Home
Register
Log inDo Charlotte Hornets regret passing on Boston Celtics’ trade offer in 2015?
+2
gyso
bobheckler
6 posters
Page 1 of 1
Do Charlotte Hornets regret passing on Boston Celtics’ trade offer in 2015?
by bobheckler Sun Jul 30, 2017 8:41 am
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nba/charlotte-hornets/article164353652.html
Boston Celtics President of Basketball Operations Danny Ainge reportedly offered the Charlotte Hornets a package of draft picks for the ninth pick in the 2015 draft. The Hornets passed, instead selecting Wisconsin big man Frank Kaminsky. Charles Krupa AP
Do Charlotte Hornets regret passing on Boston Celtics’ trade offer in 2015?
BY RICK BONNELL
rbonnell@charlotteobserver.com
JULY 29, 2017 1:54 PM
There is still curiosity among some Charlotte Hornets fans over what happened between this team’s front office and the Boston Celtics on draft night 2015.
Celtics president of basketball operations Danny Ainge was looking to trade into the top nine, presumably to draft Duke’s Justise Winslow before the Miami Heat did at No. 10.
Ainge failed to convince the Hornets, or any team earlier in the draft order, to accept the package of picks he was offering that night. He discussed that with New England media after the draft, without saying just what he actually offered.
That was one of this week’s reader questions in the Hornets mailbag:
Q. Any insight on whether there is regret over the Hornets not taking the Celtics’ offer on 2015 draft night?
A. You are referring to the Hornets’ decision to select Frank Kaminsky ninth overall, rather than accept a trade offer from the Celtics.
To my knowledge, no one has reported precisely what Ainge offered. When I asked a source back then to explain all this, I received this analogy: That the Celtics wanted the Hornets’ dollar and were offering multiple coins in return; at the time, there was no way to determine whether those coins (future picks) would end up pennies, nickels, quarters or half dollars.
Trading down is typically a better strategy in the NFL than in the NBA. The talent can reduce quickly after the top 10 or so picks in an NBA draft. Trading, say, the seventh pick in the NBA for two picks in the 20s usually isn’t a good idea. In the NFL it might be, because there are so many more positions to fill.
Q. Any chance Kaminsky moves into a starting role this season?
A. There’s always a chance, but I’d be surprised if Kaminsky starts ahead of Marvin Williams at power forward. Williams is the superior defender and has dramatically more experience (861 NBA games versus Kaminsky’s 156).
Also, Williams doesn’t need the ball as much as Kaminsky does to be effective, so he fits with a starting group where guards Kemba Walker and Nic Batum dominate the ball and new center Dwight Howard will want his touches.
Williams wasn’t as good last season as the previous one, which was a contract year. But Williams is so solid, particularly keeping the defense organized.
Q. Will Howard set aside his ego and focus more on defense and protecting the rim? Do you think (coach Steve) Clifford can convince him of that?
A. Clifford’s previous relationship with Howard will help. Clifford was an assistant with the Orlando Magic and Los Angeles Lakers when Howard played for those teams. Howard says the two know how to be frank with each other constructively.
If you follow Howard on Twitter -- @DwightHoward – you’ll notice he’s motivated by critics, and he should be after being traded to Charlotte for so little, particularly Miles Plumlee’s awful contract.
Q. Do you think it’s time for a more offensive-minded coach (than Clifford) with the direction the league is going?
A. I definitely don’t. Last season’s team generated nearly 105 points per game, enough to win. They took a step back defensively, particularly in late-game situations. The bench was lousy and hopefully that was addressed by adding Howard (moving Cody Zeller to the second unit), rookies Malik Monk and Dwayne Bacon and point guard Michael Carter-Williams.
The jury is out on Carter-Williams, a former rookie of the year, but I believe his length will be really handy on defense. Howard gives them a rim protector they have lacked.
Q. Do you think (general manager Rich) Cho is seriously through trading?
A. I never assume the Hornets are through trading. It’s been their most successful roster-building tool back to Bernie Bickerstaff as coach-general manager with the NBA’s return to Charlotte in 2004.
The Hornets are close to the luxury-tax threshold and I don’t see them crossing that line. Player-for-player trades (of comparable salaries) is one avenue they still can explore.
Q. Is Kyrie Irving that much better than Kemba that he’d be worth giving up Kemba plus other assets?
A. Irving wants a trade out of Cleveland, but I doubt he’d be happier in Charlotte. Irving is better than Walker, but I don’t think substituting Irving for Walker would catapult the Hornets toward the Eastern Conference Finals.
Every time I think about Irving wanting to leave a team with LeBron James, it’s a "be careful what you wish for" moment.
bob
.
Boston Celtics President of Basketball Operations Danny Ainge reportedly offered the Charlotte Hornets a package of draft picks for the ninth pick in the 2015 draft. The Hornets passed, instead selecting Wisconsin big man Frank Kaminsky. Charles Krupa AP
Do Charlotte Hornets regret passing on Boston Celtics’ trade offer in 2015?
BY RICK BONNELL
rbonnell@charlotteobserver.com
JULY 29, 2017 1:54 PM
There is still curiosity among some Charlotte Hornets fans over what happened between this team’s front office and the Boston Celtics on draft night 2015.
Celtics president of basketball operations Danny Ainge was looking to trade into the top nine, presumably to draft Duke’s Justise Winslow before the Miami Heat did at No. 10.
Ainge failed to convince the Hornets, or any team earlier in the draft order, to accept the package of picks he was offering that night. He discussed that with New England media after the draft, without saying just what he actually offered.
That was one of this week’s reader questions in the Hornets mailbag:
Q. Any insight on whether there is regret over the Hornets not taking the Celtics’ offer on 2015 draft night?
A. You are referring to the Hornets’ decision to select Frank Kaminsky ninth overall, rather than accept a trade offer from the Celtics.
To my knowledge, no one has reported precisely what Ainge offered. When I asked a source back then to explain all this, I received this analogy: That the Celtics wanted the Hornets’ dollar and were offering multiple coins in return; at the time, there was no way to determine whether those coins (future picks) would end up pennies, nickels, quarters or half dollars.
Trading down is typically a better strategy in the NFL than in the NBA. The talent can reduce quickly after the top 10 or so picks in an NBA draft. Trading, say, the seventh pick in the NBA for two picks in the 20s usually isn’t a good idea. In the NFL it might be, because there are so many more positions to fill.
Q. Any chance Kaminsky moves into a starting role this season?
A. There’s always a chance, but I’d be surprised if Kaminsky starts ahead of Marvin Williams at power forward. Williams is the superior defender and has dramatically more experience (861 NBA games versus Kaminsky’s 156).
Also, Williams doesn’t need the ball as much as Kaminsky does to be effective, so he fits with a starting group where guards Kemba Walker and Nic Batum dominate the ball and new center Dwight Howard will want his touches.
Williams wasn’t as good last season as the previous one, which was a contract year. But Williams is so solid, particularly keeping the defense organized.
Q. Will Howard set aside his ego and focus more on defense and protecting the rim? Do you think (coach Steve) Clifford can convince him of that?
A. Clifford’s previous relationship with Howard will help. Clifford was an assistant with the Orlando Magic and Los Angeles Lakers when Howard played for those teams. Howard says the two know how to be frank with each other constructively.
If you follow Howard on Twitter -- @DwightHoward – you’ll notice he’s motivated by critics, and he should be after being traded to Charlotte for so little, particularly Miles Plumlee’s awful contract.
Q. Do you think it’s time for a more offensive-minded coach (than Clifford) with the direction the league is going?
A. I definitely don’t. Last season’s team generated nearly 105 points per game, enough to win. They took a step back defensively, particularly in late-game situations. The bench was lousy and hopefully that was addressed by adding Howard (moving Cody Zeller to the second unit), rookies Malik Monk and Dwayne Bacon and point guard Michael Carter-Williams.
The jury is out on Carter-Williams, a former rookie of the year, but I believe his length will be really handy on defense. Howard gives them a rim protector they have lacked.
Q. Do you think (general manager Rich) Cho is seriously through trading?
A. I never assume the Hornets are through trading. It’s been their most successful roster-building tool back to Bernie Bickerstaff as coach-general manager with the NBA’s return to Charlotte in 2004.
The Hornets are close to the luxury-tax threshold and I don’t see them crossing that line. Player-for-player trades (of comparable salaries) is one avenue they still can explore.
Q. Is Kyrie Irving that much better than Kemba that he’d be worth giving up Kemba plus other assets?
A. Irving wants a trade out of Cleveland, but I doubt he’d be happier in Charlotte. Irving is better than Walker, but I don’t think substituting Irving for Walker would catapult the Hornets toward the Eastern Conference Finals.
Every time I think about Irving wanting to leave a team with LeBron James, it’s a "be careful what you wish for" moment.
bob
.
bobheckler- Posts : 62483
Join date : 2009-10-28
Re: Do Charlotte Hornets regret passing on Boston Celtics’ trade offer in 2015?
by gyso Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:44 am
Does this team even make the playoffs?
1. Kemba Walker (PG), Michael Carter-Williams (PG)
2. Nicolas Batum (SG/SF), Jeremy Lamb (SG/SF), Malik Monk (SG/PG)
3. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (SF), Dwayne Bacon (SF)
4. Marvin Williams (PF), Frank Kaminsky (PF/C)
5. Dwight Howard (C), Cody Zeller (C)
I am sure that I may have missed a player or two, hopefully no one in the rotation.
The roster seems a little guard heavy, with many players sharing the 2-3 positions, but no one sharing the 3-4 positions, as the Celtics do.
If you switch over to the Ball Handlers / Wings / Bigs; three position scenario, this team seems strong on both ends and weak in the middle (wings).
gyso
1. Kemba Walker (PG), Michael Carter-Williams (PG)
2. Nicolas Batum (SG/SF), Jeremy Lamb (SG/SF), Malik Monk (SG/PG)
3. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (SF), Dwayne Bacon (SF)
4. Marvin Williams (PF), Frank Kaminsky (PF/C)
5. Dwight Howard (C), Cody Zeller (C)
I am sure that I may have missed a player or two, hopefully no one in the rotation.
The roster seems a little guard heavy, with many players sharing the 2-3 positions, but no one sharing the 3-4 positions, as the Celtics do.
If you switch over to the Ball Handlers / Wings / Bigs; three position scenario, this team seems strong on both ends and weak in the middle (wings).
gyso
_________________
gyso- Posts : 22988
Join date : 2009-10-13
Re: Do Charlotte Hornets regret passing on Boston Celtics’ trade offer in 2015?
by fierce Sun Jul 30, 2017 6:01 pm
Definitely the Hornets were better off accepting that trade offer from the Celts in 2015.
fierce- Posts : 1251
Join date : 2017-04-22
Re: Do Charlotte Hornets regret passing on Boston Celtics’ trade offer in 2015?
by wideclyde Sun Jul 30, 2017 6:07 pm
If the Hornets are still happy not accepting Ainge's offer in 2015 they must be the only people who would see it that way. Perhaps once blind, always blind?
wideclyde- Posts : 2390
Join date : 2015-12-14
Re: Do Charlotte Hornets regret passing on Boston Celtics’ trade offer in 2015?
by cowens/oldschool Sun Jul 30, 2017 6:29 pm
Gyso I agree with you how weak they are at the 3-4.
Kidd Gilhurst and Williams? Really terrible
Kidd Gilhurst and Williams? Really terrible
cowens/oldschool- Posts : 27653
Join date : 2009-10-18
Re: Do Charlotte Hornets regret passing on Boston Celtics’ trade offer in 2015?
by dboss Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:38 pm
They will never admit that they blew the trade.
With respect to Danny it would have been a dreadful trade on his part. What the hell was he thinking?
Dboss
With respect to Danny it would have been a dreadful trade on his part. What the hell was he thinking?
Dboss
dboss- Posts : 19199
Join date : 2009-11-01
Re: Do Charlotte Hornets regret passing on Boston Celtics’ trade offer in 2015?
by fierce Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:20 pm
dboss wrote:They will never admit that they blew the trade.
With respect to Danny it would have been a dreadful trade on his part. What the hell was he thinking?
Dboss
Ainge was out for Justise...
Winslow.
fierce- Posts : 1251
Join date : 2017-04-22
Re: Do Charlotte Hornets regret passing on Boston Celtics’ trade offer in 2015?
by gyso Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:41 pm
fierce wrote:dboss wrote:They will never admit that they blew the trade.
With respect to Danny it would have been a dreadful trade on his part. What the hell was he thinking?
Dboss
Ainge was out for Justise...
Winslow.
_________________
gyso- Posts : 22988
Join date : 2009-10-13
Re: Do Charlotte Hornets regret passing on Boston Celtics’ trade offer in 2015?
by Sponsored content
Sponsored content
Similar topics» Boston Celtics strike sign-and-trade deal to send Terry Rozier to Charlotte Hornets (report)
» Al Horford impressive again as Boston Celtics roll Charlotte Hornets, 107-92
» Boston Celtics big defense was bad against Charlotte Hornets, except for Vincent Poirier’s glimmer of good fundamentals
» The exact thing Kemba Walker wanted, literally nothing exciting Romeo Langford, & 10 things we learned from Boston Celtics vs. Charlotte Hornets
» Al Horford rumors: Boston Celtics made ‘pretty healthy’ offer, per ESPN’s Jackie MacMullan; Mavericks may offer $112 million
» Al Horford impressive again as Boston Celtics roll Charlotte Hornets, 107-92
» Boston Celtics big defense was bad against Charlotte Hornets, except for Vincent Poirier’s glimmer of good fundamentals
» The exact thing Kemba Walker wanted, literally nothing exciting Romeo Langford, & 10 things we learned from Boston Celtics vs. Charlotte Hornets
» Al Horford rumors: Boston Celtics made ‘pretty healthy’ offer, per ESPN’s Jackie MacMullan; Mavericks may offer $112 million
Page 1 of 1
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum|
|
|