Re: POST GAME - HOUSTON - AWAY

by **swish** Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:20 am

The slow motion replay seems to have made just about every fan an expert referee. Perhaps real time calls are no longer going to suffice. Lets go to the instant relay on every whistle. Just a couple more hours at the game.

swish

by **mrkleen09** Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:44 am

This is not about slow motion replays, as those have been around for decades - yet the past few season it is very clear by any objective measure, the NBA officiating has been in decline.

Lots of quality veterans have retired. A number left for the NCAA. And the NBA officiating is less experienced than in the past, and the results are showing.

Now the players are not blameless in this, as the complaining has also gotten out of hand. But they didnt schedule a meeting during the All Star break between the NBA Players Association and National Basketball Referees Association because of replays.

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/12/27/16818854/nba-referees-players-ejections-leadership-tension

by **jrleftfoot** Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:16 pm

cowens/oldschool wrote:
jrleftfoot wrote:Marcus Morris was 66th of 486 players in defensive efficiency rating in 2016-17 and held LBJ to 20.5 points per 100 possessions, best of any defender in the league. Maybe he has gotten a lot worse this year. I haven't seen the stats.I'm not arguing who should be in at the end of games . Often their is a defense-offense rotation. I'm just not seeing the crappy defense that some posters are complaining about. He's not a shot blocker and he's nit as athletic as Brown, who was in foul trouble most of the game, but he gets down in a stance, moves his feet and challenges shots. Stevens doesn't do everything right, but some of the criticism of him is over the top. Theis was coming off an injury . Brown was in foul trouble. Monroe hasn't played much of the year, so I imagine his endurance may not be at the top of the scale. IMO, we lost because Horford and Irving were off their games (killer turnover by Kyrie in final minutes) and because of 4 pretty b.s. technical foul points the refs gave Houston. Not sure what Stevens could have done to magically pull the game winning rabbit out of his hat.

I agree if Kyrie and Al are on their games, this would have been an easy victory.

On Morris, I noticed on the perimeter he’s pretty slow, doesn’t get there fast enough to jump on the shooting hand and bother 3’s like Jaylen, Tatum, Smart, Rozier or Theis, there’s a reason in this era of 3 ball, we have
the #1 ranked D for a reason. He can play decent post D, but against a lot of 4’s he doesn’t have the length to bother them, he’s a tweener, his help defense and shot blocking are weak for a 4 on a contending team.

That`s fair. Morris isn`t super quick like Brown or Smart , but the technique and effort are there.

by **jrleftfoot** Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:17 pm

cowens/oldschool wrote:
jrleftfoot wrote:Marcus Morris was 66th of 486 players in defensive efficiency rating in 2016-17 and held LBJ to 20.5 points per 100 possessions, best of any defender in the league. Maybe he has gotten a lot worse this year. I haven't seen the stats.I'm not arguing who should be in at the end of games . Often their is a defense-offense rotation. I'm just not seeing the crappy defense that some posters are complaining about. He's not a shot blocker and he's nit as athletic as Brown, who was in foul trouble most of the game, but he gets down in a stance, moves his feet and challenges shots. Stevens doesn't do everything right, but some of the criticism of him is over the top. Theis was coming off an injury . Brown was in foul trouble. Monroe hasn't played much of the year, so I imagine his endurance may not be at the top of the scale. IMO, we lost because Horford and Irving were off their games (killer turnover by Kyrie in final minutes) and because of 4 pretty b.s. technical foul points the refs gave Houston. Not sure what Stevens could have done to magically pull the game winning rabbit out of his hat.

I agree if Kyrie and Al are on their games, this would have been an easy victory.

On Morris, I noticed on the perimeter he’s pretty slow, doesn’t get there fast enough to jump on the shooting hand and bother 3’s like Jaylen, Tatum, Smart, Rozier or Theis, there’s a reason in this era of 3 ball, we have
the #1 ranked D for a reason. He can play decent post D, but against a lot of 4’s he doesn’t have the length to bother them, he’s a tweener, his help defense and shot blocking are weak for a 4 on a contending team.

That`s fair. Morris isn`t super quick like Brown or Smart , but the technique and effort are there.

by **k_j_88** Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:01 pm

Celtics fans... where do we find ourselves? Right in the thick of contenders. We've proven we can hang with Houston (and really any team in this league). A tough road loss to a team with a now 15-game streak by 3 points is not bad. I mean, of course you want to win, but there are some positives here.

About those refs... They were bad. Really bad. There were quite a few highly-obvious missed calls. But they aren't the reason why we lost. We lost thanks to a flurry of late-game miscues. We turned the ball over and allowed Houston to capitalize.

I don't have too much to gripe about with Stevens for this loss. However, let's not conflate this with absolving him of all responsibility in losses. There have been some games where the blame should be placed squarely on his shoulders.

KJ

by **cowens/oldschool** Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:58 am

jrleftfoot wrote:
cowens/oldschool wrote:
jrleftfoot wrote:Marcus Morris was 66th of 486 players in defensive efficiency rating in 2016-17 and held LBJ to 20.5 points per 100 possessions, best of any defender in the league. Maybe he has gotten a lot worse this year. I haven't seen the stats.I'm not arguing who should be in at the end of games . Often their is a defense-offense rotation. I'm just not seeing the crappy defense that some posters are complaining about. He's not a shot blocker and he's nit as athletic as Brown, who was in foul trouble most of the game, but he gets down in a stance, moves his feet and challenges shots. Stevens doesn't do everything right, but some of the criticism of him is over the top. Theis was coming off an injury . Brown was in foul trouble. Monroe hasn't played much of the year, so I imagine his endurance may not be at the top of the scale. IMO, we lost because Horford and Irving were off their games (killer turnover by Kyrie in final minutes) and because of 4 pretty b.s. technical foul points the refs gave Houston. Not sure what Stevens could have done to magically pull the game winning rabbit out of his hat.

I agree if Kyrie and Al are on their games, this would have been an easy victory.

On Morris, I noticed on the perimeter he’s pretty slow, doesn’t get there fast enough to jump on the shooting hand and bother 3’s like Jaylen, Tatum, Smart, Rozier or Theis, there’s a reason in this era of 3 ball, we have
the #1 ranked D for a reason. He can play decent post D, but against a lot of 4’s he doesn’t have the length to bother them, he’s a tweener, his help defense and shot blocking are weak for a 4 on a contending team.
That`s fair. Morris isn`t super quick like Brown or Smart , but the technique and effort are there.

Yeah guess he actually is a stretch 4, guess you always need one of those handy, and when he gets hot, he can hit a few in a row, definitely can do some things....

by **hawksnestbeach** Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:49 pm

I'm inclined to give the coach a break when we lose a game in the regular season because now is the time to get the kinks out of the system. Kyrie, who has been great, still needs to trust his teammates more, and they need to trust themselves more when the clock is ticking down. I've never been more pleased with a loss than the Houston game because it showed how close we are and I doubt Houston took much comfort in the win. The C's are rounding into great shape for the playoffs and I wouldn't want to face them, especially as Monroe gets more comfortable. Even without Hayward, I think we can beat anyone. Hawk

by **cowens/oldschool** Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:01 pm

hawksnestbeach wrote:I'm inclined to give the coach a break when we lose a game in the regular season because now is the time to get the kinks out of the system. Kyrie, who has been great, still needs to trust his teammates more, and they need to trust themselves more when the clock is ticking down. I've never been more pleased with a loss than the Houston game because it showed how close we are and I doubt Houston took much comfort in the win. The C's are rounding into great shape for the playoffs and I wouldn't want to face them, especially as Monroe gets more comfortable. Even without Hayward, I think we can beat anyone. Hawk

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by **RosalieTCeltics** Tue Mar 06, 2018 5:39 pm

Marcus fined $15,000 for complaining about non call at end of game. He is up to $19,000 for the year.

I don't know where or when all these fines took place but Kyrie is up to $31,000. Where did they all come from or was there a big one that pushed the total up

Must be nice to have money to throw around like this huh???
Just shut up and play the game, let Stevens bitch for you

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