Ray Allen talking about a comeback with the Celtics.

http://cbsprt.co/2aXqShL

No.

No way is right, fockin traitor

No no no no no no no no no no. A thousand times no.

Agree,he is a traitor.

I don't care about him jumping ship as a FA, but he's what 40YO?

no thanks, maybe he can play with DWade again or the King.

Who?

I'd rather we bring back mark blunt first..

Amusing to say the least.

I think he's overestimating his abilities to endure an entire season plus playoffs.


KJ

Ray Allen was a physical freak for all the years he played in the NBA, and he never really had a huge injury that would make anyone think that he is "damaged goods" even now at 40.

I bet that he can still shoot like crazy and will be able to fill a limited role with whichever team he ends up signing with.

As far as being a traitor, have any members of our board ever changed jobs or has everyone been working for exactly the same company that first employed you over 20 years ago?

Wideclyde,

You will not be able to change anyone's opinion in regards to "he who must not be named".  You will have a better chance to get Cow to change his opinion about the Perk-Green trade (LOL).

As far as me and my changing jobs, I have not left a company on my own accord since 1986.  I have a self-imposed rule that I will not dismount a healthy horse and ride another horse unless the one I am currently riding bucks me off.  (FYI: Horse = Job).  Yeah, I grew up in the Great American Western Era, so my analogies grew up to be cowboys.

Of course, 9-5 jobs and NBA jobs have nothing, absolutely nothing, in common with each other.   That usually goes without saying, but you made it part of your reasons that you would take Peter Pettigrew's master back, so I had to say it.

gyso

I think that the big test, for those down on Allen, would be for those Celtic fans to hiss and boo another quality free agent that jumped ship from another contending team to join the Celtics.

 swish

wideclyde wrote:Ray Allen was a physical freak for all the years he played in the NBA, and he never really had a huge injury that would make anyone think that he is "damaged goods" even now at 40.

I bet that he can still shoot like crazy and will be able to fill a limited role with whichever team he ends up signing with.

As far as being a traitor, have any members of our board ever changed jobs or has everyone been working for exactly the same company that first employed you over 20 years ago?

You need to ask how many of us changed jobs by taking less money to join a direct competitor or how many of us participated in industrial espionage if you want to make a legit comparison to what Ray did.

Good thing we didn't get Durant. The chorus of boo's would have taken all of the enjoyment out of watching the Celts making a serious run at a ring.

swish

gyso,

I am not saying that Ray Allen should have a place on the Cs roster. In fact, I would not want him back in Boston with the roster that we currently have and the philosophical direction (pressure defense and fast break stuff) that Coach Stevens has for our team because although he may be able to still shoot the ball, he was not even a good defender during his heyday in Boston.

He needs to go to a place where he can be a part of some late game offensive heroics to help a team try to win a championship. On such a team he can get by with being the 10th - 12th man on a roster until the late game clutch shooting situation is at hand.

The Celtics are probably not yet ready to become a championship team before the 2018 season so one year of Ray Allen is not worth giving him a roster space and enough playing time to keep him happy.
As was mentioned in the piece that we are all commenting on, Cleveland or San Antonio come to mind as places who can carry Allen until crunch time.

I am glad that you have been happy at your job for 30 years, but my point of not staying in the same job for a long time is more commonplace than the lucky guys like you who have been able to stay in one place for such a long time. I wish that I could have been as lucky as you, but I had to move to a new job nine different times in my 31 years of school teaching (for various reasons).

Hell no.

The Celtics do not need Ray Allen and the roster is already bursting at the seams. Not only that he left to go play with Miami.

He must be nuts if he thinks he can come back now.

It was all about him..

dboss

Wasted roster spot on a rebuilding team.

swish

I don't know if Ray Allen can still play at a high level in the NBA, and that's a big if, but if so, yes I would sign him at the vet minimum. Heresy you may say, but it would show the rest of the NBA that the Celtics are a very classy team, one beyond resentment, and would put us in good stead with all other NBA players, some of whom may be free agents we'd like to sign in 2017-18. Also, he could be a tremendous role model to our younger players with his fitness and practice regimen.

I don't know if Ray Allen can still play at a high level in the NBA, and that's a big if, but if so, yes I would sign him at the vet minimum. Heresy you may say, but it would show the rest of the NBA that the Celtics are a very classy team, one beyond resentment, and would put us in good stead with all other NBA players, some of whom may be free agents we'd like to sign in 2017-18. Also, he could be a tremendous role model to our younger players with his fitness and practice regimen.

As most of you who have been here from "the day" they traded for Ray Allen know, I was a huge fan of his. I followed him in college and all through his career, telling whoever would listen when Ray played against the Celtics that Ray would look great in green. When he got here I was thrilled, and continued for five years to be his biggest supporter here on the forum. If Sam were here, he would attest to that. How disappointed I was when he left? HUGE! I knew he was unhappy with Danny trying to trade him, but I just did not think he would leave. But...he did and after that he was a distant memory.

My biggest problem with him is, even though HE decided to leave on his own, he could not stop taking shots at the Celtics every time he was interviewed. I finally came to the conclusion that he left but he really was not happy. So he got another ring, good for him. I want no part of him now. Two years is a long time to be away from the game, I know he is probably in phenomenal condition, but he would be taking the seat at the end of bench from a young player who could be part of the future (no, not James Young's seat, he will be gone by the start of the season).

Ray has had his day in Boston, he does not belong here. I doubt the Clippers would take him on, they already have one old player who can't say goodbye to the game. The Spurs? Do they really want to waste that seat? I doubt it. My opinion is a sad realization that there are three players, once Celtic champs, who cannot say goodbye to the game. I find this very sad for all of them. Certainly none of them need the money.

There's better things the Celtics can do with that roster spot, in my opinion.



KJ

wideclyde wrote:gyso,

I am not saying that Ray Allen should have a place on the Cs roster.  In fact, I would not want him back in Boston with the roster that we currently have and the philosophical direction (pressure defense and fast break stuff) that Coach Stevens has for our team because although he may be able to still shoot the ball, he was not even a good defender during his heyday in Boston.

He needs to go to a place where he can be a part of some late game offensive heroics to help a team try to win a championship. On such a team he can get by with being the 10th - 12th man on a roster until the late game clutch shooting situation is at hand.

The Celtics are probably not yet ready to become a championship team before the 2018 season so one year of Ray Allen is not worth giving him a roster space and enough playing time to keep him happy.
As was mentioned in the piece that we are all commenting on, Cleveland or San Antonio come to mind as places who can carry Allen until crunch time.

I am glad that you have been happy at your job for 30 years, but my point of not staying in the same job for a long time is more commonplace than the lucky guys like you who have been able to stay in one place for such a long time. I wish that I could have been as lucky as you, but I had to move to a new job nine different times in my 31 years of school teaching (for various reasons).

True that.

I'm a teacher who has had to move 4 times in 9 years. Watch the social studies program whose curriculum I helped build be cut in half. Teach literacy to kids arriving 3-4 grades below grade level. It is a great profession but can also be a horrible one at times when you live in a country whose government does not care about the quality of public education.

Wideclyde,

I never said I stayed at the same job for 30 years, I said, " . . . I have not left a company on my own accord since 1986".

My first job lasted 8 months before I was layed off. I had moved over 100 miles to land that one. My next job came after a 4 months period of unemployment. That position was 124 miles away from home (south), I stayed there during the week in a friend's spare bedroom and went home on the weekends. That one lasted 12 months before I was layed off again. BTW, both of those layoffs happened exactly one year apart, on October 14th.

My next job was a 6 month contract temporary position 50 miles from home (south). It actually lasted ten years. During that time, the company went through two rounds of early retirement and two rounds of layoffs, neither of those affected my contract position. In those ten years, the company had three name changes and eventually, the division (corporate engineering) was eliminated.

That time I was prepared and I had a job lined up. This one was again 124 miles from home (south), but I was allowed to work from home four days and drive into the office one day each week. That position lasted 13 years, but involved three company buyouts, five buildings and two layoffs. This time, the word "layoff" was replaced with "furlough" but the meaning stayed the same. The second furlough was permanent.

I was then able to latch onto another company, this one was 60 miles north, mostly through the wilderness of Maine. That route was not drivable during the winter, so the alternate route was 117 miles (each way). Luckily, I was allowed to telecommute to that one. Then . . . the company was bought out five months later. I survived the buyout, but was again furloughed five months later. I survived the furlough by reaching out to prior co-workers and landing a temporary position in upstate NY (near Beat and Son). I had to stay in NY two out every three weeks.

I started to see a pattern . . . (LOL) Time to get out of Dodge.

While I was working in upstate NY, we decided to move where most of our grown-up kids had settled, which was 1100 miles south to Charlotte, NC. I still worked in NY for two weeks, drove home to Maine for one week to get the house ready to sell, drove down to Charlotte to see my wife and then drove back to upstate NY. Repeat.

For the next 3-4 months, that was my life. We somehow found a house to rent. I drove a 26' moving truck south and flew home to get my car once, but then towed a U-Haul trailer south with the next load. That is when I started to drive the dreaded triangle. NC to NY (12 hours, on a Sunday), two weeks in NY then NY to ME (9 hours on a Saturday) and then one week in Maine, then ME to NC (20 hours with a night at a hotel halfway there, Sunday and Monday). After a week in NC it was back to NY.

The NY temporary position lasted until a couple weeks before Thanksgiving. Now I was totally out of work, which lasted until the end of that year. Luckily, we got an offer on our house in Maine, so I flew up one last time to load another 26' moving truck and I was there for the closing on December 10th.

I still work for the company in Maine. We also have an office in Cary NC (two hours away, which I sometimes go to) and another office in Hot Springs AK. We bought a house and have been in it for almost one year. I never thought that I would say this, but I am so glad to be living away from the cold and snow.

So there you have it, 30 years of multiple jobs, none of which I left by my own accord. I was never fired, just layed off or furloughed multiple times. Happy at my job for 30 years? Not so much and not so lucky.

gyso

worcester wrote:I don't know if Ray Allen can still play at a high level in the NBA, and that's a big if, but if so, yes I would sign him at the vet minimum. Heresy you may say, but it would show the rest of the NBA that the Celtics are a very classy team, one beyond resentment,  and would put us in good stead with all other NBA players, some of whom may be free agents we'd like to sign in 2017-18. Also, he could be a tremendous role model to our younger players with his fitness and practice regimen.

Would anyone argue that the player at the end of the bench or the penultimate player sitting next to him rarely play? Would anyone really believe that Hunter/Young/Holland et all can have the same affect on outcome in a tight game as can RA? Would anyone truly believe that everyone currently signed is an all-star in the making other than IT (Twice? Maybe not)? Pretty much everyone on the team is trade bait and therefore dispensable. Adding RA does nothing to delay the development of a "star" but instead provides much needed shooting and veteran stability. I don't necessarily think that he'd start off as a rotational player but might play himself into one. No one, including John Havlicek, has ever been on the kind of physical condition that RA is. Robert Horry added to a number of different championship teams, so I see no reason why RA, a better person and more dependable (not to annoy his teammates as Horry did), could not.

To address his leaving: he was indeed treated badly by Ainge, who let it be known to reporters that he would be amenable to trading RA without first talking to Ray. Then there was the Rondo issue. Only rarely did Rondo deliver the ball at the right place at the right time to maximize Allen's shooting. I was frustrated by that, so I can well imagine how RA felt. It's ironic that so many wanted to ship out Rondo at first light, saying that he was a cancer on the team, but when Allen expressed a similar sentiment, he was oh so divisive. He left because he wanted to play for a team that appreciated him, which apparently the Celtics did not. I was hurt and but not surprised when he opted to go to Miami, but the more I thought about it and applied a little empathy, I could understand and support his move. If he is willing to come back it shows that he won't let the past be his future with the team. The question is, could Ainge (Probably not!). For a year? Hell yes.

Hey painter33

I have to take an opposing point of view.

Adding a veteran like Allen would  make sense if we are heading to the championship this year.  But that is probably not going to happen.   So why waste a roster spot?  There are already enough players competing for the 15th roster spot.  I do not see Allen being part of that.  Also, I know he always kept himself in great shape but he has not played for 2 years and just turned 41 years old in July.  

I do not think he was treated badly by the Celtics and in particular Danny Ainge.  Everybody knows that Danny has stated many many times that any player could be traded.  I think you may be over looking some facts.  Allen was upset that Doc put him on the bench in favor of Avery Bradley.  Secondly Ainge treated him well enough to offer Ray more money than he got from the Heat.  I wish someone would treat me badly by giving me more CASH.  The last point I will make concerns your comments that Rondo did not do a good job getting Ray Allen the ball at the right time and at the right place.  Rondo was a great distributor of the ball and the big 3 each got their share.  

dboss