Why Kris Dunn Avoiding Celtics Could Lead To Trades
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Why Kris Dunn Avoiding Celtics Could Lead To Trades
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Why Kris Dunn Avoiding Celtics Could Lead To Trades
by Pat Bradley
on Thu, May 19, 2016 at 7:49PM
Don’t expect Kris Dunn to be donning green anytime soon … at least not Celtics green.
The agents for Providence College guard Kris Dunn reportedly are attempting to push the Boston Celtics and Phoenix Suns away from selecting him in next month’s NBA draft, according to The Vertical’s Adrian Wojnarowski.
Dunn’s camp, per the report, has concern about the presence of an established point guard on both teams. The Suns feature a talented, young backcourt of Eric Bledsoe and Brandon Knight, while the Celtics have Isaiah Thomas, Marcus Smart, Terry Rozier and (potentially) Evan Turner regularly handling the ball.
Dunn is prepared to withhold medical records and refuse both workouts and interviews with both teams, Wojnarowski added.
Moving down in the draft from the potential third pick to the fifth or lower could have financial repercussions for Dunn.
Ben Rohrbach @brohrbach By not wanting to play for the Celtics or Suns, Kris Dunn would be giving up $5.4 million on his rookie deal from 3rd pick to 5th. 4:53 AM - 19 May 2016 3 3 Retweets 3 3 likes
As Wojnarowski points out, though, a team could trade up to select Dunn.
“People are gonna want to see those (medical reports) to make a decision on him,” Wojnarowski said, as transcribed by CelticsBlog. “And now his group is gonna maybe be able to control this process and get him to a place where a team is gonna trade up into No. 3 or 4 for him. (His agents) can’t stop them from drafting Dunn, but will those teams do it without his medical records, without a personal workout, without an interview with him?”
Boston likely would have to move one of those young guards if they want to add Dunn, but if they like him enough, a trade to accommodate the athletic prospect wouldn’t be surprising.
As CelticsBlog’s Kevin O’Connor notes, Dunn, who stands 6-foot-4 with a 6-foot-10 wingspan, has a similar defensive makeup to smart but is “significantly more advanced offensively,” and is a better shooter off the dribble than Rozier.
Because of those résumé boosters, Woj doesn’t think a trade is out of the realm of possibility.
“I think those picks will be in play and you’re gonna see teams further back in the draft want to (target Dunn and Dragan Bender),” Woj said. “You’re going to see a bidding process, I think, with Boston, Phoenix. I think there’s going to be a lot of deals in this draft and it’ll be a lot of fun.”
bob
MY NOTE: One of the most fun, and at times most exasperating, parts of having a GM nicknamed "Trader Danny" is that you just do not know what scenarios, opportunities, finagles and cons are running through his head at any given moment. He's the guy who traded Gary Payton to Atlanta, who waived him immediately, and then picked him back up once he came off of waivers. So, Danny got Payton back, got Antoine Walker back (that's who came to us in the Atlanta trade). We gave up Payton (momentarily), Googs and Michael Stewart and a 2006 1st round pick that got traded by Atlanta to Phoenix and Danny ended up getting back from them. That pick was Rajon Rondo. Googs and Stewart (a complete bust) for 'Toine and Rondo (Payton was gone only long enough to clear waivers), is how it all played out. They changed the CBA to prevent flimflams like that from happening again, but it was Danny who came up with that new wrinkle. Would Danny cut a deal where he drafts Kris Dunn for New Orleans @ #6, in exchange for their pick (let's say that's Murray or Hield, since Bender will drop to 4th and Phoenix, whom Dunn doesn't want to play for either) and next year's first rounder, so he still gets a player he wants plus another pick from a team that likely to be in the lottery again next year too? Oh Hell yeah he would, and laugh all the way to the bank.
What I just wrote above has nothing to do with the article above, which suggests that drafting Dunn would allow Trader Danny to trade Bradley or Smart (or Rozier) for a quality player and keep Dunn because one of those players would be gone and then there would be minutes for Dunn. I think that would still be a gamble, I'm not sure I agree with that premise but I do agree that Danny is working it to see if it has a pulse. If Woj thinks it could, then it probably does.
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Why Kris Dunn Avoiding Celtics Could Lead To Trades
by Pat Bradley
on Thu, May 19, 2016 at 7:49PM
Don’t expect Kris Dunn to be donning green anytime soon … at least not Celtics green.
The agents for Providence College guard Kris Dunn reportedly are attempting to push the Boston Celtics and Phoenix Suns away from selecting him in next month’s NBA draft, according to The Vertical’s Adrian Wojnarowski.
Dunn’s camp, per the report, has concern about the presence of an established point guard on both teams. The Suns feature a talented, young backcourt of Eric Bledsoe and Brandon Knight, while the Celtics have Isaiah Thomas, Marcus Smart, Terry Rozier and (potentially) Evan Turner regularly handling the ball.
Dunn is prepared to withhold medical records and refuse both workouts and interviews with both teams, Wojnarowski added.
Moving down in the draft from the potential third pick to the fifth or lower could have financial repercussions for Dunn.
Ben Rohrbach @brohrbach By not wanting to play for the Celtics or Suns, Kris Dunn would be giving up $5.4 million on his rookie deal from 3rd pick to 5th. 4:53 AM - 19 May 2016 3 3 Retweets 3 3 likes
As Wojnarowski points out, though, a team could trade up to select Dunn.
“People are gonna want to see those (medical reports) to make a decision on him,” Wojnarowski said, as transcribed by CelticsBlog. “And now his group is gonna maybe be able to control this process and get him to a place where a team is gonna trade up into No. 3 or 4 for him. (His agents) can’t stop them from drafting Dunn, but will those teams do it without his medical records, without a personal workout, without an interview with him?”
Boston likely would have to move one of those young guards if they want to add Dunn, but if they like him enough, a trade to accommodate the athletic prospect wouldn’t be surprising.
As CelticsBlog’s Kevin O’Connor notes, Dunn, who stands 6-foot-4 with a 6-foot-10 wingspan, has a similar defensive makeup to smart but is “significantly more advanced offensively,” and is a better shooter off the dribble than Rozier.
Because of those résumé boosters, Woj doesn’t think a trade is out of the realm of possibility.
“I think those picks will be in play and you’re gonna see teams further back in the draft want to (target Dunn and Dragan Bender),” Woj said. “You’re going to see a bidding process, I think, with Boston, Phoenix. I think there’s going to be a lot of deals in this draft and it’ll be a lot of fun.”
bob
MY NOTE: One of the most fun, and at times most exasperating, parts of having a GM nicknamed "Trader Danny" is that you just do not know what scenarios, opportunities, finagles and cons are running through his head at any given moment. He's the guy who traded Gary Payton to Atlanta, who waived him immediately, and then picked him back up once he came off of waivers. So, Danny got Payton back, got Antoine Walker back (that's who came to us in the Atlanta trade). We gave up Payton (momentarily), Googs and Michael Stewart and a 2006 1st round pick that got traded by Atlanta to Phoenix and Danny ended up getting back from them. That pick was Rajon Rondo. Googs and Stewart (a complete bust) for 'Toine and Rondo (Payton was gone only long enough to clear waivers), is how it all played out. They changed the CBA to prevent flimflams like that from happening again, but it was Danny who came up with that new wrinkle. Would Danny cut a deal where he drafts Kris Dunn for New Orleans @ #6, in exchange for their pick (let's say that's Murray or Hield, since Bender will drop to 4th and Phoenix, whom Dunn doesn't want to play for either) and next year's first rounder, so he still gets a player he wants plus another pick from a team that likely to be in the lottery again next year too? Oh Hell yeah he would, and laugh all the way to the bank.
What I just wrote above has nothing to do with the article above, which suggests that drafting Dunn would allow Trader Danny to trade Bradley or Smart (or Rozier) for a quality player and keep Dunn because one of those players would be gone and then there would be minutes for Dunn. I think that would still be a gamble, I'm not sure I agree with that premise but I do agree that Danny is working it to see if it has a pulse. If Woj thinks it could, then it probably does.
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Re: Why Kris Dunn Avoiding Celtics Could Lead To Trades
I find it difficult to believe that Dunn's people think that once one team in the NBA has his medical records that all the other teams will call that one team to at least get a thumbs up or thumbs down understanding of his records.
Do his agents really think that any team's GM is not going to speak to others about whatever is in Dunn's medical history if there is even one thing in them that presents a red flag?
From Dunn's perspective,however, I can see why he may not want to go to a place that already has a pretty stable guard situation, but his approach seems flawed.
Do his agents really think that any team's GM is not going to speak to others about whatever is in Dunn's medical history if there is even one thing in them that presents a red flag?
From Dunn's perspective,however, I can see why he may not want to go to a place that already has a pretty stable guard situation, but his approach seems flawed.
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Re: Why Kris Dunn Avoiding Celtics Could Lead To Trades
I wonder if there are any medical confidentiality issues.
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Re: Why Kris Dunn Avoiding Celtics Could Lead To Trades
Bob,
This should trigger the NBA to announce that if you throw your hat in the lotto ring and want to enter the NBA you must submit your medicals to the league which should be made available to all teams.
I think this is a major flaw that needs correcting, and if a player chooses not to, go play in Europe or China.....and don't let the plane door hit you in the ass while boarding......and may you forever be on a TSA line!
112288
This should trigger the NBA to announce that if you throw your hat in the lotto ring and want to enter the NBA you must submit your medicals to the league which should be made available to all teams.
I think this is a major flaw that needs correcting, and if a player chooses not to, go play in Europe or China.....and don't let the plane door hit you in the ass while boarding......and may you forever be on a TSA line!
112288
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Re: Why Kris Dunn Avoiding Celtics Could Lead To Trades
112288 wrote:Bob,
This should trigger the NBA to announce that if you throw your hat in the lotto ring and want to enter the NBA you must submit your medicals to the league which should be made available to all teams.
I think this is a major flaw that needs correcting, and if a player chooses not to, go play in Europe or China.....and don't let the plane door hit you in the ass while boarding......and may you forever be on a TSA line!
112288
112288,
I agree. I think there should be some rule like "all players who are drafted in the first round must submit to league-available physicals in order to qualify".
You want to be picked in the 1st round? You have to submit to a physical conducted by the league (which is what happens, in a limited manner, at the NBA Combine. That's where Sully's back issue became common knowledge and that player from Purdue that had to retire because of his health got the bad news. I'd have those cursory physicals expanded to full physicals. Knowing the long-term strength of a player's knees is more important knowing their body fat %) and that physical is distributed to all 30 franchises. If the teams want to do their own physical too, that is up to the player if/when they go to workout for those teams.
Under my rules, if Kris Dunn doesn't submit to a physical, by the league, he cannot be drafted in the first round. Period. He doesn't have to work out at the Combine, He doesn't have to workout for the Celtics because he doesn't want to come here, but he does have to get a physical or the highest he can be drafted is #31.
I'll bet that puts the spurs into them.
bob
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