Grant vs. Rob in the payoffs

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Post by worcester Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:29 pm

Looking at the playoff stats, I cannot comprehend why Brad takes Rob's minutes and gives them to Grant.

Grant - 170 minutes, 47 points, 26 RB, 5 blocks, 4 TOV, 33 PF, 6 Assists, .577% fg, 2 steals

Rob- 149 minutes, 48 points, 51 RB, 6 blocks, 7 TOV, 18 PF, 10 AST, .742% fg, 3 steals

Grant defense - overall score for the playoffs:  -6..8 points
PIE: 3.8
  per https://stats.nba.com/player/1629684/defense-dash/

Rob defense - overall score for the playoffs -  +5.4 points
PIE:  13.8
per https://stats.nba.com/player/1629057/defense-dash/

HEAD TO HEAD STATS: https://stats.nba.com/vs/#!/?PlayerID=1629684&VsPlayerID=1629057

LOOK at the company Rob is in with his PIE stat:
https://stats.nba.com/players/advanced/?sort=GP&dir=-1

I hate to keep on beating this drum, but Brad has a good deal to learn.
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Post by cowens/oldschool Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:51 pm

I thought same exact thing watching the games.

I even mentioned I don’t think it’s our year this year, that I wanted to see him grow during these playoffs so make sure he plays at least 25 minutes a game, let him play thru mistakes and get first hand experience of playoff basketball.

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Post by bobheckler Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:16 pm

Playoffs:

Player...Mins....3ptfg%...rebs.....asts.....stls....TOs...OffRtg....DefRtg

Grant---170----57.7-----1.5-----.4------.1-----.2-----142------109
Rob-----149----0.0------3.9-----.8------.2------.5----137------105

Not a big difference between total minutes, nor a lot of minutes total. Seems like a lot of todo over not much.

However, Grant played in 17 playoff games while Rob only in 13. So, more mpg for Rob than for Grant. Also, better offense by the team when Grant was on the floor. Grant with a 2:1 assist-to-turnover ratio vs a 1.6:1 for Rob. Grant the obvious better floor spacer, Rob the obvious more effective pnr.


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Post by worcester Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:17 pm

Rebounds and assists matter.
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Post by bobheckler Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:32 pm

worcester wrote:Rebounds and assists matter.

So do turnovers, especially against running teams like Toronto and Miami.
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Post by worcester Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:37 pm


+25 rbs vs +3 turnovers ... clear advantage RW
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Post by dboss Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:02 am

I think it is hard to compare two players with different profiles particularly when one brings a skill set to the game and the other has so-called intangibles.  What are intangibles?

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Just maybe the best way to describe Grant Williams as a player is to say, he really is not a good player. All skilled players have intangibles but all so-called intangibles players do not have substantial skills.
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Post by worcester Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:34 am

Touché!
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