Re: Celtics coaching search guide: The candidates and probabilities

by **dboss** Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:34 pm

Vankisa wrote:Good News: Portland might want D'Antoni!
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31631003/sources-mike-dantoni-interview-portland-trail-blazers-head-coaching-job-monday

Take him off the table to we could sleep better !

I second that!

by **bobheckler** Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:28 am

https://us.yahoo.com/sports/report-celtics-hiring-black-candidate-234734063.html

Report: Celtics hiring a Black candidate is a ‘top priority’

Michael Mulford
Mon, June 14, 2021, 4:47 PM

As Brad Stevens and company narrow down their list of top candidates to interview for the vacant head coach position, pinpointing the type of candidate and coach you want to lead your franchise is crucial.

For these potential candidates to replace Stevens, three preferences have become clear in Boston’s search: hire a coach who can relate to players, has playing experience, and is a person of color.

Reported by Jake Fischer of Bleacher Report, team personnel has stayed consistent that hiring a Black coach is a top priority for the Celtics.

For their list of potential candidates, the Celtics have already requested permission to interview Clippers assistant Chauncey Billups. The Celtics have also contacted Bucks assistants Darvin Ham and Charles Lee, Nets assistant Ime Udoka, and Mavericks assistant Jamahl Mosley.

Boston has already interviewed current assistant Jerome Allen.

Fischer also notes that Hawks interim head coach Nate McMillan could be a darkhorse candidate for the Celtics job but is expected to remain with the Hawks and have his interim title dropped after a successful stint this season.

Bob
MY NOTE: Fortunately, there are many qualified available. It doesn't help qualified coaches like Jay Larranagga, though. Having a black coach in a predominantly black league will make recruiting for free agents easier, I think.

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by **worcester** Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:54 am

When Red was chosen to lead the Celtics way back in the day, Jewish players were a big population in the world of basketball players, so no one raised an eyebrow that a Jew would become an NBA head coach. Not so in many other professional fields and social circles where Jewish people were discriminated against.

https://jewishweek.timesofisrael.com/when-basketball-was-jewish/

Searching for black coaches in today's NBA makes more than a lot of sense, and anyone who has a problem with that is an idiot.

by **dbrown4** Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:34 am

Didn't see my choice Sam Cassell in there. Is he out already?

db

by **atcross** Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:39 am

worcester wrote:When Red was chosen to lead the Celtics way back in the day, Jewish players were a big population in the world of basketball players, so no one raised an eyebrow that a Jew would become an NBA head coach. Not so in many other professional fields and social circles where Jewish people were discriminated against.

https://jewishweek.timesofisrael.com/when-basketball-was-jewish/

Searching for black coaches in today's NBA makes more than a lot of sense, and anyone who has a problem with that is an idiot.

One of my favorite memories of the Cs in the 80s was when I realized while watching a game that all of the Cs on the floor were white (Bird, McHale, Ainge, Walton, and Wedman?) and thinking that was unusual. Then I looked at the bench and coach KC. A Black coach and a white team was a sign of progress, not just in the NBA but in America in general. Still a ways to go though.

by **bobheckler** Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:45 pm

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/woj-boston-jerome-allen-join-163625781.html

Woj: Boston’s Jerome Allen to join Detroit Pistons coaching staff as an assistant

Justin Quinn
Tue, June 15, 2021, 9:36 AM

Boston Celtics assistant head coach Jerome Allen appears to be bowing out of the race to become the next head coach of the Celtics, with ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski reporting that Allen will accept a position with the Detroit Pistons as an assistant coach.

Allen had been among several internal candidates interviewing for the position left vacant by now-team president Brad Stevens on his elevation to that role at the end of the 2020-21 NBA season, and also interviewed with the Pistons last week. Whether Allen had knowledge of his chances in Boston, or if he simply decided to go with the safe move, it’s looking like his time as a Celtic is over for the present.

A much-loved member of the team’s coaching staff, Allen will be missed in the organization.

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Detroit is finalizing deals to hire three new assistants to Dwane Casey’s staff: Boston’s Jerome Allen, ex-Indiana assistant Bill Bayno and Sacramento’s Rex Kalamian, sources tell ESPN. Kalamian, Bayno worked for Casey in Toronto. Allen interviewed for Celtics HC job last week.

Given that there will likely be significant turnover in the coaching staff on the hire of whoever the organization settles on however, Allen’s choice makes sense from the perspective of securing a position in the league.

The former Penn head coach had also interviewed with the Portland Trail Blazers for their vacant head coaching position.

Bob

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by **RosalieTCeltics** Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:20 pm

It is strange to me that Allen landed on his feet after the scandal he was involved in. He became a favorite of alot of the Celtics, worked on shooting with many. Travelled with IT when his sister died and stayed with him through the whole awful ordeal. He must be a heck of a guy. Good luck to him, I wonder if Morrison will land a job else where he had an interview also. Funny, never heard a work about Jay Laranaga, I wonder what the deal is with him. He had interviewed for a couple of jobs last year before all hell broke lose. Has been a Celtics coach for years. Just wondering

by **dboss** Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:23 pm

When a new coach comes into an organization he wants to put together his own staff. Sometimes he may retain someone that was on the departing coaches staff.

The issue of a lack of diversity in coaches in the NBA cannot be overlooked. The numbers are striking and have been trending in the wrong direction for several years. 75% of NBA players are black.

I wish this issue was not still with us but it is. The Celtics have found great success in the past with hiring an African American to coach the team and I think going in that direction again would be a good decision.

by **worcester** Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:27 pm

Name one black Celtics head coach who has not won an NBA Champioship for Boston. Please. If you can.

by **RosalieTCeltics** Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:56 pm

I definitely feel that way. I guess there is some pressure from other sources to hire a woman. This is not the right time for this I know the two people are talking about are highly qualified but this is not what this team needs right now. As they say, a time and a place for everything. Bleacher Reports is at it again, when will these guys stop. They have Nate McMillen coming hiere. How could they know that???? He is still playing, isn't any contact with him tampering? I am sure Atlanta would not give permission to talk to him now. And, I bet McMillen only has one thing on his mind right now and that is winning. Why would he leave????

by **worcester** Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:00 pm

Nate simply can not be so stupid that he would talk to anyone about plans to leave ATL during a playoff run. Did not happen.

by **Shamrock1000** Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:00 pm

RosalieTCeltics wrote:I definitely feel that way. I guess there is some pressure from other sources to hire a woman. This is not the right time for this I know the two people are talking about are highly qualified but this is not what this team needs right now. As they say, a time and a place for everything. Bleacher Reports is at it again, when will these guys stop. They have Nate McMillen coming hiere. How could they know that???? He is still playing, isn't any contact with him tampering? I am sure Atlanta would not give permission to talk to him now. And, I bet McMillen only has one thing on his mind right now and that is winning. Why would he leave????

Rosalie - just to confirm what you already know, BR, Hardwood Houdini, and other similar sites are just fan sites. They are nothing like pre-internet sports media. Pre-internet, local papers had beat reporters who were actually around the team (players and management), and thus got to know them and probably had some real insight. The best of those writers worked their way up to positions in national sports media, but maintained real connections with genuine inside knowledge. Sites like BR and HH are nothing more than fans speculating. Bill Simmons started this type of sports writing in the late 90s. Basically, he wrote about sports from the fans' perspective. While Simmons may not be everyone's cup of tea, he was/is a fairly bright guy, and definitely a skillful writer capable of creating entertaining content. All these sites like BR and HH are filled with wanna-be Bill Simmons. They have no more information than any of us, and just speculate to generate content. Unfortunately, they also don't have Simmons' creative gifts. Hence their content is nothing more than clickbait. Comparing them to real sports journalism is like comparing the National Enquirer to the Wall Street Journal. For people who grew up with the internet, the distinction is obvious. For folks who grew up with traditional sports journalism, their endless stream of clickbait drivel can drive you nuts. Try not to let them get under your skin - they are annoying but mostly harmless.

by **RosalieTCeltics** Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:12 pm

I am well aware of what those sites are and who writes for them. My biggest problem is that they get the coverage that they do and people start believing the garbage that is on them. This is a situation of too much . I have read so much stuff in the last year that it almost gets laughable. That is why I believed Danny when he said well over a year or more ago, listen to none of it because most of it never, ever happened. This is what I believe. Most players have been told to stay away from all of these rumors, do not give them credence, but when it continually happens, it has to have an effect on morale. Believed or not.

by **Ktron** Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:21 pm

worcester wrote:Name one black Celtics head coach who has not won an NBA Champioship for Boston. Please. If you can.

Either as a player or a coach? Can’t.

by **Ktron** Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:24 pm

bobheckler wrote:https://us.yahoo.com/sports/report-celtics-hiring-black-candidate-234734063.html

Report: Celtics hiring a Black candidate is a ‘top priority’

Michael Mulford
Mon, June 14, 2021, 4:47 PM

As Brad Stevens and company narrow down their list of top candidates to interview for the vacant head coach position, pinpointing the type of candidate and coach you want to lead your franchise is crucial.

For these potential candidates to replace Stevens, three preferences have become clear in Boston’s search: hire a coach who can relate to players, has playing experience, and is a person of color.

Reported by Jake Fischer of Bleacher Report, team personnel has stayed consistent that hiring a Black coach is a top priority for the Celtics.

For their list of potential candidates, the Celtics have already requested permission to interview Clippers assistant Chauncey Billups. The Celtics have also contacted Bucks assistants Darvin Ham and Charles Lee, Nets assistant Ime Udoka, and Mavericks assistant Jamahl Mosley.

Boston has already interviewed current assistant Jerome Allen.

Fischer also notes that Hawks interim head coach Nate McMillan could be a darkhorse candidate for the Celtics job but is expected to remain with the Hawks and have his interim title dropped after a successful stint this season.

Bob
MY NOTE: Fortunately, there are many qualified available. It doesn't help qualified coaches like Jay Larranagga, though. Having a black coach in a predominantly black league will make recruiting for free agents easier, I think.

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Hopefully thats not the only reason.

by **Ktron** Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:27 pm

atcross wrote:
worcester wrote:When Red was chosen to lead the Celtics way back in the day, Jewish players were a big population in the world of basketball players, so no one raised an eyebrow that a Jew would become an NBA head coach. Not so in many other professional fields and social circles where Jewish people were discriminated against.

https://jewishweek.timesofisrael.com/when-basketball-was-jewish/

Searching for black coaches in today's NBA makes more than a lot of sense, and anyone who has a problem with that is an idiot.

One of my favorite memories of the Cs in the 80s was when I realized while watching a game that all of the Cs on the floor were white (Bird, McHale, Ainge, Walton, and Wedman?) and thinking that was unusual. Then I looked at the bench and coach KC. A Black coach and a white team was a sign of progress, not just in the NBA but in America in general. Still a ways to go though.

?? Progress? We probably need to take that subject off line.

by **willjr** Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:12 pm

worcester wrote:Name one black Celtics head coach who has not won an NBA Champioship for Boston. Please. If you can.

Worcester, do you mean as a coach or as a player?
M.L. Carr and Satch Sanders won as players, neither came close as coaches.

by **dboss** Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:51 pm

Ktron wrote:
atcross wrote:
worcester wrote:When Red was chosen to lead the Celtics way back in the day, Jewish players were a big population in the world of basketball players, so no one raised an eyebrow that a Jew would become an NBA head coach. Not so in many other professional fields and social circles where Jewish people were discriminated against.

https://jewishweek.timesofisrael.com/when-basketball-was-jewish/

Searching for black coaches in today's NBA makes more than a lot of sense, and anyone who has a problem with that is an idiot.

One of my favorite memories of the Cs in the 80s was when I realized while watching a game that all of the Cs on the floor were white (Bird, McHale, Ainge, Walton, and Wedman?) and thinking that was unusual. Then I looked at the bench and coach KC. A Black coach and a white team was a sign of progress, not just in the NBA but in America in general. Still a ways to go though.

?? Progress? We probably need to take that subject off line.

Atcross

I do not understand what you mean. Why did you find it unusual that KC had 5 white Celtic players in a particular lineup together.? You make it sound like black KC Jones was coaching a team made up of only white guys and that was unusual and a sign of progress in your estimation.

by **Ktron** Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:00 pm

dboss wrote:
Ktron wrote:
atcross wrote:
worcester wrote:When Red was chosen to lead the Celtics way back in the day, Jewish players were a big population in the world of basketball players, so no one raised an eyebrow that a Jew would become an NBA head coach. Not so in many other professional fields and social circles where Jewish people were discriminated against.

https://jewishweek.timesofisrael.com/when-basketball-was-jewish/

Searching for black coaches in today's NBA makes more than a lot of sense, and anyone who has a problem with that is an idiot.

One of my favorite memories of the Cs in the 80s was when I realized while watching a game that all of the Cs on the floor were white (Bird, McHale, Ainge, Walton, and Wedman?) and thinking that was unusual. Then I looked at the bench and coach KC. A Black coach and a white team was a sign of progress, not just in the NBA but in America in general. Still a ways to go though.

?? Progress? We probably need to take that subject off line.

Atcross

I do not understand what you mean. Why did you find it unusual that KC had 5 white Celtic players in a particular lineup together.? You make it sound like black KC Jones was coaching a team made up of only white guys and that was unusual and a sign of progress in your estimation.

Good question Dboss. I don’t understand it either.

by **bobheckler** Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:27 pm

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nba-coaching-rumors-stan-van-153006154.html

How Stan Van Gundy firing impacts Celtics

Darren Hartwell

Wed, June 16, 2021, 8:30 AM

The Boston Celtics just got more competition in their search for a head coach.

The Pelicans are parting ways with head coach Stan Van Gundy after just one season, ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski reported Wednesday. That makes New Orleans the fifth team with a head coach vacancy, joining the Celtics, Portland Trail Blazers, Indiana Pacers and Orlando Magic.

Wojnarowski also reported four candidates the Pelicans are expected to interview for their opening: Brooklyn Nets assistants Jacque Vaughn and Ime Udoka, Milwaukee Bucks assistant Charles Lee and Los Angeles Lakers assistant Jason Kidd.

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In search for a replacement, Pelicans are expected to circle back among some candidates from a year ago, including assistants Jacque Vaughn and Ime Udoka (Brooklyn), Charles Lee (Milwaukee) and Jason Kidd (Lakers), sources tell ESPN.

Celtics fans should recognize the names of Udoka and Lee: Boston has already contacted both assistants about interviewing for its head coach job, per reports.

Udoka played seven NBA seasons and worked for Gregg Popovich on the San Antonio Spurs' staff for seven years before stints with the Philadelphia 76ers and Nets, while Lee was an Atlanta Hawks assistant from 2014 to 2018 prior to joining the Bucks.

The C's are casting a wide net in their coaching search and reportedly also have their eye on Los Angeles Clippers assistant Chauncey Billups and Dallas Mavericks assistant Jamahl Mosley, among others. But they now have another team to contend with that apparently already has plans to interview two head coach candidates on their list.

Bob
MY NOTE: All fine and good as long as Brad doesn't now interview SVG, The Master of Disaster. That doesn't seem likely, since there seems to be a preference for an African-American to fill the job and SVG is the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man.

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by **bobheckler** Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:49 pm

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nba-wizards-part-ways-with-head-coach-scott-brooks-153141606.html

Report: Wizards part ways with head coach Scott Brooks after 5 seasons

Liz Roscher

Wed, June 16, 2021, 8:31 AM

Just when you thought there couldn't possibly be anymore earth-shaking NBA news, ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski is reporting that the Washington Wizards are parting ways with head coach Scott Brooks after being unable to come to terms on a new contract.

Adrian Wojnarowski
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Washington and coach Scott Brooks couldn't come to an agreement on a new deal and are agreeing to part ways, sources tell ESPN. Brooks' deal expired after the playoffs.
8:26 AM · Jun 16, 2021

Brooks, 55, has been the Wizards' head coach since 2016, taking them to the playoffs three times in five seasons. Their most recent playoff appearance in 2021 was their first in three years, coming after two years of sub-.500 finishes. The Wizards hadn't even been able to get to a .500 record this season, and they were bounced from the first round of the playoffs in just five games by the Philadelphia 76ers. With such an inconsistent record, Brooks' job hadn't exactly been safe over the past few years, and a quick exit from the playoffs may have sealed his fate.

Washington moving on from Brooks means that there are now six head coach openings in the NBA. The New Orleans Pelicans announced earlier on Wednesday that they fired Stan Van Gundy after just one season. The Boston Celtics, Indiana Pacers, Orlando Magic and Portland Trail Blazers all fired or "parted ways" with their head coaches earlier in the playoff season.

Head coach turnover is nothing new, but Brooks' ouster means that there are now just six head coaches in the NBA who were hired before 2018.

Bobby Marks
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Longest tenured HC in the NBA

1. Gregg Popovich (SAS)
2. Erik Spoelstra (MIA)
3. Rick Carlisle (DAL)
4. Steve Kerr (GSW)
5. Quin Snyder (UTH)
6. Michael Malone (DEN)
7. Scott Brooks (WAS)

The remaining HC were hired in 2018 or later.
8:21 AM · Jun 16, 2021

Bob

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by **worcester** Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:12 pm

willjr - My Bad! I forgot that Satch and ML Carr had been Celtics head coaches,

by **worcester** Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:12 pm

willjr - My Bad! I forgot that Satch and ML Carr had been Celtics head coaches. Fine players, but they were put in as head coaches with an intent to better draft position, IMHO.

by **Ktron** Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:33 pm

bobheckler wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nba-coaching-rumors-stan-van-153006154.html

How Stan Van Gundy firing impacts Celtics

Darren Hartwell

Wed, June 16, 2021, 8:30 AM

The Boston Celtics just got more competition in their search for a head coach.

The Pelicans are parting ways with head coach Stan Van Gundy after just one season, ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski reported Wednesday. That makes New Orleans the fifth team with a head coach vacancy, joining the Celtics, Portland Trail Blazers, Indiana Pacers and Orlando Magic.

Wojnarowski also reported four candidates the Pelicans are expected to interview for their opening: Brooklyn Nets assistants Jacque Vaughn and Ime Udoka, Milwaukee Bucks assistant Charles Lee and Los Angeles Lakers assistant Jason Kidd.

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In search for a replacement, Pelicans are expected to circle back among some candidates from a year ago, including assistants Jacque Vaughn and Ime Udoka (Brooklyn), Charles Lee (Milwaukee) and Jason Kidd (Lakers), sources tell ESPN.

Celtics fans should recognize the names of Udoka and Lee: Boston has already contacted both assistants about interviewing for its head coach job, per reports.

Udoka played seven NBA seasons and worked for Gregg Popovich on the San Antonio Spurs' staff for seven years before stints with the Philadelphia 76ers and Nets, while Lee was an Atlanta Hawks assistant from 2014 to 2018 prior to joining the Bucks.

The C's are casting a wide net in their coaching search and reportedly also have their eye on Los Angeles Clippers assistant Chauncey Billups and Dallas Mavericks assistant Jamahl Mosley, among others. But they now have another team to contend with that apparently already has plans to interview two head coach candidates on their list.

Bob
MY NOTE: All fine and good as long as Brad doesn't now interview SVG, The Master of Disaster. That doesn't seem likely, since there seems to be a preference for an African-American to fill the job and SVG is the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man.

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My question is, how long before the chickens come home to roost for David Griffin.
He fired Alvin Gentry last year after the bubble. The team was injury plagued all that season. Zion came back fat yet David axes Gentry.
Griffin then hires SVG (The Master of panic according to Shaq) on a team friendly deal. Yeah, Stan took much less to take that job because of what was so-called promised to him.
Less than one year later, Griffin fires SVG.
GM’s, Team Presidents etc generally hire their coaches for several reason and one is that if sh** goes bad they have the coach as the fall guy. That helps their tenure and security. if you give have coaches that last 3-4 yrs and then a change is made. It’ll buy time especially for poor GM’s that make that a big part of their reason to hire said coach.
Problem here is that Griffin has changed coaches twice in less than 2 years. His hire, SVG gets fired after one year which means “oops, I made a big mistake. Gotta correct it.”.
After 1 year? I guarantee you that the owners are beginning to look his way with the stank eye. It’s not a good look to fire a coach you hired after 1 year after you fired another coach one year before after being in the job only one year at the time himself.. I don’t care much for Griffin anyway and this further cements my view of him being less than ideal.

Btw, Ingram has played for 4 coaches in 4 years
Zion has played for 3 coaches in 3 years.

Keep an eye on this one.

by **jrleftfoot** Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:45 pm

Somebody else asked earlier, why no mention of Sam Cassell?

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