Why the Celtics, Blazers, Heat, Hawks and even the Warriors should kick the tires on a Kevin Love trade with the Cavs
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Why the Celtics, Blazers, Heat, Hawks and even the Warriors should kick the tires on a Kevin Love trade with the Cavs
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Why the Celtics, Blazers, Heat, Hawks and even the Warriors should kick the tires on a Kevin Love trade with the Cavs
Love's timeline does not fit alongside Cleveland's young movement, but his salary could be tough to swallow
Brad Botkin
mugshotby Brad Botkin Sep 5, 2019 at 12:55 pm ET • 3 min read
On the surface, Kevin Love doesn't appear to make much sense in Cleveland, which is in full rebuild mode around two lottery picks in Collin Sexton and Darius Garland. Love can aid in the development of those two, no question. But he makes a lot of money to be a tutor with a nice pick-and-pop game. The Cavs can't be foolish enough to think they can compete for a playoff spot this season. Why not extract whatever value Love has left in the form of young players and/or assets to pair with Garland and Sexton?
Side note: Depending on how Garland looks, I'm not sure Sexton won't become a trade candidate at some point. This could end up being a Steph Curry/Monta Ellis situation where the organization decides to make a choice between the two rather than move forward with an undersized backcourt. But that's another story for another day, and pure speculation at this point.
For now, Love remains a good player who can help a lot of good teams who think they're one piece from being great. He'll be 31 at the start of the season, and he remains a 20-and-10 talent. He likely wouldn't put those numbers up for a team trading for him, as he makes most sense as a third option next to higher-usage stars, but let's not get it twisted that Love has somehow fallen off a cliff. He can shoot. He can pass. He can still rebound like crazy and has championship pedigree.
The problem? He makes a lot of money. When Love signed a four-year, $120 million extension with the Cavs last summer, there was a line of thinking that having Love locked into a long-term contract -- in this age of the nomadic NBA star -- would actually make him more valuable. But Love only played 22 games last season. He hasn't played more than 60 games since 2015-16. Love's extension begins this season at $28.9 million. After that, he will make $31.2 million, $31.2 million and $29.8 million through the 2023 season.
That'll really jam up a team's books.
So it has to be a team that believes the juice is worth the squeeze, that believes it can win a championship with Love and also has the expendable salary to send back to Cleveland in order to make the deal work financially -- and that's assuming said team also has the assets Cleveland would want in the first place.
A Love deal with Portland could work with Hassan Whiteside representing the money and Nassir Little and/or Anfernee Simons representing the assets. Miami could make some sense with Justise Winslow the center of the deal and, say, James Johnson the accompanying salary. Boston probably wouldn't consider giving up the Grizzlies' 2020 first-round pick they own, which is top-six protected and could eventually convey as an unprotected jewel in 2021, when Memphis figures to be in the running for a top-three pick. But the Celtics have four first-round picks over the next two years and Gordon Hayward could make the money work.
Beyond that, after the shock of the D'Angelo Russell deal to Golden State wore off, I started thinking about potential deals for Russell, and for the Warriors, Love makes a lot of sense. The team is obviously ready to win now and Love slots wonderfully as a big stretch four next to Draymond Green in a new version of the Death Lineup. Russell is a young All-Star, and he's set to make nearly the same amount as Love, but the Cavs already have their backcourt in place. Perhaps a third team could get involved, or again, maybe the Cavs end up being willing to move of one of Garland or Sexton, but that likely wouldn't be this season before they've had a chance to really see what they have in each.
You can go down the list, and a lot of teams make sense for Love. The Clippers. The Nuggets. Neither of those teams probably have a package to entice the Cavs, but the Hawks are interesting. They have around $70 million in expiring deals, and in addition to their own first-round picks, they also own the Nets' 2020 first-rounder (protected) and Oklahoma City's 2022 first-rounder (also protected). Moreover, the Hawks project to have almost $70 million cap space next season, meaning Love could fit in with money to spare.
In the end, you have to believe Love ultimately ends up getting moved from Cleveland. Again, the timelines just don't match up. When and where will be two of the more intriguing questions as February's trade deadline approaches, or perhaps even sooner as the Cavs might not want to risk Love getting injured before a deal can be made.
bob
MY NOTE: This would resolve our issues at PF, IF he could stay on the court. I think Hayward is going to pleasantly please us this year but we have a logjam at wing and we all know it. Hayward only has 2 years left on his contract and Love has 3. And as far as Danny giving picks plus Hayward for Love I'd lean the other way. I'd want a pick (or picks, plural) from Cleveland in exchange for taking a 31 year old player who is getting repeatedly injured and has a bigger, longer contract for a 29 year old player who is playing more games, more minutes after his injury and has a shorter contract. Love's strengths are rebounding and outside shooting. Between Kanter, Poirier, Williams and Theis I don't think rebounding will be that bad for us this year. Shooting? Yeah, we could use that from our front court, and Love would fix that, but how badly? In the end, I'd say 'no' to this trade but we all know how Trader Danny is when he fixates on a player and he has been fixated on Kevin Love for years...
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Why the Celtics, Blazers, Heat, Hawks and even the Warriors should kick the tires on a Kevin Love trade with the Cavs
Love's timeline does not fit alongside Cleveland's young movement, but his salary could be tough to swallow
Brad Botkin
mugshotby Brad Botkin Sep 5, 2019 at 12:55 pm ET • 3 min read
On the surface, Kevin Love doesn't appear to make much sense in Cleveland, which is in full rebuild mode around two lottery picks in Collin Sexton and Darius Garland. Love can aid in the development of those two, no question. But he makes a lot of money to be a tutor with a nice pick-and-pop game. The Cavs can't be foolish enough to think they can compete for a playoff spot this season. Why not extract whatever value Love has left in the form of young players and/or assets to pair with Garland and Sexton?
Side note: Depending on how Garland looks, I'm not sure Sexton won't become a trade candidate at some point. This could end up being a Steph Curry/Monta Ellis situation where the organization decides to make a choice between the two rather than move forward with an undersized backcourt. But that's another story for another day, and pure speculation at this point.
For now, Love remains a good player who can help a lot of good teams who think they're one piece from being great. He'll be 31 at the start of the season, and he remains a 20-and-10 talent. He likely wouldn't put those numbers up for a team trading for him, as he makes most sense as a third option next to higher-usage stars, but let's not get it twisted that Love has somehow fallen off a cliff. He can shoot. He can pass. He can still rebound like crazy and has championship pedigree.
The problem? He makes a lot of money. When Love signed a four-year, $120 million extension with the Cavs last summer, there was a line of thinking that having Love locked into a long-term contract -- in this age of the nomadic NBA star -- would actually make him more valuable. But Love only played 22 games last season. He hasn't played more than 60 games since 2015-16. Love's extension begins this season at $28.9 million. After that, he will make $31.2 million, $31.2 million and $29.8 million through the 2023 season.
That'll really jam up a team's books.
So it has to be a team that believes the juice is worth the squeeze, that believes it can win a championship with Love and also has the expendable salary to send back to Cleveland in order to make the deal work financially -- and that's assuming said team also has the assets Cleveland would want in the first place.
A Love deal with Portland could work with Hassan Whiteside representing the money and Nassir Little and/or Anfernee Simons representing the assets. Miami could make some sense with Justise Winslow the center of the deal and, say, James Johnson the accompanying salary. Boston probably wouldn't consider giving up the Grizzlies' 2020 first-round pick they own, which is top-six protected and could eventually convey as an unprotected jewel in 2021, when Memphis figures to be in the running for a top-three pick. But the Celtics have four first-round picks over the next two years and Gordon Hayward could make the money work.
Beyond that, after the shock of the D'Angelo Russell deal to Golden State wore off, I started thinking about potential deals for Russell, and for the Warriors, Love makes a lot of sense. The team is obviously ready to win now and Love slots wonderfully as a big stretch four next to Draymond Green in a new version of the Death Lineup. Russell is a young All-Star, and he's set to make nearly the same amount as Love, but the Cavs already have their backcourt in place. Perhaps a third team could get involved, or again, maybe the Cavs end up being willing to move of one of Garland or Sexton, but that likely wouldn't be this season before they've had a chance to really see what they have in each.
You can go down the list, and a lot of teams make sense for Love. The Clippers. The Nuggets. Neither of those teams probably have a package to entice the Cavs, but the Hawks are interesting. They have around $70 million in expiring deals, and in addition to their own first-round picks, they also own the Nets' 2020 first-rounder (protected) and Oklahoma City's 2022 first-rounder (also protected). Moreover, the Hawks project to have almost $70 million cap space next season, meaning Love could fit in with money to spare.
In the end, you have to believe Love ultimately ends up getting moved from Cleveland. Again, the timelines just don't match up. When and where will be two of the more intriguing questions as February's trade deadline approaches, or perhaps even sooner as the Cavs might not want to risk Love getting injured before a deal can be made.
bob
MY NOTE: This would resolve our issues at PF, IF he could stay on the court. I think Hayward is going to pleasantly please us this year but we have a logjam at wing and we all know it. Hayward only has 2 years left on his contract and Love has 3. And as far as Danny giving picks plus Hayward for Love I'd lean the other way. I'd want a pick (or picks, plural) from Cleveland in exchange for taking a 31 year old player who is getting repeatedly injured and has a bigger, longer contract for a 29 year old player who is playing more games, more minutes after his injury and has a shorter contract. Love's strengths are rebounding and outside shooting. Between Kanter, Poirier, Williams and Theis I don't think rebounding will be that bad for us this year. Shooting? Yeah, we could use that from our front court, and Love would fix that, but how badly? In the end, I'd say 'no' to this trade but we all know how Trader Danny is when he fixates on a player and he has been fixated on Kevin Love for years...
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bobheckler- Posts : 62483
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Re: Why the Celtics, Blazers, Heat, Hawks and even the Warriors should kick the tires on a Kevin Love trade with the Cavs
He does not play a lick of defense so how would he solve the PF issue, if there really is one.
He gets hurt all the time. How much is he making these days. I am not sure Danny is all that interested in him.
He gets hurt all the time. How much is he making these days. I am not sure Danny is all that interested in him.
dboss- Posts : 19200
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Re: Why the Celtics, Blazers, Heat, Hawks and even the Warriors should kick the tires on a Kevin Love trade with the Cavs
this is a no for me. Love is just too injury prone first of all, and of course, in my eyes, I do not see Danny trading Gordon even if the numbers match. He wants to see this guy produce what or close to what he did in Utah. I just do not see this happening. Love may solve some problems, but I see a big backfire with this deal.
RosalieTCeltics- Posts : 41215
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Re: Why the Celtics, Blazers, Heat, Hawks and even the Warriors should kick the tires on a Kevin Love trade with the Cavs
RosalieTCeltics wrote:this is a no for me. Love is just too injury prone first of all, and of course, in my eyes, I do not see Danny trading Gordon even if the numbers match. He wants to see this guy produce what or close to what he did in Utah. I just do not see this happening. Love may solve some problems, but I see a big backfire with this deal.
I agree.
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gyso- Posts : 22988
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Re: Why the Celtics, Blazers, Heat, Hawks and even the Warriors should kick the tires on a Kevin Love trade with the Cavs
this Kevin Love to Boston stuff has been around as far back as when he was with Minnesota.
While Love would fill a need (at least one I see) at power forward, he is simply too old and too injury prone now for any deal to make sense, IMO.
he;s played
60
59
22
games the past three years.
while his per 36 numbers are still elite, to me he has always had empty stats (like Carmelo Anthony).
let someone else take on the bloated deal for this broken down player.
While Love would fill a need (at least one I see) at power forward, he is simply too old and too injury prone now for any deal to make sense, IMO.
he;s played
60
59
22
games the past three years.
while his per 36 numbers are still elite, to me he has always had empty stats (like Carmelo Anthony).
let someone else take on the bloated deal for this broken down player.
kdp59- Posts : 5709
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Re: Why the Celtics, Blazers, Heat, Hawks and even the Warriors should kick the tires on a Kevin Love trade with the Cavs
they made the mistake, now they have to live with it. When LeBron left, Irving was gone, Cleveland was afraid they had no one except Love to attract players. They should have traded him then, cut bait, and taken the nose dive. Sexton may have been a nice pick, but he is not going to carry them anywhere. Now they are stuck trying to get someone to take Love's terrible contract and my guess it will not be easy. At least we have a light at the end of the tunnel with Hayward. My feeling is, he is going to shock alot of non believers. this would be a terrible mistake.
Love's value to Boston has nose dived, sorry Kevin, should have come when they were ready to court you.
Love's value to Boston has nose dived, sorry Kevin, should have come when they were ready to court you.
RosalieTCeltics- Posts : 41215
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Re: Why the Celtics, Blazers, Heat, Hawks and even the Warriors should kick the tires on a Kevin Love trade with the Cavs
Love to Boston? Danny is not insane. End of story.
Re: Why the Celtics, Blazers, Heat, Hawks and even the Warriors should kick the tires on a Kevin Love trade with the Cavs
Yep. Take a pass on this one, Danny.
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dbrown4- Posts : 5591
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Re: Why the Celtics, Blazers, Heat, Hawks and even the Warriors should kick the tires on a Kevin Love trade with the Cavs
Several years ago I would have liked Love a lot more than I do now even though I recognize that the power forward looks to be a weaker spot entering the season.
His injury history and his huge salary scare me off, and think that he only ever plays for the Cs
if he is bought out later in the season or signs a short money one year contract after his current
contract expires.
His injury history and his huge salary scare me off, and think that he only ever plays for the Cs
if he is bought out later in the season or signs a short money one year contract after his current
contract expires.
wideclyde- Posts : 2390
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Re: Why the Celtics, Blazers, Heat, Hawks and even the Warriors should kick the tires on a Kevin Love trade with the Cavs
He would be an ideal small ball center if only he could defend. I agree that his injury history and huge remaining salary comes with a Buyer's Beware notification.wideclyde wrote:Several years ago I would have liked Love a lot more than I do now even though I recognize that the power forward looks to be a weaker spot entering the season.
His injury history and his huge salary scare me off, and think that he only ever plays for the Cs
if he is bought out later in the season or signs a short money one year contract after his current
contract expires.
Would I trade GH for him straight up? Hell f-----g no.
dboss- Posts : 19200
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