Celtics trade for Evan Fournier

They just said on NBC/SPORTS BOSTON Evan Fournier for 2 second round picks

Yippee!

Cheap trade for a scorer of the bench. Definitely a win trade.

I was hoping for ANY trade to act more as a catalyst than anything so I like the move.

dbrown4 wrote:That didn't cost much!!  That's my middle son's name, too!!

db

D Fournier Brown?


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they used part of the exception as Fournier makes $17 million, I do not know where this is headed as it is being held up with a bigger trade possibly comint (Gordon?) That is where Thompson or Theis comes into play to make numbers match.

This is all greek to me, so I guess I will just wait to see what happens. only 2 1/2 hours left, deadline is 3 PM

Evan Fournier

28 years old (29 in October), 6'7", 205#, 6'8" wingspan.

Per Game.........mpg.....fgas.....fg%......3ptfgas.....3ptfg%.....ftas.....ft%
2020-2021-----30.3----14.2----46.1-----7.2--------38.8-------4.7-----79.7
Career----------28.5----11.5----45.0-----4.9--------37.6-------2.8-----80.6

......................OffRtg.........DefRtg........NetRtg
2020-2021------114----------114----------0
Career-----------108----------112----------minus 4


https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/fournev01.html


A mediocre defender, although he always looked good when he was playing us, but look at the team he's been on.  Vuc is not a good defender and he gets the lion's share of minutes at center.  Jonathon Isaac is a good defender, but he hasn't played all year so he's not there to help pull Fournier's DefRtg down.  Fournier is what he's being billed as, a gunner off the bench.  Half his fgas are 3s, and he's shooting a decent %.  Put him in a system that is designed to create open catch-and-shoot 3s and who knows? Our Lou Williams?


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I sure hope so, I have been begging for a gun slinger for three years. Better than Reddick, only because he is younger, Reddick would have been a one and done probably, so that does not upset me.

I do not get the cap /tpe deal. So, either we are making another deal somewhere to get rid of bodies, or someone gets bought out. Or a give two, get one??? All hard to wrap my head around. What happened to the good old days when you just traded a guy because you wanted to and it did not matter what they made!!

Cant be the exception or could it. It’s Greek to me too but if thats the case it would end up us trading Hayward for Fournier. I doubt it. Better not be.

As I posted in another thread, not a game-changer, but better than doing nothing. Adds some scoring depth which is good. May be a short term type addition, but doesn't appear to cost too much. Eats a part of the big exception but not all and we can't use 100% anyway. By standing pretty much as is, the team can evaluate and make changes this summer.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/fournev01.html

Take a look at his numbers for this season - nearly 20 pts/gm, almost 20 PER, almost  2 game win share. Similar numbers in recent years - for 2 second round picks? I like this...

Just a note he is a free agent next season. But for two seconds , a short term rental is fine.

kdp59 wrote:Just a note he is a free agent next season. But for two seconds , a short term rental is fine.

Brian Robb @BrianTRobb
about 36 minutes ago
Other element with Evan Fournier addition: If Celtics don't re-sign him this offseason, they will have the ability to create...you guessed it...another sizable TPE in a sign-and-trade since they get his Bird Rights as part of the deal.


Bob
MY NOTE:  Bird Rights have value in trades since Danny stays in control.  Robb is saying Danny could get a TPE.  Danny could also do a sign-and-trade with Fournier, perhaps packaged with other assets, for a player he wants because of those Bird Rights.  We've all seen Danny play 3D chess with players before, where he's getting a player because he knows some other GM wants him and then flips him later.  So, this Fournier trade isn't necessarily a short-term rental even if Fournier is gone next year.  Those Bird Rights buys Danny time, if nothing else, and control over Fournier's future in exchange for two 2nd round picks.  While this isn't a blockbuster it is a very good trade in terms of what we gained vs what we paid.


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kdp59 wrote:Just a note he is a free agent next season. But for two seconds , a short term rental is fine.

Yeah, I just realized that, and also that he will eat into a large chunk of the TPE. So, I guess another way of looking at it is that the TPE for losing Hayward was used for a short term mediocre rental.

Been glancing at Magic boards. Most Magic fans are glad to see Orlando blowing it up, complaining that relying on Vuc and Evan for the last few years was a waste. Many also seem like Even, and think he may be a better suited as a 3rd or 4th option in Boston. Guess we will see...

FYI we still have the other two TPE's available until 11/21/2021

I would say this move is more than a tweak but less than a clear path forward.

Shamrock1000 wrote:

kdp59 wrote:Just a note he is a free agent next season. But for two seconds , a short term rental is fine.

Yeah, I just realized that, and also that he will eat into a large chunk of the TPE. So, I guess another way of looking at it is that the TPE for losing Hayward was used for a short term mediocre rental.

Been glancing at Magic boards. Most Magic fans are glad to see Orlando blowing it up, complaining that relying on Vuc and Evan for the last few years was a waste. Many also seem like Even, and think he may be a better suited as a 3rd or 4th option in Boston. Guess we will see...

Rock and Kdp,

1.  We were never going to be able to use the whole TPE on a single player.  NO team would give up a $28M player solely for cap relief.  This was always going to be a multi-player TPE when you got right down to it.

2.  As I pointed out, Fournier comes with Bird Rights.  This moderates the "short-term rental" nature of his expiring contract.  I would also assume that Danny knows what Fournier would want in a future contract, either for resigning with the Celtics or for use in a sign-and-trade over the summer.

3.  While getting Fournier isn't a blockbuster trade acquisition I'm not sure I'd call him mediocre.  I mean, he's averaging 19.7ppg this year!

4.  I agree with the Orlando board comments.  He's not a starter on a team with a shot at the Conference Finals.  He is, however, a proven gunner and our bench production has been spotty and inconsistent to put it nicely.

Is it all I would have liked?  No.  I wanted more depth at point guard, a dominating big and dependable scoring off the bench, which would have been a very tall order for Danny to fill.  Fournier delivers on the last of those three.  If he can help end our 4th quarter scoring swoons we could be in business.


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NYCelt wrote:As I posted in another thread, not a game-changer, but better than doing nothing. Adds some scoring depth which is good. May be a short term type addition, but doesn't appear to cost too much. Eats a part of the big exception but not all and we can't use 100% anyway. By standing pretty much as is, the team can evaluate and make changes this summer.

NYCelt

This is like buying one of those new mattresses on line. Sleep on it for 6 month and return it if you do not like it.

The Celtics are a better team right now. Danny kept Smart and Williams and some of the other kids and his first rounders.

The worse case scenario is that he goes free agency and he leaves. Maybe come next year guys like RW, AN and PP have moved up a notch and maybe the J's have also moved up a notch. Danny will have time to evaluate the situation. Do we get a ring this season? No, but I do not see how we could have won this year because so many teams have improved.

This is a bridge year so we should just walk across it.

Bobh

We were not going to be able to use the full big TPE...period

I still know nothing about this guy so I have no opinion

Lol 17 million... I did not know that.

So I think this has to be related to losing Theis.

I am not sure how much this trade was a good idea anymore...

Not to mention, Danny still has not done ANYTHING to shore up 4-5 posiotions... A good scorer off the bench was on the need to have list, but losing our most experienced 4-5 for getting that... Considering we are the laughing stock of NBA at 4-5...

I don't know anymore... was mcu more excited about this trade before I heard the shipping off of Theis for a bag of chips.

The Fournier trade turns out to be actually 3 or 4 second round picks because the Celtics gave up two second round picks to Charlotte to get the $28M trade exception and got back a conditional second round pick. Still a good trade.

dboss wrote:

NYCelt wrote:As I posted in another thread, not a game-changer, but better than doing nothing. Adds some scoring depth which is good. May be a short term type addition, but doesn't appear to cost too much. Eats a part of the big exception but not all and we can't use 100% anyway. By standing pretty much as is, the team can evaluate and make changes this summer.

NYCelt

This is like buying one of those new mattresses on line.  Sleep on it for 6 month and return it if you do not like it.

The Celtics are a better team right now.  Danny kept Smart and Williams and some of the other kids and his first rounders.  

The worse case scenario is that he goes free agency and he leaves.  Maybe come next year guys like RW, AN and PP have moved up a notch and maybe the J's have also moved up a notch.  Danny will have time to evaluate the situation.  Do we get a ring this season?  No, but I do not see how we could have won this year because so many teams have improved.  

This is a bridge year so we should just walk across it.

dboss,

Yeah, I think it's OK, but not much to get excited about. It's a move like kissing one's sister.

His average minutes played and scoring average are good, but both will probably drop off now that he's in with 4 or 5 other scoring options.

For two seconds and a piece of the TPA that was too big to swallow whole, it's a good move. It's also better than wondering why Nesmith can't get minutes or if Romeo will ever play.

It's another shooter who doesn't defend. He'll probably be the 2 guard in the first or second unit depending on defensive cover needed in the rotations.

Better than sitting still, I guess.

Regards

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/evan-fournier-trade-grades-celtics-adding-vet-a-low-cost-win-magic-get-17m-credit-as-rebuild-finally-starts/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab&utm_content=algorithm




Evan Fournier trade grades: Celtics adding vet a low-cost win; Magic get $17M credit as rebuild finally starts



By Brad Botkin
3 hrs ago



After being in rumors all week about potential trade packages with the Orlando Magic, the Boston Celtics have indeed traded for Evan Fournier, per ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski, with Boston sending Jeff Teague and two second-round picks back to Orlando, all of which was confirmed by The Athletic. Teague is not expected to report to Orlando and will receive a buyout from the Magic allowing him to become an unrestricted free agent.

Let's grade the trade on both sides of the deal.

Orlando receives:

Jeff Teague
BOS • PG • 55
PPG 6.9
APG 2.1
SPG .76
3P/G .765

Two second-round picks


Boston receives:

Evan Fournier
ORL • PG • 10
PPG 19.7
APG 3.7
SPG 1.04
3P/G 2.808



Magic trade grade: B

This is the footnote on the massive Orlando selloff that saw Vucevic routed to Chicago and Gordon to Denver. There was a lot of talk about Fournier being included as part of a bigger deal coupled with one of those two, but once he became the sole player in the deal, Orlando was not going to get a first-round pick or a current player of value for the 28-year-old Fournier, who's on an expiring contract.

The key in doing the deal with Boston is the $28.2 million Gordon Hayward traded player exception that allowed it to absorb Fournier's full $17 million salary, which is to say the Magic didn't have to take any money back. Had they traded Fournier to a team without a TPE at its disposal, Fournier's money would've had to be matched and perhaps that would've meant taking back a contract not set to expire. The run would be if another team was offering better draft picks but with a bad contract attached. We don't know that.

Either way, Orlando now has a $17 million TPE to use this offseason, when it will also have cap room. Or the Magic could operate as an over-the-cap team and simply trade into Fournier's TPE while preserving flexibility for future offseasons as what is sure to be a pretty lengthy rebuild finally commences. Once Fournier wasn't part of a bigger package, the key for Orlando was getting off his deal and activating the TPE. It did that. It's not a home run by any stretch, but mission accomplished.


Celtics trade grade: B+

It's not the big package Celtics fans might've been hoping for. It doesn't include Aaron Gordon or Nikola Vucevic, the latter of whom was traded to Chicago earlier. But Fournier is a legit knock-down shooter who will support Boston's plethora of one-on-one creation with spacing while generating his own offense as well.


Chances are, Fournier will come off the bench for Boston, bolstering its second unit that is extremely short on shooting and playmaking while offering Brad Stevens another closing option in what could become a pretty nasty small-ball five of Kemba Walker, Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown, Fournier and Marcus Smart. Flip out Walker for Robert Williams or Moe Wagner, and that's still a tough lineup to guard.

Fournier is not as good as Gordon Hayward was supposed to be for Boston, but he's a close enough stand-in for the Celtics' needs in the immediacy as they try to jolt their way back into at least conference-finals contention. They, unfortunately, don't create a lot of good looks via ball and player movement, so if you're going to rely on guys making tough shots off individual creation or one-pass actions, you might as well load up on scorers who can make the most of those opportunities.  

Fournier is a free agent this summer, so he could be a rental. If he is, Boston didn't give up much for him in the way of picks, but something tells me Danny Ainge sees Fournier as a long-term fit. John Hollinger of The Athletic floated the possibility of Boston extending Fournier's deal right now and not letting it get to free agency, while also proposing the idea that Boston could send an actual player to the Magic to avoid going over the luxury-tax line. If that happens, which seems likely, it's an even better deal for the Celtics.

As it stands, the Celtics absorb Fournier's full $17 million contract for this season into the $28.2 million traded player exception they had from the Gordon Hayward sign-and-trade with Charlotte this past offseason. In other words, the Celtics give up no players, add no money to their books (assuming they can wiggle under the tax line), retain $10.2 million of the Hayward exception to use this offseason, and still end up with a 20-point scorer/knock-down shooter in Fournier along with his Bird rights should they have to re-sign him as an over-the-cap team this summer.

All for two pretty insignificant second-rounders. Again, it's not a blockbuster deal. Fournier doesn't significantly change the Celtics' high-level equation (I'm still trying to figure out why they didn't jump all over Myles Turner if there was even an inkling of an opening to move Hayward to Indiana before he chose Charlotte), and as such, there's a bit of a letdown that this is the deal that ends up consuming almost two-thirds of the Hayward TPE. We all would've loved to see Fournier come to Boston as part of a package that included Gordon or Vucevic, both of which were rumored. Still, all that said, getting Fournier for what they gave up is a good, solid deal that fills real needs.


Bob
MY NOTE:  Orlando has informed Teague he will be waived and need not report.  He will now be an UFA.  While I was open to trading any and all players with a few exceptions I find it interesting that Nesmith wasn't sent somewhere.  Maybe Brad and Danny are seeing him turn the corner?  Hard to say, but he will not be ahead of Fournier on the depth chart, so maybe just a kitty-corner and not a full 90 degrees. Of our deeper bench players Pritchard and Nesmith have the most value.

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Sean Grande @SeanGrandePBP
2 minutes ago
Some familiar names on this list... Last 2 years: 1600 points, 300 assists on at least 46/39/80 shooting splits... Damian Lillard Zach LaVine JAYSON TATUM Khris Middleton Terry Rozier Paul George EVAN FOURNIER GORDON HAYWARD


Bob
MY NOTE:  Like I've said, NOT "mediocre"


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