process, and Labissiere has one of the highest ceilings of any prospect in this class.


Price of second-round picks rising

CHICAGO – The 2016 NBA draft is considered by many NBA executives to be fairly weak in terms of star-caliber talent. But few think it is a shallow class. With the draft combine in full swing, the sheer quantity of NBA-caliber talent has teams exploring ways to acquire more draft picks.

The trend is particularly noticeable among teams picking in the second round, where – as opposed to the first round and its rigid rookie salary scale – there are no restrictions on the type of contracts teams can negotiate with players.

Many teams now try to sign contracts up to three or four years in length for second-round picks, with only a portion of the deal being guaranteed up front. If they are fortunate enough to uncover an NBA-rotation caliber player in that range, they can enjoy having that player under contract for a rate far below market value for many years.

The Miami Heat did that with 2015 second-rounder Josh Richardson, the No. 40 overall pick who agreed to a three-year, $2.5 million deal. Toronto gave Norman Powell three years and $2.5 million after selecting him at No. 46 in 2015. With the NBA salary cap rising this summer that is something more teams will try to do. Even if a team signs a player to a small guarantee in the $1.5 million range and it doesn't pan out, it's not the end of the world. A team can simply cut ties and try its luck again.

Second-round picks could once be had for pennies on the dollar, but those days are long gone, multiple NBA executives in Chicago told The Vertical. Second-round picks are now at such a premium that it's likely we'll see some sold on draft night for the maximum amount allowed, $3.4 million dollars. It's a creative way for big-market teams such as New York and Brooklyn to find their way into the draft.

Last year the most that was paid for a pick was $1.5 million, when the Knicks purchased the No. 35 draft pick from Philadelphia to select Willy Hernangomez, and Portland acquired the rights to Daniel Diez (No. 54 from Utah). The Knicks also paid Indiana $1.5 million for the draft pick they used to select Louis Labeyrie at No. 57. The most ever paid for a second-round pick is $3 million, which Oklahoma City paid Atlanta to acquire 31st overall pick Tibor Pleiss in 2010.

This draft's dollar amounts might put previous years to shame as the entire financial model of the NBA continues to shift with the new TV money about to roll in.

– Jonathan Givony of The Vertical


Furkan Korkmaz gets buyout clause

Turkey’s Furkan Korkmaz – No. 15 selection in The Vertical’s projected NBA Draft – has negotiated a buyout clause into his contract with Anadolu Efes, clearing the way for him to possibly join the NBA for the 2016-17 season, a source with knowledge of the deal told The Vertical.

Furkan Korkmaz is the No. 15 selection in The Vertical’s projected NBA draft. (Getty)Korkmaz, a promising 18-year-old forward, had no escape clause in his contract with the Turkish team, and now his draft standing is strengthened because NBA teams can bring him over right away.

Korkmaz’s buyout will be $2 million, a source said. If he’s unable to secure assurances that he’ll be selected in the lottery, it appears likely he will withdraw from the draft before the June 15 deadline and return to Turkey for another season, sources said. Korkmaz would then turn his attention to entering the 2017 draft.

An NBA team can contribute up to $650,000 this summer for a player picked in the first round with an international buyout, but league rules dictate that the difference must be paid out of the player's pocket. The significant cost of paying the rest of the buyout dictates the need for Korkmaz to be selected high enough that the rookie wage scale would allow him to pay the difference on the buyout.

Korkmaz’s minutes have been inconsistent this season, which isn’t surprising considering his age and that he’s playing for one of the most ambitious clubs in European basketball. At 6-foot-8, he possesses an impressive combination of perimeter shooting and athleticism, and NBA teams consider him one of the best long-term pro prospects in this international class. He’s an attractive draft-and-stash candidate for teams with multiple picks in the mid-first round, such as Denver (Nos. 15 and 19) or Boston (Nos. 16 and 23).

Nevertheless, Korkmaz is expected to have difficulty traveling to the United States for the workouts and interviews needed to improve his draft stock if his Turkish season runs late into June.

– Jonathan Givony of The Vertical


Surgery shelves Wayne Selden

Wayne Selden is on track in his rehabilitation and training. (AP)Kansas junior Wayne Selden will only participate in interviews and medical exams at the NBA draft combine – pulling out of on-court drills – after undergoing a recent procedure for a small meniscus tear in his knee, league sources told The Vertical.

Selden played with the injury for part of the season, helping Kansas reach the Elite Eight of the NCAA tournament. He held off on the procedure in his right knee until after the season, sources said. In 38 games, the 6-foot-5 guard averaged 13.8 points, 3.5 rebounds and 2.6 assists while shooting 47.4 percent from the field.

Selden, 21, informed the league of his status in advance of the start of the combine Wednesday. Selden has stayed on track in his rehabilitation and training, and is expected to begin individual team workouts soon.

Miami senior Sheldon McClellan will now attend the combine as a replacement, sources told The Vertical.

NBA executives told The Vertical that Selden has a wide draft range between the first and second rounds.
– Shams Charania of The Vertical



bob
MY NOTE:  There is uncopyable video of Skal Labissiere working out and doing shooting drills on the link provided. Kid can shoot from range.


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[dboss]

Here is the full list of players the Celtics have interviewed or are scheduled to interview, according to the source: Kay Felder (Oakland), Diamond Stone (Maryland), Jaylen Brown (California), Wade Baldwin (Vanderbilt), Pascal Siakam (New Mexico State), Deyonta Davis (Michigan State), Jamal Murray (Kentucky), Zhou Qi (China), Buddy Hield (Oklahoma), Brandon Ingram (Duke), Malachi Richardson (Syracuse), Patrick McCaw (UNLV), Chinanu Onuaku (Louisville), Damian Jones (Vanderbilt), Malik Newman (Mississippi State), Cat Barber (North Carolina State), Cheick Diallo (Kansas), Thon Maker (high school), Nigel Hayes (Wisconsin), Jakob Poeltl (Utah).

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/celtics/2016/05/12/here-are-potential-draft-picks-celtics-are-interviewing/jzLCsewxLof7t4N10XFOAL/story.html

Hmmm.  No AJ Hammons.  Cowens is gonna have a snit.  A snit fit.

Of course, considering how many picks we have in the first and second round Danny might feel comfortable with the idea that he'll have no trouble bringing Hammons in for a workout, and a leisurely interview, and doesn't need to have this 30 minute scheduled one.  Just threw you a bone, Cow.


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there is a list of players that will not attend the combine.

Need to find it and see if AJ is on there.

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[bobheckler]

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2016/05/12/famed-trainers-take-nba-combine-assesses-prospects-too-narrowly/




FAMED TRAINER’S TAKE: NBA COMBINE ASSESSES PROSPECTS TOO NARROWLYMay 12, 2016  ·  4:52 PM ET


2016 Draft Combine Begins



As NBA scouts, coaches, general managers and other staffers descended on Chicago for the league’s annual Draft Combine, the process of poking, prodding, measuring and timing the nation’s top pro prospects began in earnest.

But at least one authority on what it takes to excel as an NBA player remained unconvinced the participating teams would learn much of anything.

Tim Grover, famed trainer of Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade and other NBA notables, offered a contrarian view on his blog at attackathletics.com. Grover contends that the NBA scouting staffs fall in lockstep in how they assess players at the combine, more because they can than because it yields empirical evidence for who can play and who cannot.

This might be met with equal skepticism from NBA personnel departments, who wouldn’t miss this annual roundup in Chicago and risk putting themselves at a disadvantage relative to the other 29 teams. But they’re kidding themselves if they think the numbers generated at the combine will make or break a player’s career or their team’s draft success. Grover writes in part:

This is for all the guys who firmly believe that their entire lives would have been completely different—wealthier, happier, sexier—if only they had been given the rare and awesome ability to jump.

Let me make you feel better: I don’t test my players’ vertical jump. I’ll test it if someone asks me to, if a player or team really wants to know, but to me, it’s a shallow prediction of what an individual can actually accomplish as a competitive athlete, a measure of talent, not skill. Talent and skill aren’t the same thing; the world is full of talented people who have never achieved anything.

When I started working with Michael Jordan in 1989, his vertical jump was 38 inches. By today’s standards, that might not even get you drafted in the top ten; Andrew Wiggins reportedly had a 44” vertical jump before he was drafted No. 1 overall in the 2014 NBA Draft. Eventually we got MJ up to 42”—and then 48”—using the training program which later became my book “JUMP ATTACK.” But we weren’t specifically training for vertical jump; we trained for overall explosiveness and skill, and the vertical increase was just a by-product of the training.

It’s just a number. You know those people in school who always got good grades but were complete dunces in real life? Same principle here: If you train for a one-dimensional test, you’ll be a one-dimensional athlete. The truth is, the ability to jump straight up into the air one time in a completely controlled situation doesn’t indicate what you can do during a game.

Can you do it with two guys in your face and another waiting to clock you when you come down? With the game on the line and lights in your eyes? Falling backwards? What about the second or third jump? That’s what I want to see. Game results, not test results. MJ and Kobe scored more than 30,000 points in their careers; I’m not a stat guy but I’m pretty sure most of those points didn’t come from dunks.

I’m not just picking on testing vertical jump here. Draft Combines are supposedly designed to measure athletic ability, but cones don’t weigh 400 pounds and move at lightning speed. Everyone gets excited about a guy who runs a fast 40. But how often do you have a game situation where you’re running 40 yards in a straight line unopposed? It’s a test of speed and acceleration: that’s talent. I want to see skill.

Show me you can explode for five yards, stop, cut, avoid the defense, change direction, and keep going…while maintaining that speed. Ask Jerry Rice: you don’t get to be the best by sprinting alone down an open field.

The NBA Draft Combine includes a 185-pound bench press test. What are we proving there, how hard you can fire a chest pass? If you’re an NBA player on your back in the middle of a game pushing something away, you either need a referee or an ambulance. I want to see overall strength in competition, not while you’re lying on a bench. Kevin Durant couldn’t do one rep at his pre-draft Combine. Looks like things worked out well for him.

Look, there’s always going to be someone who jumps higher or runs faster than you. But if you’re a golfer who only works on your drive, now you’re Happy Gilmore. You can do one thing. If you can only dominate the vertical jump competition or the bench press, congratulations, now you’re a great vertical jumper or bench presser. It doesn’t make you a skilled and competitive athlete.



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[worcester]

MJ had a 48" vertical. Wow!

[bobheckler]

http://www.nba.com/celtics/news/sidebar/misc-051216-nba-draft-combine-day-1-takeaways



2016 NBA Draft Combine: Day 1 Takeaways



Posted: May 12, 2016



By Marc D'Amico |  @Marc_DAmico
Celtics.com


May 12, 2016


The opinions expressed in this column do not represent those of the Boston Celtics front office personnel.



CHICAGO – Day 1 of the NBA Draft Combine is in the books, and with that, NBA evaluators have 80 minutes of basketball to evaluate.

Thirty-seven of the 60 players who were at the Combine were full participants, and those players were broken up into four teams for two 40-minute games. One contest was a nail-biter. The other was a blowout. Takeaways from the two contests are below.

Game 1: Team 1 vs. Team 2

Robert Carter Jr., out of Maryland, was undoubtedly the most impressive player on the floor during Game 1. He was a force at both ends of the court.

Carter Jr. showcased an inside-outside game, making two of his three 3-pointers while also cashing in on buckets around the lane, some of which were off of decisive post moves. He has a nice, smooth release from NBA 3, and he moves well off of the ball for a big man.

At the defensive end, Carter Jr. racked up a game-high four steals to go along with a block. He showcased solid instincts by jumping passes and even swiped a steal on a help-defense dig, a play that’s much more typical of a guard.

It felt as if Carter Jr. was everywhere during the first half. His motor propelled him around the court at both ends and it was impressive to watch. He just needs to get into better shape so that he can maintain that level of play throughout an entire game.

Kay Felder, who stands in at a generous 5-foot-9, totaled 11 points, four assists and four steals during 23 minutes of action on Thursday. He’s a lot like Isaiah Thomas in the sense that he is incredibly confident for his size, and he scraps and claws for everything he gets.

Oh, and the dude can jump.

Felder logged the highest max vertical leap of anyone who was tested at the Combine on Thursday, at 44 inches. That mark equals the highest max vert that was logged at last year’s Combine.

I’m not sure if Felder will make it in the NBA, but he’ll make it somewhere. He is an explosive athlete, he plays the game in overdrive, and he has a nice feel for the game.

Cheick Diallo logged 22 minutes – three-times his average during his lone season at Kansas – and totaled 18 points, four rebounds and four blocked shots Thursday afternoon. His length immediately caught my eye. He notched the second-widest wingspan at the Combine, at 7’4.5”, despite the fact that he was the 19th-tallest player, standing in at just 6’7.5”.

Diallo’s length allows him to make an impact on defense, both in passing lanes and in defending the rim. He has serious defensive potential, and also showcased some offensive growth.

The question is, what position does he play in the NBA? His body type would have been prototypical of an NBA small forward 5-10 years ago, but with the NBA going smaller and smaller each year, he may move over to power forward. I’m just not sure if his game fits either position all too well.

Game 2: Team 3 vs. Team 4

You weren’t watching this game without noticing that Chinanu Onuaku does something you rarely ever see in a basketball game. That is, he shoots his free throws underhanded with both hands.

Onuaku uses the form Rick Barry made famous back in the 60s and 70s. Onuaku made 58.9 percent of his attempts this past season at Louisville and made three of his five attempts Thursday afternoon.

Onuaku was the only bright spot for his team, which got crushed by a score of 109-69. He’s a solid athlete, though he lacks explosiveness, with a nice touch around the rim and he extended out to 20 feet on Thursday.

Ben Bentil, out of Providence, was fantastic for Team 4. He scored the first five points of the game and seven of Team 4’s first 11 points overall. He finished the contest with 15 points and 11 rebounds in just 20 minutes of action.

Bentil is a fantastic athlete and he’s capable of extending the defense. He made two of his four 3-pointers Thursday afternoon and, after watching him during shooting drills, I believe he will be a consistent shooter in the mid- and deep-midrange. He stands in at 6’7.25” without shoes and has a fantastic frame, which I believe makes him more capable of playing both forward positions than Diallo, at least at the moment.

I kept having flashbacks of a young Andre Miller as I watched Malcolm Brogdon play this afternoon. Brogdon is a bit taller with a bit more bulk, but his look just reminds me of Miller. Brogdon also played point guard throughout the afternoon and looked a whole lot like Miller in that aspect as well, as he played with a high level of aggression yet was also under control.

I took note after note after note on him. “Sees the floor well.” “Sees things before they happen.” “Flat arc on 3 but swished one home and made athletic plays off the dribble.” “Controlled.” “Long, accurate alley-oop pass.” “Strong handle, great build.”

Brogden finished the day with 17 points, six assists, four rebounds and three steals. He certainly stood out to me, and I’m sure he left a lasting memory in the minds of the hundreds of executives who were also watching with a keen eye.


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[bobheckler]

http://www.si.com/nba/2016/05/12/draft-combine-top-prospects-ben-simmons-brandon-ingram-henry-ellenson



NBA draft combine: Top prospects, players to watch after Day One




CHICAGO — The first day of the combine is in the bag. The lottery is days away. Yes, it’s very much still the playoffs, but draft season is here. The combine itself is just a big gym filled with more whispering executives than incredibly meaningful basketball, but here, we publicly receive our first universal pieces of the puzzle, the data upon which proverbial rocks are built: measurements and testing results.

Guess what? Guys that look tall on TV are … still tall. Nevertheless, there are some first-day takeaways: good measurements and test results (or bad ones for that matter) will affirm certain things for scouts, giving everyone numbers to agree on—at least until teams have players in to acquire some of the same data for themselves. This offers us a direct point of comparison for players both head-to-head and historically. It’s why Ben Simmons and Brandon Ingram didn’t bother: Elite guys with their stocks locked in have little to gain.

There was also a five-on-five scrimmage component, featuring mostly second-round caliber players, but some very solid ones. This draft is only shallow when we’re discussing high-lottery talent relative to the mean in past years. There’s a growing belief that there’s plenty of value floating around in the middle-to-late parts of the pack, and it seemed that way Thursday. Here are 10 guys we learned stuff about from combine Day One. For fun, every time you see the word “wingspan,” drink.


Demetrius Jackson

As of this writing, the measurements are still unofficial, but Demetrius Jackson turned in a 43-inch vertical. 43 inches! The Notre Dame point guard, angling to be the second point guard selected in a not-so-deep draft, turned in the fourth-highest vertical leap ever at the combine. Jackson is a guy some view as good-at-everything, great-at-nothing, a productive college player, but not necessarily a star. Being able to float the “certifiably elite athlete” card won’t hurt him.

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[arambone]

MJ had a 48" vertical. Wow!

Sez his trainer/buddy

[arambone]

7'1" with a 7'3" wingspan and a 36.6" max leap.


Oh, and he can shoot it and he has good handles.

The only disappointing thing to me was that he only weighed 216 or 218 or something, after weighing 225 a few weeks ago.

[steve3344]

http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/eight-picks-celtics-draw-plenty-attention-combine

[steve3344]

http://www.si.com/nba/2016/05/12/draft-combine-top-prospects-ben-simmons-brandon-ingram-henry-ellenson

[arambone]

"FYI...Thon Maker's 36.5'' max vert is the highest for any player 6'11'' or taller in the history of the NBA combine



I bet his max vert reach was like 12 and a half feet high. Maybe higher.

[kdp59]

http://www.si.com/nba/2016/05/12/draft-combine-top-prospects-ben-simmons-brandon-ingram-henry-ellenson

I remember early in the college season Danny went to see Ellenson play. Now Ellenson supposedly measured better than many thought he would.

Just something to keep in the back of our minds.

[bobheckler]

"FYI...Thon Maker's 36.5'' max vert is the highest for any player 6'11'' or taller in the history of the NBA combine



I bet his max vert reach was like 12 and a half feet high. Maybe higher.

arambone,


Quite impressive! It's easier to jump higher when you weigh less than all the rest of your peers. I know, because back when I was his age I could too because I was a collection of bones held together with wire and not much more. Maker's challenge, and that of whichever team drafts him, will be to put a lot of weight on his 216# body without losing too much of that lift. He weighed 225# at the Biosteel All-Canadian Game earlier this year. So, he actually LOST 9#.


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[arambone]

Bob, Kurt Rambis wants to use Porzingis as a SF at least part time next year. Maker is more athletic than Porzingis, with better ball handling and shooting off the dribble. I'm a bit disappointed that Maker came in so light, but it's not all bad.

The Celtics had some success using Jeff Green at the top of a zone defense. I could definitely see Brad and Danny seeing the unique value that Maker could have in a similar role. Then we'd also have a high flying 7'1" SF crashing the boards on offense and defense, while also sprinting up and down the floor every single time.


I don't know exactly where Maker is going to get drafted, but Draft Express and a lot of others are eating major crow right now. They started the false rumors that Maker was an average athlete with small hands, and both were proven false. Like I said, they just didn't do their homework, and were caught off guard when Maker was approved for entering this draft.

And the declarations that Maker is raw and not good at basketball are also laughably false, and will be proven so over the next 6 months.

I'd be thrilled with either Maker or Poeltl with our non-top two Nets pick, and even more thrilled if we ended up with both somehow.

And check out Dragan Bender's vertical leaping numbers, compared to the "average athlete" Maker.

[steve3344]

http://www.blazersedge.com/2016/5/14/11675274/nba-draft-thon-maker-portland-trail-blazers

[worcester]

"Maker—projected in the 25-40 range" --- that sounds like a good use of a non 1-2 Nets pick to me, given the Celts have so many picks later in the draft. That is don't use the Nets pick on him, use our 3rd or 4th pick..

[arambone]

He was projected in the 25-40 range by people who thought he was an average athlete.

If KG had been born in Sudan, and played high school ball an hour north of Toronto, he would have been called an average athlete and overrated, and years away from being NBA ready.


Whenever I hyped up Rudy Gobert before the 2013 draft, saying he could be special, everybody on nbadraft.net said he didn't do anything above average. He fell to 28th, and even that was higher than some "experts" projected him.

During that same draft, the "experts" on espn said Ben McLemore was the only player in the draft who had all star potential. And none of the "experts" on espn or anywhere else had Greek Freak in their top 10, or Gobert in their top 20.

A year later, Nikola Jokic didn't get drafted until the second round, right where the "experts" projected him.

The "experts" SUCK at projecting raw, foreign, defensive oriented players.

[worcester]

Interesting insight arambone. Any chance we could get Maker with our #16 pick?

[arambone]

Slim but real chance he's still there at 16.

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