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POST GAME CHARLOTTE - AWAY - BOS 117, CHA 124 Final
Celtics Wrap: Boston Falls To Hornets 124-117 After Fourth-Quarter Meltdown
NESN by Michael McMahon on Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 8:29PM
After a pair of tough-to-swallow losses against playoff contenders, the Boston Celtics could not right the ship against the scuffling Charlotte Hornets, blowing an 18-point lead in the fourth quarter in a 124-117 loss at Spectrum Center.
Kemba Walker was a force, finishing with 36 points, nine points and 11 rebounds, out-dueling Kyrie Irving in the fourth quarter.
Irving led the Celtics with 31 points. Jaylen Brown continued to impress while coming off the bench, going for 29 points. Marcus Morris (15), Jayson Tatum (12) and Terry Rozier (12) also finished in double figures.
With the loss, the Celtics fall to 43-30, while the Hornets move to 33-39 with the win.
Here’s how it all went down.
STARTING FIVE
PG: Kyrie Irving
SG: Marcus Smart
SF: Jayson Tatum
PF: Marcus Morris Sr.
C: Robert Williams III
KYRIE’S COOKING
After falling behind in the opening minutes, the Celtics finished the first on a tear thanks to a monster quarter from Irving and took a 35-29 lead into the second.
Making the first start of his career, Robert Williams wasted little time getting involved on defense, sending the Hornets’ first shot of the game into the stands.
That didn’t slow the Hornets too much, as the hosts opened up a 14-6 lead after Miles Bridges hit a pair of free throws with 7:45 to play in the first. But the rest of the quarter belonged to Irving, who led Boston on a 9-0 tear over the next 2:01, capping the run with a pull-up trey to make it 15-14.
Irving stayed hot, finishing 7-for-9 from the floor and 2-for-3 from deep in the opening 12 to lead all players with 16 points.
INJURY BUG BITES AGAIN
The Celtics were unable to pull away in the second quarter, but a strong half shooting-wise helped the C’s take a 64-63 lead into the break.
Boston shot 53 percent from the floor in the first half, and was 11-for-19 from beyond the arc. But more bad news came on the injury front as the C’s lost Williams for the game due to a back injury.
Irving extended Boston’s lead to double figures with a bank shot to make it 56-46 with 4:50 to play in the half. But just when it looked like the C’s could build a big lead heading into the break, the Hornets came back with a 9-0 run, with Walker making it a 56-55 game after a three-point play with 2:41 to play in the half.
Irving led all players with 18 points at the half. Walker had 13 for the Hornets.
BREATHING ROOM
A last-minute run helped the Celtics take a 98-89 lead into the final quarter, outscoring the Hornets 34-26 in the third.
Three-point shots from Jayson Tatum and Morris saw the Celts open up a 84-76 lead with 6:04 to play in the third. But Charlotte answered with triples from Walker and Malik Monk to narrow the game to 84-82 with 4:06 remaining.
Boston went on an important 8-0 in the final minute of the quarter, sparked by Irving.
Irving then kicked out to Morris for a corner three to make it 98-89 with 37.9 seconds remaining.
CELTICS BLOW IT
Boston built up an 18-point lead in the fourth, only to see come crashing down in the closing minutes in another tough-to-swallow loss.
The Celtics finally were able to create some separation from the Hornets in the fourth, with Tatum hitting a trey to make it an 11-point game.
Another triple from Brown made it 110-94 with 8:55 to play. But it did not last.
Charlotte climbed back within single digits with a Marvin Williams trey to make it 112-105 with 4:28 to play. Walker hit a pull up three to make it 115-11 with 2:55 left. Walker put the Hornets up 118-117 with a fade away corner three with 1:19 remaining.
Williams extended the lead to 120-117 at the line with 41.2 seconds left after an Irving turnover.
The Celtics were unable to convert a number of chances to tie the game, and Williams made it a five-point game at the line with 14 seconds left, and the Hornets pulled off the improbable comeback, closing the game on a 30-5 run. Yes, 30-5.
PLAY OF THE GAME
Feeling it.
UP NEXT
The Celtics return home for the second leg of a back-to-back against the San Antonio Spurs on Sunday. Tip-off from TD Garden is slated for 7:30 p.m. ET.
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NESN by Michael McMahon on Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 8:29PM
After a pair of tough-to-swallow losses against playoff contenders, the Boston Celtics could not right the ship against the scuffling Charlotte Hornets, blowing an 18-point lead in the fourth quarter in a 124-117 loss at Spectrum Center.
Kemba Walker was a force, finishing with 36 points, nine points and 11 rebounds, out-dueling Kyrie Irving in the fourth quarter.
Irving led the Celtics with 31 points. Jaylen Brown continued to impress while coming off the bench, going for 29 points. Marcus Morris (15), Jayson Tatum (12) and Terry Rozier (12) also finished in double figures.
With the loss, the Celtics fall to 43-30, while the Hornets move to 33-39 with the win.
Here’s how it all went down.
STARTING FIVE
PG: Kyrie Irving
SG: Marcus Smart
SF: Jayson Tatum
PF: Marcus Morris Sr.
C: Robert Williams III
KYRIE’S COOKING
After falling behind in the opening minutes, the Celtics finished the first on a tear thanks to a monster quarter from Irving and took a 35-29 lead into the second.
Making the first start of his career, Robert Williams wasted little time getting involved on defense, sending the Hornets’ first shot of the game into the stands.
That didn’t slow the Hornets too much, as the hosts opened up a 14-6 lead after Miles Bridges hit a pair of free throws with 7:45 to play in the first. But the rest of the quarter belonged to Irving, who led Boston on a 9-0 tear over the next 2:01, capping the run with a pull-up trey to make it 15-14.
Irving stayed hot, finishing 7-for-9 from the floor and 2-for-3 from deep in the opening 12 to lead all players with 16 points.
INJURY BUG BITES AGAIN
The Celtics were unable to pull away in the second quarter, but a strong half shooting-wise helped the C’s take a 64-63 lead into the break.
Boston shot 53 percent from the floor in the first half, and was 11-for-19 from beyond the arc. But more bad news came on the injury front as the C’s lost Williams for the game due to a back injury.
Irving extended Boston’s lead to double figures with a bank shot to make it 56-46 with 4:50 to play in the half. But just when it looked like the C’s could build a big lead heading into the break, the Hornets came back with a 9-0 run, with Walker making it a 56-55 game after a three-point play with 2:41 to play in the half.
Irving led all players with 18 points at the half. Walker had 13 for the Hornets.
BREATHING ROOM
A last-minute run helped the Celtics take a 98-89 lead into the final quarter, outscoring the Hornets 34-26 in the third.
Three-point shots from Jayson Tatum and Morris saw the Celts open up a 84-76 lead with 6:04 to play in the third. But Charlotte answered with triples from Walker and Malik Monk to narrow the game to 84-82 with 4:06 remaining.
Boston went on an important 8-0 in the final minute of the quarter, sparked by Irving.
Irving then kicked out to Morris for a corner three to make it 98-89 with 37.9 seconds remaining.
CELTICS BLOW IT
Boston built up an 18-point lead in the fourth, only to see come crashing down in the closing minutes in another tough-to-swallow loss.
The Celtics finally were able to create some separation from the Hornets in the fourth, with Tatum hitting a trey to make it an 11-point game.
Another triple from Brown made it 110-94 with 8:55 to play. But it did not last.
Charlotte climbed back within single digits with a Marvin Williams trey to make it 112-105 with 4:28 to play. Walker hit a pull up three to make it 115-11 with 2:55 left. Walker put the Hornets up 118-117 with a fade away corner three with 1:19 remaining.
Williams extended the lead to 120-117 at the line with 41.2 seconds left after an Irving turnover.
The Celtics were unable to convert a number of chances to tie the game, and Williams made it a five-point game at the line with 14 seconds left, and the Hornets pulled off the improbable comeback, closing the game on a 30-5 run. Yes, 30-5.
PLAY OF THE GAME
Feeling it.
UP NEXT
The Celtics return home for the second leg of a back-to-back against the San Antonio Spurs on Sunday. Tip-off from TD Garden is slated for 7:30 p.m. ET.
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Re: POST GAME CHARLOTTE - AWAY - BOS 117, CHA 124 Final
As I stated in the last games post, add a psychiatrist to the open 15th roster spot!
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Re: POST GAME CHARLOTTE - AWAY - BOS 117, CHA 124 Final
Anybody notice we have no strategy at crunch time except be at Kyrie’s mercy with the ball. If that is all Stevens can come up with we’re in a load of trouble....
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We were outscored 30-5 to end the game, can anyone explain to me what was Stevens strategy? I have no idea...???
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Yabusele looked good. JB was an all star. And, after watching Smart and Rozier no need to watch the sequel to "Dumb and Dumber."
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Another dud for Tatum.
Is it soon gong to be time to start viewing him with different lenses?
He clearly has regressed from last season.
Here’s a comparison of how many times Tatum and some other 2nd year players have scored 30 points in a game in their first two years.
Mitchell 24 times.
Kuzma 11 times.
Markkanen 10 times.
Tatum 1 time.
Tatum has also played the most games out of those 4.
This loss like most should not be on Kyrie.
He’s had a great offensive season.
Is it soon gong to be time to start viewing him with different lenses?
He clearly has regressed from last season.
Here’s a comparison of how many times Tatum and some other 2nd year players have scored 30 points in a game in their first two years.
Mitchell 24 times.
Kuzma 11 times.
Markkanen 10 times.
Tatum 1 time.
Tatum has also played the most games out of those 4.
This loss like most should not be on Kyrie.
He’s had a great offensive season.
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tjmakz wrote:Another dud for Tatum.
Is it soon gong to be time to start viewing him with different lenses?
He clearly has regressed from last season.
Here’s a comparison of how many times Tatum and some other 2nd year players have scored 30 points in a game in their first two years.
Mitchell 24 times.
Kuzma 11 times.
Markkanen 10 times.
Tatum 1 time.
Tatum has also played the most games out of those 4.
This loss like most should not be on Kyrie.
He’s had a great offensive season.
He has sucked at closing games recently, but he’s getting no coaching that I can see. A bigger concern than Tatum is Stevens, I can’t believe I watched another total meltdown with another team just hungrier than us and just playing harder with Stevens clueless to do anything, everything he’s doing whatever it is, is not working....in the last 5-8 minutes.
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Cow, I have also lost faith in Stevens. The coaching has hindered Jaylen, Tatum (who has really regressed) and Williams. Plus we don't know how to stop other teams when they are on a run, and we lose too many 3rd Q's, which Red would say was the most important Q and showed when the coach had made the proper adjustments at half time.
Re: POST GAME CHARLOTTE - AWAY - BOS 117, CHA 124 Final
Irving said Celts should have trapped Walker, "like everybody else does." Wake up, Brad. The season is slipping away.
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Offense is bland, team makes no adjustments, how we blew this game is beyond me, I don’t understand how we blew these last few games, Kyrie regularly throws teammates under the bus, 30-5 run confirms everything is not working. At one point I saw him say nothing to nobody and just put Morris in, like that was gonna work, every coach makes adjustments DURING games. Look at the shot selection of Tatum, Rozier, Kyrie, just one on one bullshit crap with Tatum and Rozier just throwing up 25 ft contested twisting shots with no chance. How come no easy baskets at all? Where is the ball movement, players cutting, any damn thing, a give and go, pnr, what the fuck was this team doing? oh right Kyrie blowing shot after shot, cause we should freeze out Jaylen at the end and everybody else cause they had their turn to take the worst shots.
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Larry Bird had an offensive coordinator and a defensive coordinator, Stevens needs a lot of help, because he is blowing games left and right. This team doesn’t know what the fuck it is doing, other coaches are coaching their ass off. Collapse right at crunch time, no leadership, no coaching, no strategy. BS needs help, he can’t handle this job, other coaches are making adjustments and BS is clueless.....
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cowens/oldschool wrote:Offense is bland, team makes no adjustments, how we blew this game is beyond me, I don’t understand how we blew these last few games, Kyrie regularly throws teammates under the bus, 30-5 run confirms everything is not working. At one point I saw him say nothing to nobody and just put Morris in, like that was gonna work, every coach makes adjustments DURING games. Look at the shot selection of Tatum, Rozier, Kyrie, just one on one bullshit crap with Tatum and Rozier just throwing up 25 ft contested twisting shots with no chance. How come no easy baskets at all? Where is the ball movement, players cutting, any damn thing, a give and go, pnr, what the fuck was this team doing? oh right Kyrie blowing shot after shot, cause we should freeze out Jaylen at the end and everybody else cause they had their turn to take the worst shots.
Couldn't agree more Cowens!
Does this team have no heart, no guts, or no brains? Or are they just waiting for the playoffs where the NBA magic fairy is going to sprinkle winning dust on their downtrodden brows?
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Once again the Celtics lost the rebounding battle, the PITP battle and the free throw battle. What has happened with our vaulted defense. They shot 18-38 from deep for 47.4 %???
As these losses continue to pile up, the reality of who this team is smacks you right in the face.
The very notion that this team is a contender is absurd. Mark my word, this team could get knocked out in the first round if they have to win on the road.
The luster surrounding coach Stevens looks a bit tarnished to me. There is absolutely nothing that he can do this year to turn things around. A team becomes a creature of habits both good and bad. Teams that lack discipline do not suddenly become disciplined. He has a very undisciplined team.
As these losses continue to pile up, the reality of who this team is smacks you right in the face.
The very notion that this team is a contender is absurd. Mark my word, this team could get knocked out in the first round if they have to win on the road.
The luster surrounding coach Stevens looks a bit tarnished to me. There is absolutely nothing that he can do this year to turn things around. A team becomes a creature of habits both good and bad. Teams that lack discipline do not suddenly become disciplined. He has a very undisciplined team.
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wow..kind of amazing how the board has turned on Stevens this season.
someone most here would have called one of the top 2-3 head coaches the Celtics have ever had just a year ago.
I wonder how became such a bad coach all of the sudden?
someone most here would have called one of the top 2-3 head coaches the Celtics have ever had just a year ago.
I wonder how became such a bad coach all of the sudden?
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kdp59 wrote:wow..kind of amazing how the board has turned on Stevens this season.
someone most here would have called one of the top 2-3 head coaches the Celtics have ever had just a year ago.
I wonder how became such a bad coach all of the sudden?
Stevens for Walton and a 2nd round pick?
Lakers fans would make that trade.
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cowens/oldschool wrote:Larry Bird had an offensive coordinator and a defensive coordinator, Stevens needs a lot of help, because he is blowing games left and right. This team doesn’t know what the fuck it is doing, other coaches are coaching their ass off. Collapse right at crunch time, no leadership, no coaching, no strategy. BS needs help, he can’t handle this job, other coaches are making adjustments and BS is clueless.....
DITTO
Look at who Doc had Tom T.
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Here's what's absurd, people taking anything away from recent games and inventing their own truthiness.
Players that were out:
Players that are now out:
This means that both Tatum and Williams were injured during the game.
It sucks that we lost the lead, but seriously, this is our team's reality for the rest of this season. I'll bet the team management would rather nurse the injured players back to health than win meaningless games in the regular season.
Many of us are our own worse enemies because we started the season with unrealistic expectations and continue to use that as our baseline for opinions.
So now, Ainge sucks, Brad sucks, Tatum sucks, Morris is okay and now he sucks, Smart is okay and now he sucks, Kyrie sucks, Hayward sucks, Horford sucks, and on and on and on.
Wow.
Go Celtics!!!
Players that were out:
gyso wrote:As of 8:38AM EST
Al Horford
Day-To-Day
Mar 22
Comment: Horford won't play Saturday against the Hornets due to left knee soreness.
Gordon Hayward
Day-To-Day
Mar 22
Comment: Hayward (concussion) is out Saturday against the Hornets.
Gordon Hayward
Day-To-Day
Mar 21
Comment: Celtics executive Danny Ainge said he expects Hayward (concussion) to return to action Saturday against Charlotte or Sunday against San Antonio, Chris Forsberg of NBC Sports Boston reports.
Aron Baynes
Day-To-Day
Mar 22
Comment: Baynes (ankle) has been ruled out for Saturday's game against the Hornets, Tim Bontemps of ESPN.com reports.
Aron Baynes
Day-To-Day
Mar 22
Comment: Baynes' (ankle) MRI returned "more positive than expected" and there's a possibility he plays Sunday against the Spurs, Gary Washburn of The Boston Globe reports.
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Day-To-Day
Mar 22
Comment: Kidd-Gilchrist (concussion) is listed as out for Saturday's game against the Celtics.
Cody Zeller
Out
Mar 22
Comment: Zeller (knee) is listed as out for Saturday's game against the Celtics.
Players that are now out:
gyso wrote:
Jayson Tatum
Day-To-Day
Mar 23
Comment: Tatum suffered a bruised lower back during Saturday's loss to the Hornets.
Robert Williams III
Day-To-Day
Mar 23
Comment: Williams, due to a lower back contusion, will not return to Saturday's game against the Hornets.
Robert Williams III
Day-To-Day
Mar 23
Comment: Williams suffered a hard fall after a putback dunk attempt Saturday against the Hornets, and he went to the locker room holding his lower back, Rod Boone of The Athletic reports.
Greg Monroe
Day-To-Day
Mar 23
Comment: day-to-day
[He joined the Celtics just in time to go on the injury list? I thought he was here to HELP give rest to other injured Celtics players!?!]
Aron Baynes
Day-To-Day
Mar 22
Comment: Baynes (ankle) has been ruled out for Saturday's game against the Hornets, Tim Bontemps of ESPN.com reports.
Gordon Hayward
Day-To-Day
Mar 22
Comment: Hayward (concussion) is out Saturday against the Hornets.
[Old comment]
Al Horford
Day-To-Day
Mar 22
Comment: Horford won't play Saturday against the Hornets due to left knee soreness.
[Old comment]
This means that both Tatum and Williams were injured during the game.
It sucks that we lost the lead, but seriously, this is our team's reality for the rest of this season. I'll bet the team management would rather nurse the injured players back to health than win meaningless games in the regular season.
Many of us are our own worse enemies because we started the season with unrealistic expectations and continue to use that as our baseline for opinions.
So now, Ainge sucks, Brad sucks, Tatum sucks, Morris is okay and now he sucks, Smart is okay and now he sucks, Kyrie sucks, Hayward sucks, Horford sucks, and on and on and on.
Wow.
Go Celtics!!!
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The only thing that sucks about the Celtics is Kyrie's attitude when he's unhappy. Latest manifestation, yesterday he blamed the coach for why he got outdueled in the fourth quarter by Kemba instead of just acknowledging that another great player beat him. When Larry was unhappy he called his team a bunch of sissies which clearly was an insult of his teamates, but it worked to rally them to a championship. Don't forget, we here in the peanut gallery are only privy to what Kyrie says publicly about Stevens, the younger players, etc.
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gyso wrote:Here's what's absurd, people taking anything away from recent games and inventing their own truthiness.
Players that were out:gyso wrote:As of 8:38AM EST
Al Horford
Day-To-Day
Mar 22
Comment: Horford won't play Saturday against the Hornets due to left knee soreness.
Gordon Hayward
Day-To-Day
Mar 22
Comment: Hayward (concussion) is out Saturday against the Hornets.
Gordon Hayward
Day-To-Day
Mar 21
Comment: Celtics executive Danny Ainge said he expects Hayward (concussion) to return to action Saturday against Charlotte or Sunday against San Antonio, Chris Forsberg of NBC Sports Boston reports.
Aron Baynes
Day-To-Day
Mar 22
Comment: Baynes (ankle) has been ruled out for Saturday's game against the Hornets, Tim Bontemps of ESPN.com reports.
Aron Baynes
Day-To-Day
Mar 22
Comment: Baynes' (ankle) MRI returned "more positive than expected" and there's a possibility he plays Sunday against the Spurs, Gary Washburn of The Boston Globe reports.
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Day-To-Day
Mar 22
Comment: Kidd-Gilchrist (concussion) is listed as out for Saturday's game against the Celtics.
Cody Zeller
Out
Mar 22
Comment: Zeller (knee) is listed as out for Saturday's game against the Celtics.
Players that are now out:gyso wrote:
Jayson Tatum
Day-To-Day
Mar 23
Comment: Tatum suffered a bruised lower back during Saturday's loss to the Hornets.
Robert Williams III
Day-To-Day
Mar 23
Comment: Williams, due to a lower back contusion, will not return to Saturday's game against the Hornets.
Robert Williams III
Day-To-Day
Mar 23
Comment: Williams suffered a hard fall after a putback dunk attempt Saturday against the Hornets, and he went to the locker room holding his lower back, Rod Boone of The Athletic reports.
Greg Monroe
Day-To-Day
Mar 23
Comment: day-to-day
[He joined the Celtics just in time to go on the injury list? I thought he was here to HELP give rest to other injured Celtics players!?!]
Aron Baynes
Day-To-Day
Mar 22
Comment: Baynes (ankle) has been ruled out for Saturday's game against the Hornets, Tim Bontemps of ESPN.com reports.
Gordon Hayward
Day-To-Day
Mar 22
Comment: Hayward (concussion) is out Saturday against the Hornets.
[Old comment]
Al Horford
Day-To-Day
Mar 22
Comment: Horford won't play Saturday against the Hornets due to left knee soreness.
[Old comment]
This means that both Tatum and Williams were injured during the game.
It sucks that we lost the lead, but seriously, this is our team's reality for the rest of this season. I'll bet the team management would rather nurse the injured players back to health than win meaningless games in the regular season.
Many of us are our own worse enemies because we started the season with unrealistic expectations and continue to use that as our baseline for opinions.
So now, Ainge sucks, Brad sucks, Tatum sucks, Morris is okay and now he sucks, Smart is okay and now he sucks, Kyrie sucks, Hayward sucks, Horford sucks, and on and on and on.
Wow.
Go Celtics!!!
Granted gyso, but you have to admit, that what we are seeing is a lack of intensity and desire. In other words, we are not seeing Celtics basketball. That's what hurts - not the losses, but the way we're losing.
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gyso wrote:
Many of us are our own worse enemies because we started the season with unrealistic expectations and continue to use that as our baseline for opinions.
So now, Ainge sucks, Brad sucks, Tatum sucks, Morris is okay and now he sucks, Smart is okay and now he sucks, Kyrie sucks, Hayward sucks, Horford sucks, and on and on and on.
Wow.
Go Celtics!!!
by BingBang! on Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:28 am
The only thing that sucks about the Celtics is Kyrie's attitude when he's unhappy. Latest manifestation, yesterday he blamed the coach for why he got outdueled in the fourth quarter by Kemba instead of just acknowledging that another great player beat him. When Larry was unhappy he called his team a bunch of sissies which clearly was an insult of his teamates, but it worked to rally them to a championship. Don't forget, we here in the peanut gallery are only privy to what Kyrie says publicly about Stevens, the younger players, etc.
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No need to say much when these two pretty well sum up my thoughts.
I will go as far as to say Kyrie's public statements are starting to irritate me, but as BingBang! says, might be more to it.
Off to more important things. Like burning my brackets.
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Well at least we have Greg Monroe back on the roster!
There is a lot of blame to go around, though hard to know what is really going on in players heads vs what they say in public. Perhaps the truth will come out at a future date.
The team is less than the sum of its parts. Usually it is the other way, but not with this team.
Regardless of how we do in the playoffs, I’m hoping come July 1st Kyrie is gone. Kyrie is an exceptional offensive talent, but a leader he ain’t. The thought of watching and listening to him for five more years is a fate worse than death. (Ok, I’m exaggerating a bit here) I don’t care if we get nothing for him, I’d rather watch a less talented Celtics team play with ganas and Celtics pride.
I for one have less enjoyment watching this team than any other Celtics team with the exception of the Wicks/Rowe abomination.
There is a lot of blame to go around, though hard to know what is really going on in players heads vs what they say in public. Perhaps the truth will come out at a future date.
The team is less than the sum of its parts. Usually it is the other way, but not with this team.
Regardless of how we do in the playoffs, I’m hoping come July 1st Kyrie is gone. Kyrie is an exceptional offensive talent, but a leader he ain’t. The thought of watching and listening to him for five more years is a fate worse than death. (Ok, I’m exaggerating a bit here) I don’t care if we get nothing for him, I’d rather watch a less talented Celtics team play with ganas and Celtics pride.
I for one have less enjoyment watching this team than any other Celtics team with the exception of the Wicks/Rowe abomination.
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Gyso I know we have injuries and even more after last night, but we still had an 18 point lead that got wiped out 30-5, that’s on Stevens IMHO. Losing a lead playing good hard nosed basketball I can take, it happens, but that display of garbage was a disgrace. It started with 2 back to back 24 second calls on us where we did absolutely nothing....then they kept going after us and we were pure non functional garbage in the strategy and way we executed.
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Re: POST GAME CHARLOTTE - AWAY - BOS 117, CHA 124 Final
Bobc33 I feel you, Kyrie has great talent, but he has too much Odell Beckhem in him. It’s hard to root for him a lot of times, on the floor he so hasn’t mastered the art of knowing when to go for his offense and get the others going and as this season proves, he can’t do it by himself and he makes his share of boneheaded plays. I’m on the fence if we keep him, fine he is a gifted asshole, if we get rid of him, I’m fine going that way too.
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Re: POST GAME CHARLOTTE - AWAY - BOS 117, CHA 124 Final
Before the game Brad told Scal that the coaches are in "evaluation" mode, where they are watching to see who they think can be relied upon to go out and execute without errors. I've said many times that one of the most valued traits coaches want to see in a player is predictability. "If I put them in, what will I get?". Not "hope to get" or "if he plays up to his potential" but bankable performance, because in crunch time that's how coaches make substitution decisions and substitution decisions guide play calling. Not going to call a play for a player if they're on the bench because the coach has shaky confidence that they'll do their job if they are on the floor, right? So they call a play for a player on the floor. Might not be the team's best play, but it's the best play the team has with players who will actually execute it well. And winning in the playoffs is about execution.
We were up 18, 112-94, with 8 minutes left. We were outscored 30-5 in the remaining 8. Both numbers are bad, the 30 points given up in just 8 minutes (that's a 45 point quarter if you extrapolate it out to 12 minutes, and there was no evidence we were slowing them down at all) and the 5 points by us (a 7.5 quarter). 45 isn't a record in today's offense-oriented NBA but 7-8 points might be a record in the post-shot clock NBA.
Here's how we went about only scoring 5 points in 2/3 of a quarter:
Kyrie Irving - 1-5, 0-4 3pt, 1 rebound, 1 TO
Jayson Tatum - 0-4, 0-2 3pt, 1 offensive rebound, 1 defensive rebound
Marcus Morris - 0-2, 0-1 3pt, 1 offensive rebound, 2 defensive rebounds
Marcus Smart - 0-1, 0-1 3pt, 1 assist, 2 TO (both offensive fouls on consecutive possessions)
Jaylen Brown - 1-1, 1-1 3pt, TO, 1 block
Terry Rozier - 0-2, 0-2 3pt
Daniel Theis - nothing
Semi Ojelaye - 0-1
Guerschon Yabusele - 0-1, 1 offensive rebound, 1 steal
Team Turnovers - 1 24 second
2-17 (17%), 1-10 from 3, 5 turnovers. Kyrie went 3-happy, Tatum just flat-out stunk the joint up, Morris was cold but rebounded (3 rebounds out of a team 7), Smart was a momentum killing liability and stopped nobody. Jaylen, and maybe Yabusele, were the only ones that played like they really deserved to be out there. We are averaging almost 91fgas/game, so 1/4 = 22.75 (23) and 2/3 of that (8 minutes/12 minutes per quarter) = 15-16 fgas in 8 minutes. So, we were getting up a good number of shots with 17, we just were missing almost all of them. But 10 of 17 were from 3 and that's too many. Understandably, towards the end with time running out, we were going to be jacking up more 3s to try to close the gap with minimal possessions but that's a lot. Kyrie, obviously, was the key culprit.
However, Kyrie was one of the hot hands that game. He scored 31 points on 12-22, which is really efficient. That's over 50% shooting. By comparison Kemba Walker scored 36 on 11-25, which is 44%. Kemba hit his in the final 8 minutes and Kyrie didn't, but points are points whenever they are scored and the reason why we were up 18 with 8 left in the first place was because Kyrie had already scored a ton and Kemba was shooting a very poor fg%, which he made up for in those final 8 but had put his team in a hole up to then. Kyrie ended the game 4-11 from 3 (36.4%), which isn't too bad overall. He was 4-7 from 3 until those final 8 minutes, so saying "Kyrie shouldn't have taken those 3s" is easy to say if you forget that he was smoking hot 4-7 from 3 up to then.
The other hot hand was Jaylen Brown. 29 points on 10-13, 4 rebounds, 4 assists, only 1 TO (in the final 8 minutes, unfortunately) and 2 blocks. He was having a GREAT game. Talk about "feeding the hot hand", that's what we saw this game with Brown. Why he didn't get fed more in those last 8, I don't know.
What I do know is that Jayson Tatum's judgment is starting to become increasingly questionable. He's not only shooting like shit (5-17, 29%, in this game) but his shot selection is getting worse. His 2-7 from 3, 28%, is an improvement over the 25.8% he has shot from 3 over the last 10 games. To say he has been struggling since the All-Star game, where he won the Skills Challenge and basked in the media limelight, is like saying Sisyphus has an uphill job ahead of him. Why is a player who is having an awful shooting night taking almost 1/4 of the team's 17 fgas? And they were bad shots too, mostly. He blew a bunny and an open corner 3, but I seem to remember the rest were wild, off-balance shots that were unnecessary. Brad played him 37 minutes. I know we were short-handed but I don't see where playing an ineffective player for that many minutes is good coaching.
If NOP wants one of the J's for Davis, and they most certainly will, I am at odds as to which I'd rather they get. Now that Jaylen Brown is healthy he is starting to put together a nice string of games. Granted some of it is him feasting on the other team's 2nd unit, but he plays against starters a lot too. Tatum starts vs the harder starting 5 of the other team, but he has not been doing well this year. He certainly has not had a big step up in this, his 2nd year. Apples and oranges? Brown shining against 6-10 while Tatum struggling against 1-5? Maybe, but that's where we're at.
Morris, overall, was generally effective. 15 points on 6-13, 3-5 from 3 and 9 rebounds, 4 assists. That's not too shabby. He was cold in those last 8, but he only took 2fgas, as opposed to Tatum who took 4 with the same results to show for them. In a game where we were without Baynes and Horford and, in just 10 minutes, without Williams we needed someone to step up and board and Morris did that at least.
The other Marcus, Smart, had an old Marcus Smart offensive night, and that was a problem. 2-10. Just when you thought he was fixed. Between him and Jayson Tatum they were a combined 7-27 (26%). 27 fgas = 29% of the Celtics' total fgas. If you are responsible for close to 1/3 of the team's fgas you cannot shoot that poorly and expect to win. ZERO shot conscience by BOTH of those players. Just chucking up shots hoping that eventually they'll hit one and turn their slump around. How about some layups, guys? Smart tried to play some bully ball in the final 8 but 2 flops in a row foiled that effort. Tatum? He only took 5 shots in the paint all night. 1-3 at the rim (missed a tip shot on an offensive rebound in the final , hit a 13' floater and had a shot blocked from 9' away by 6'5" Jeremy Lamb in the 2nd. With Nicolas Batum out who on that team has the defensive bona fides to have been able to guard Jayson? He should have feasted.
The Time Lord with his first NBA start and he looked good, right up to the point where he fell flat on his coccyx. Guaranteed that hurts today. He didn't land on the cushion of his ass, however bony it may be, he fell straight down with his body almost horizontal. In his 10 minutes he was 1-2 (the miss was his spectacularly athletic attempted putback which put him on his back), 3 rebounds and 2 blocks and, much more importantly, I didn't see too many blown defensive rotations. I saw one, on a pnr, but otherwise he was pretty good.
Semi and Yabby with very good games off the bench by two players who never get off the bench. That shows good work effort by them, they were ready for their minutes whenever they came.
Fritos were an issue, again. We took 15 and they took 28. It's hard to win when two of your starters take almost 30% of your fgas and shoot under 30%. It is also hard to win when your opponents almost double you up in frito attempts. We were 10-15 (Brown 4-7, so almost half the attempts but a poor ftm%, as we've sadly come to expect from him) while they were 22-28. That's 12 more points for them from the line. Some of that was their better percentage but, even if they shot the same ft% as us, there's their win for them (28 ftas X .6667 (our ft%) = 18.67 points vs our 10. We lost by 7). I realize we were ridiculously short on bigs with Horford and Baynes out, and Williams going down for the game after just 10 minutes, but still...I honestly don't know what to say about fritos. We took too many 3s perhaps, we took 43 out of 93 fgas, but we shot a very healthy 44% on them. Is 43 3pt fgas too many if you're shooting 44% on them? Consider that, without depth at big, what choice did we have? We outran them, 17 fast break points vs 11 for them, and we outshot them from 3. Isn't that what a team that is forced to play small because of injuries have to do? Monroe can't suit up fast enough. He isn't much on defense but he can rebound and he is a load-and-a-half under the boards on offense. A clever passing big too. Double him and he'll pass out and we are still one of the elite teams in the NBA on catch-and-shoot plays. Don't double him and he is a moose on the loose underneath.
http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=401071760
bob
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We were up 18, 112-94, with 8 minutes left. We were outscored 30-5 in the remaining 8. Both numbers are bad, the 30 points given up in just 8 minutes (that's a 45 point quarter if you extrapolate it out to 12 minutes, and there was no evidence we were slowing them down at all) and the 5 points by us (a 7.5 quarter). 45 isn't a record in today's offense-oriented NBA but 7-8 points might be a record in the post-shot clock NBA.
Here's how we went about only scoring 5 points in 2/3 of a quarter:
Kyrie Irving - 1-5, 0-4 3pt, 1 rebound, 1 TO
Jayson Tatum - 0-4, 0-2 3pt, 1 offensive rebound, 1 defensive rebound
Marcus Morris - 0-2, 0-1 3pt, 1 offensive rebound, 2 defensive rebounds
Marcus Smart - 0-1, 0-1 3pt, 1 assist, 2 TO (both offensive fouls on consecutive possessions)
Jaylen Brown - 1-1, 1-1 3pt, TO, 1 block
Terry Rozier - 0-2, 0-2 3pt
Daniel Theis - nothing
Semi Ojelaye - 0-1
Guerschon Yabusele - 0-1, 1 offensive rebound, 1 steal
Team Turnovers - 1 24 second
2-17 (17%), 1-10 from 3, 5 turnovers. Kyrie went 3-happy, Tatum just flat-out stunk the joint up, Morris was cold but rebounded (3 rebounds out of a team 7), Smart was a momentum killing liability and stopped nobody. Jaylen, and maybe Yabusele, were the only ones that played like they really deserved to be out there. We are averaging almost 91fgas/game, so 1/4 = 22.75 (23) and 2/3 of that (8 minutes/12 minutes per quarter) = 15-16 fgas in 8 minutes. So, we were getting up a good number of shots with 17, we just were missing almost all of them. But 10 of 17 were from 3 and that's too many. Understandably, towards the end with time running out, we were going to be jacking up more 3s to try to close the gap with minimal possessions but that's a lot. Kyrie, obviously, was the key culprit.
However, Kyrie was one of the hot hands that game. He scored 31 points on 12-22, which is really efficient. That's over 50% shooting. By comparison Kemba Walker scored 36 on 11-25, which is 44%. Kemba hit his in the final 8 minutes and Kyrie didn't, but points are points whenever they are scored and the reason why we were up 18 with 8 left in the first place was because Kyrie had already scored a ton and Kemba was shooting a very poor fg%, which he made up for in those final 8 but had put his team in a hole up to then. Kyrie ended the game 4-11 from 3 (36.4%), which isn't too bad overall. He was 4-7 from 3 until those final 8 minutes, so saying "Kyrie shouldn't have taken those 3s" is easy to say if you forget that he was smoking hot 4-7 from 3 up to then.
The other hot hand was Jaylen Brown. 29 points on 10-13, 4 rebounds, 4 assists, only 1 TO (in the final 8 minutes, unfortunately) and 2 blocks. He was having a GREAT game. Talk about "feeding the hot hand", that's what we saw this game with Brown. Why he didn't get fed more in those last 8, I don't know.
What I do know is that Jayson Tatum's judgment is starting to become increasingly questionable. He's not only shooting like shit (5-17, 29%, in this game) but his shot selection is getting worse. His 2-7 from 3, 28%, is an improvement over the 25.8% he has shot from 3 over the last 10 games. To say he has been struggling since the All-Star game, where he won the Skills Challenge and basked in the media limelight, is like saying Sisyphus has an uphill job ahead of him. Why is a player who is having an awful shooting night taking almost 1/4 of the team's 17 fgas? And they were bad shots too, mostly. He blew a bunny and an open corner 3, but I seem to remember the rest were wild, off-balance shots that were unnecessary. Brad played him 37 minutes. I know we were short-handed but I don't see where playing an ineffective player for that many minutes is good coaching.
If NOP wants one of the J's for Davis, and they most certainly will, I am at odds as to which I'd rather they get. Now that Jaylen Brown is healthy he is starting to put together a nice string of games. Granted some of it is him feasting on the other team's 2nd unit, but he plays against starters a lot too. Tatum starts vs the harder starting 5 of the other team, but he has not been doing well this year. He certainly has not had a big step up in this, his 2nd year. Apples and oranges? Brown shining against 6-10 while Tatum struggling against 1-5? Maybe, but that's where we're at.
Morris, overall, was generally effective. 15 points on 6-13, 3-5 from 3 and 9 rebounds, 4 assists. That's not too shabby. He was cold in those last 8, but he only took 2fgas, as opposed to Tatum who took 4 with the same results to show for them. In a game where we were without Baynes and Horford and, in just 10 minutes, without Williams we needed someone to step up and board and Morris did that at least.
The other Marcus, Smart, had an old Marcus Smart offensive night, and that was a problem. 2-10. Just when you thought he was fixed. Between him and Jayson Tatum they were a combined 7-27 (26%). 27 fgas = 29% of the Celtics' total fgas. If you are responsible for close to 1/3 of the team's fgas you cannot shoot that poorly and expect to win. ZERO shot conscience by BOTH of those players. Just chucking up shots hoping that eventually they'll hit one and turn their slump around. How about some layups, guys? Smart tried to play some bully ball in the final 8 but 2 flops in a row foiled that effort. Tatum? He only took 5 shots in the paint all night. 1-3 at the rim (missed a tip shot on an offensive rebound in the final , hit a 13' floater and had a shot blocked from 9' away by 6'5" Jeremy Lamb in the 2nd. With Nicolas Batum out who on that team has the defensive bona fides to have been able to guard Jayson? He should have feasted.
The Time Lord with his first NBA start and he looked good, right up to the point where he fell flat on his coccyx. Guaranteed that hurts today. He didn't land on the cushion of his ass, however bony it may be, he fell straight down with his body almost horizontal. In his 10 minutes he was 1-2 (the miss was his spectacularly athletic attempted putback which put him on his back), 3 rebounds and 2 blocks and, much more importantly, I didn't see too many blown defensive rotations. I saw one, on a pnr, but otherwise he was pretty good.
Semi and Yabby with very good games off the bench by two players who never get off the bench. That shows good work effort by them, they were ready for their minutes whenever they came.
Fritos were an issue, again. We took 15 and they took 28. It's hard to win when two of your starters take almost 30% of your fgas and shoot under 30%. It is also hard to win when your opponents almost double you up in frito attempts. We were 10-15 (Brown 4-7, so almost half the attempts but a poor ftm%, as we've sadly come to expect from him) while they were 22-28. That's 12 more points for them from the line. Some of that was their better percentage but, even if they shot the same ft% as us, there's their win for them (28 ftas X .6667 (our ft%) = 18.67 points vs our 10. We lost by 7). I realize we were ridiculously short on bigs with Horford and Baynes out, and Williams going down for the game after just 10 minutes, but still...I honestly don't know what to say about fritos. We took too many 3s perhaps, we took 43 out of 93 fgas, but we shot a very healthy 44% on them. Is 43 3pt fgas too many if you're shooting 44% on them? Consider that, without depth at big, what choice did we have? We outran them, 17 fast break points vs 11 for them, and we outshot them from 3. Isn't that what a team that is forced to play small because of injuries have to do? Monroe can't suit up fast enough. He isn't much on defense but he can rebound and he is a load-and-a-half under the boards on offense. A clever passing big too. Double him and he'll pass out and we are still one of the elite teams in the NBA on catch-and-shoot plays. Don't double him and he is a moose on the loose underneath.
http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=401071760
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Re: POST GAME CHARLOTTE - AWAY - BOS 117, CHA 124 Final
Kyrie's talking is responsible for other teams going on 30 -5 runs? Interesting perspective. How about Danny's apparent disdain for bigs not named Anthony Davis, Jayson Tatum's lack of maturity ( understandable) and Steven"s lack of in game adjustments ( baffling)?
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