Kings Could Be 'Starting To Get Sick Of DeMarcus Cousins'
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Kings Could Be 'Starting To Get Sick Of DeMarcus Cousins'
Kings Could Be 'Starting To Get Sick Of DeMarcus Cousins'
NOV 23, 2016 12:25 PM
DeMarcus Cousins will be a free agent in 2018 and the Sacramento Kings still don't look like a probable playoff team. The Kings have two more trade deadlines and an offseason to consider trading Cousins.
Cousins is averaging 26.9 points, 9.6 rebounds and 3.5 assists with a PER of 27.3 this season.
The relationship between Cousins and the Kings' management has been at times tumultuous.
"I've had a couple of guys from other teams tell me they're starting to hear the Kings are starting to get sick of Cousins," said Lowe. "No one knows who's making the decisions from the ownership level, not who's making the decisions, but there's just so many voices among ownership. They have a million minority owners. Vlade (Divac) and Ken Catanella; there's just a lot of voices and no one knows who quite to listen to."
ZACH LOWE/ESPN
bob
MY NOTE: Danny is big-game hunting, and Boogie is one of the biggest that is likely to become available in the foreseeable future. You know, you just know, Danny will be on the phone about this. It's who he is, like DNA. If this article is correct, and there is significant communication noise at Kings Central, then maybe nothing will happen for a while until they sort themselves out. Each day that goes by brings them closer to the trade deadline and they start losing leverage and, if they don't pull the trigger this year, they get MUCH weaker the next year as Boogie is in his last contract year and GMs might just think they can wait until he the summer and they can sell him on coming to them without having to give up assets to get him.
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NOV 23, 2016 12:25 PM
DeMarcus Cousins will be a free agent in 2018 and the Sacramento Kings still don't look like a probable playoff team. The Kings have two more trade deadlines and an offseason to consider trading Cousins.
Cousins is averaging 26.9 points, 9.6 rebounds and 3.5 assists with a PER of 27.3 this season.
The relationship between Cousins and the Kings' management has been at times tumultuous.
"I've had a couple of guys from other teams tell me they're starting to hear the Kings are starting to get sick of Cousins," said Lowe. "No one knows who's making the decisions from the ownership level, not who's making the decisions, but there's just so many voices among ownership. They have a million minority owners. Vlade (Divac) and Ken Catanella; there's just a lot of voices and no one knows who quite to listen to."
ZACH LOWE/ESPN
bob
MY NOTE: Danny is big-game hunting, and Boogie is one of the biggest that is likely to become available in the foreseeable future. You know, you just know, Danny will be on the phone about this. It's who he is, like DNA. If this article is correct, and there is significant communication noise at Kings Central, then maybe nothing will happen for a while until they sort themselves out. Each day that goes by brings them closer to the trade deadline and they start losing leverage and, if they don't pull the trigger this year, they get MUCH weaker the next year as Boogie is in his last contract year and GMs might just think they can wait until he the summer and they can sell him on coming to them without having to give up assets to get him.
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I'll bet that Cousins is as sick of the Kings as they may be of him.
They have done absolutely nothing to make Cousins' time in Sacremento even close to enjoyable.
Numerous coaching changes, no real apparent plan to improve the team from year to year, fully expecting him to be the face of the franchise the second he arrived from Kentucky, etc, etc have led to losing in every one of Cousins' years there. I really cannot think that Cousins has not noted the continuous mess that has surrounded his time as a member of the Kings.
Can anyone really blame this guy for hating to lose every single year?
Sacremento needs to get something done with this guy or else they will end up losing him for nothing following the 2018 season when he leaves as a free agent. They also need to blow up their front office, get a plan for a serious re-build and get some young pieces while they still can.
They have done absolutely nothing to make Cousins' time in Sacremento even close to enjoyable.
Numerous coaching changes, no real apparent plan to improve the team from year to year, fully expecting him to be the face of the franchise the second he arrived from Kentucky, etc, etc have led to losing in every one of Cousins' years there. I really cannot think that Cousins has not noted the continuous mess that has surrounded his time as a member of the Kings.
Can anyone really blame this guy for hating to lose every single year?
Sacremento needs to get something done with this guy or else they will end up losing him for nothing following the 2018 season when he leaves as a free agent. They also need to blow up their front office, get a plan for a serious re-build and get some young pieces while they still can.
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I'm not sold that Cousins and Horford can play together, sorry.
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wideclyde wrote:I'll bet that Cousins is as sick of the Kings as they may be of him.
They have done absolutely nothing to make Cousins' time in Sacremento even close to enjoyable.
Numerous coaching changes, no real apparent plan to improve the team from year to year, fully expecting him to be the face of the franchise the second he arrived from Kentucky, etc, etc have led to losing in every one of Cousins' years there. I really cannot think that Cousins has not noted the continuous mess that has surrounded his time as a member of the Kings.
Can anyone really blame this guy for hating to lose every single year?
Sacremento needs to get something done with this guy or else they will end up losing him for nothing following the 2018 season when he leaves as a free agent. They also need to blow up their front office, get a plan for a serious re-build and get some young pieces while they still can.
Totally agree
Never had the so called attitude in College. Whatever players we have to surround him would adapt but half to believe winning regularly with a stable coach and front office would do wonders for him. When and if he becomes available I'd go after him.
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We have Horford. We do not need Cousins. Offense runs through Horford. We need a solid rebounder and defender in the frontcourt. And another scorer off the bench who may already be on the team.
I say no to Cousins even a bigger no now that Al is on the team.
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I say no to Cousins even a bigger no now that Al is on the team.
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DBoss,
If one believes that the Cs actually do need another top level player to hurry along the challenge for banner #18, this guy is just what they need. I am sure that Horford and the rest of the players would take good care of this guy upon his landing at Logan Airport.
He scores (20+), rebounds (10+), passes, can shoot (and make) 3s, shoots free throws well (75%?), and even defends as good as most centers in the league who are not known as only "defensive specialists" such as Noel in Philly. He is on hismid 20s, has never been seriously injured, been a very good player for several years on a terrible team and is just now entering his prime years. He is also signed through 2018 at a salary that is only a little bit more than Amir Johnson makes. He will, then, become a max level player in 2019. He has been an All Star and fared very well for our Olympic team just this past summer.
The Nets pick is the best thing that the Kings could want from the Cs and I would give one of them for either year that they want, salaries to match Cousins ( Johnson? Olynyk?, Mickey etc, etc and Rozier (although I do like him a lot) and another first rounder that is not the other Nets pick. Also, throw in as many second round picks as they ask for, and even expand the trade to take back a bad, short term contact if necessary.
Yes, he is not a dead-eye shooting wing type of player, but I believe that wing players who can shoot are far more easily found than four skill centers. I am sure that if this guy were a free agent by 1 PM today that Ainge would be on the phone at a nano second past 1.
If one believes that the Cs actually do need another top level player to hurry along the challenge for banner #18, this guy is just what they need. I am sure that Horford and the rest of the players would take good care of this guy upon his landing at Logan Airport.
He scores (20+), rebounds (10+), passes, can shoot (and make) 3s, shoots free throws well (75%?), and even defends as good as most centers in the league who are not known as only "defensive specialists" such as Noel in Philly. He is on hismid 20s, has never been seriously injured, been a very good player for several years on a terrible team and is just now entering his prime years. He is also signed through 2018 at a salary that is only a little bit more than Amir Johnson makes. He will, then, become a max level player in 2019. He has been an All Star and fared very well for our Olympic team just this past summer.
The Nets pick is the best thing that the Kings could want from the Cs and I would give one of them for either year that they want, salaries to match Cousins ( Johnson? Olynyk?, Mickey etc, etc and Rozier (although I do like him a lot) and another first rounder that is not the other Nets pick. Also, throw in as many second round picks as they ask for, and even expand the trade to take back a bad, short term contact if necessary.
Yes, he is not a dead-eye shooting wing type of player, but I believe that wing players who can shoot are far more easily found than four skill centers. I am sure that if this guy were a free agent by 1 PM today that Ainge would be on the phone at a nano second past 1.
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wideclyde wrote:DBoss,
If one believes that the Cs actually do need another top level player to hurry along the challenge for banner #18, this guy is just what they need. I am sure that Horford and the rest of the players would take good care of this guy upon his landing at Logan Airport.
He scores (20+), rebounds (10+), passes, can shoot (and make) 3s, shoots free throws well (75%?), and even defends as good as most centers in the league who are not known as only "defensive specialists" such as Noel in Philly. He is on hismid 20s, has never been seriously injured, been a very good player for several years on a terrible team and is just now entering his prime years. He is also signed through 2018 at a salary that is only a little bit more than Amir Johnson makes. He will, then, become a max level player in 2019. He has been an All Star and fared very well for our Olympic team just this past summer.
The Nets pick is the best thing that the Kings could want from the Cs and I would give one of them for either year that they want, salaries to match Cousins ( Johnson? Olynyk?, Mickey etc, etc and Rozier (although I do like him a lot) and another first rounder that is not the other Nets pick. Also, throw in as many second round picks as they ask for, and even expand the trade to take back a bad, short term contact if necessary.
Yes, he is not a dead-eye shooting wing type of player, but I believe that wing players who can shoot are far more easily found than four skill centers. I am sure that if this guy were a free agent by 1 PM today that Ainge would be on the phone at a nano second past 1.
Wide
Guy is in his 7th NBA season this year and he is now on his 6th head coach....nice stability by the front office. He has yet to get even a sniff of a playoff series and only once in his Pro career has his team eclipsed the 30 win mark and that was last season and they still fired the coach (Geo Karl) He has missed quite a few games but no serious injuries of note. He's been a 20-10 guy as you note.
I could only imagine a line up of him, Horford, Crowder, Bradley, and IT. And with at least some of our current bench. We can dream can't we?
For a kid to come out of a winning school like Kentucky and basically loose 2 out of every 3 games he's played as a pro it has to wear on you especially when you see all those changes...........and the same result.
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Re: Kings Could Be 'Starting To Get Sick Of DeMarcus Cousins'
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@MichaelVPina about 14 minutes ago
1 out of every 5 of DeMarcus Cousins' shots is a three pointer. He's made over 40% of them. What a ridiculously good offensive player.
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MY NOTE: He is actually shooting almost 41% from 3. He is also shooting 49% from 2, 9.9 rebs and 77% from the line. He also has the best Real Plus/Minus (team scoring better/worse than team average when he is on the court - team giving up points better/worse than the team average when he is on the court. In other words, if the Kings score 4.18 more points when he is on the court and give up .49 fewer points when he is on the court too, then his Net Real Plus/Minus is 4.67, which it is). The next closest center is Rudy Gobert, at a +2.94, a distant second from 4.67.
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@MichaelVPina about 14 minutes ago
1 out of every 5 of DeMarcus Cousins' shots is a three pointer. He's made over 40% of them. What a ridiculously good offensive player.
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MY NOTE: He is actually shooting almost 41% from 3. He is also shooting 49% from 2, 9.9 rebs and 77% from the line. He also has the best Real Plus/Minus (team scoring better/worse than team average when he is on the court - team giving up points better/worse than the team average when he is on the court. In other words, if the Kings score 4.18 more points when he is on the court and give up .49 fewer points when he is on the court too, then his Net Real Plus/Minus is 4.67, which it is). The next closest center is Rudy Gobert, at a +2.94, a distant second from 4.67.
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In a NY minute I would trade a Nets pick plus Kelly and ... for DeMarcus. His biggest personality problem is he can't stand losing. Winning would change his attitude.
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The Kings are in their 10th consecutive year of sub .500 ball - and the speculation is that they will trade Cousins. Wouldn't that be sort of on the dumb side ? Right now they are in the throes of a 10 year remake and they could be on the verge of trading by far their best player for what would probably be high draft picks. Just what they need - younger and even less talented team to ensure at least another 3 years of mediocrity. There next move should be a completely new ownership and management team - but hopefully they will continue to self destruct and the Celtics will be their trading partner.
Note: Starting with the most recent draft the kings have drafted - all in the 1st round,,,,,8-6-8-7-5-7-5-4-12-10 and still couldn't get to .500 ball
swish
Note: Starting with the most recent draft the kings have drafted - all in the 1st round,,,,,8-6-8-7-5-7-5-4-12-10 and still couldn't get to .500 ball
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Just say no.
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40 minutes, 36 points, 16-34, 1-6 from 3 (he's shooting 41% on the year) which means he shot 15-28 from 2, 20 rebounds, 2 steals. Where he fell down was 3-10 from the line, but he is a career 73% frito shooter. Other than that, he carried the team. Rudy Gay had 18 on 7-16 and Ty Lawson came off the bench for 12 points on 5-9. That's it for double-digit scorers for the Kings. 10 players played for the Kings and the remaining 7 were a combined 10-34. The team shot a combined 14% from 3.
You could look at Boogie's 34 fgas, out of a total 93 for the team, and think "he's a ball hog", but he was shooting a great % and the rest of the team wasn't helping take the load off him. Bottom line, they took Washington to OT and, if Boogie had shot his usual ft%, they would have won in regulation.
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You could look at Boogie's 34 fgas, out of a total 93 for the team, and think "he's a ball hog", but he was shooting a great % and the rest of the team wasn't helping take the load off him. Bottom line, they took Washington to OT and, if Boogie had shot his usual ft%, they would have won in regulation.
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That would be an intersting mix with Horford and Cousin's. If you move Horford out to power forward it could work as I always thought Horford was more of a 4 then a 5.
But to give a kings ransom - forgive the pun - for Cousin's with just 2 years left on his contract would be foolish.
We have time and assets..................our foreign pick could become the answer to our center problem next year. Let us not blink...stay the course.
112288
But to give a kings ransom - forgive the pun - for Cousin's with just 2 years left on his contract would be foolish.
We have time and assets..................our foreign pick could become the answer to our center problem next year. Let us not blink...stay the course.
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Getting a big man with the scoring and rebounding numbers that Cousins brings to the table via the draft is very difficult to do - especially when you take into consideration the number of years it takes for these youthful draftees to mature into big time scorers and re-bounders.
Below are the names of the only 6 players, in the last 36 years, to score at least 22 points and collect at least 11 rebounds (based on 36 minutes) in at least one of his first five years in the league. As you can see, youthful 19 and 20 year old bigs take quite a while to become super star material. So do you want to buck the odds and go with the draft - or take a shot at Cousins should he become available?
http://bkref.com/tiny/UEVZ
Note: Only Shaq had better scoring than Cousins and none were better in rebounding.
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Below are the names of the only 6 players, in the last 36 years, to score at least 22 points and collect at least 11 rebounds (based on 36 minutes) in at least one of his first five years in the league. As you can see, youthful 19 and 20 year old bigs take quite a while to become super star material. So do you want to buck the odds and go with the draft - or take a shot at Cousins should he become available?
http://bkref.com/tiny/UEVZ
Note: Only Shaq had better scoring than Cousins and none were better in rebounding.
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That's pretty elite company DeMarcus is keeping. 112288 does have a valid concern. Can we keep him after 20 more months? If there's a way to create more certainty there, I say yes. Go for it, even though I have high hopes for Zizic. No harm having two actual centers on the team.
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My above post was to show that an opportunity to solve multiple problems with one acquisition - an all nba - high scorer and rebounder could be available if the Kings decide to trade him. But Danny has the chips to go other routes which could also make the Celts a contender in the near future.
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I can wait until he is a free agent and then try to sign him. I certainly do not want to trade our current and future teams in order to get an "all nba player". Ask the Knicks how that turned out for them when they acquired Carmelo.
I agree with 112288, "Let us not blink...stay the course". Cousins is close to the end of his current contract with no guarantee that he will resign long term, I can wait.
gyso
I agree with 112288, "Let us not blink...stay the course". Cousins is close to the end of his current contract with no guarantee that he will resign long term, I can wait.
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gyso wrote:I can wait until he is a free agent and then try to sign him. I certainly do not want to trade our current and future teams in order to get an "all nba player". Ask the Knicks how that turned out for them when they acquired Carmelo.
I agree with 112288, "Let us not blink...stay the course". Cousins is close to the end of his current contract with no guarantee that he will resign long term, I can wait.
gyso
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How about an extension like Garnett agreed to in 2007.
"The Boston Herald reported on its Web site Tuesday that Garnett has agreed to a THREE YEAR EXTENTION with the Celtics, in addition to the two years left on contract, which would keep him in Boston through the 2011-12 season. The Herald also reported that Garnett is expected to arrive in Boston later Tuesday for a physical."
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I agree with 112288. We can, and should, wait. Can we wait until he is a free agent, like gyso is suggesting? I don't think so. I think the Kings will trade him, and his Bird Rights and what that means to the acquiring team, before then to ensure they get something out of it and don't just lose him to free agency and end up with bupkiss.
The absolute "drop-dead date" for the Kings is the trade deadline in 2018. After that they have no control, just hope and history. After all these years of no playoff games that is not a history I'd want to bank on.
If they haven't signed him to an extension by the 2018 trade deadline EVERYBODY will know he is not fully committed to them. That may not necessarily be true, they might have an agreement in principle to sign after the season is over, but the tension ratchets up significantly as GMs start hounding his agent to give them a shot.
I don't think Boogie will be in Kings purple and white for another year-and-a-half.
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The absolute "drop-dead date" for the Kings is the trade deadline in 2018. After that they have no control, just hope and history. After all these years of no playoff games that is not a history I'd want to bank on.
If they haven't signed him to an extension by the 2018 trade deadline EVERYBODY will know he is not fully committed to them. That may not necessarily be true, they might have an agreement in principle to sign after the season is over, but the tension ratchets up significantly as GMs start hounding his agent to give them a shot.
I don't think Boogie will be in Kings purple and white for another year-and-a-half.
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The Kings will want a King's ransom for Cousins.
If Boston was in the mix, which I hope they are not, it is very likely that 1-2 starters along with the Brooklyn picks would be on the table.
This a a very talented draft however there is no center in the spotlight therefore if Boston decides to make a move they should trade the Nets pick this year but keep next year's pick.
Then once the team has been gutted we can become the Sacramento kings and start all over again with the rebuild. Just add another 5 years to the big picture.
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If Boston was in the mix, which I hope they are not, it is very likely that 1-2 starters along with the Brooklyn picks would be on the table.
This a a very talented draft however there is no center in the spotlight therefore if Boston decides to make a move they should trade the Nets pick this year but keep next year's pick.
Then once the team has been gutted we can become the Sacramento kings and start all over again with the rebuild. Just add another 5 years to the big picture.
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