D-League to adopt FIBA's goaltending and overtime rules

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Like they are saying the goaltending will be easier to officiate which is good in general.

I am guessing it will be more of a change for scoring points than defense, more putbacks/tip ins. It is offensive interference if its within the cylinder right?

Sounds like goons would become more in vogue. I can think of twice when the Celtics would probably have lost the same championship if the FIBA goaltending rule had applied in 1969.

(1) Sam Jones' jumper in game 4, which bounced and rolled around the rim before dropping at the buzzer, with Russell out of the game and Chamberlain standing below the hoop, utterly frustrated because he couldn't goaltend. (That game tied the series 2-2 instead of the Lakers being up 3-1 and heading home.)

(2) Neliie's famous shot that bounced about three feet in the air and dropped straight through 93 seconds before the end of game 7. At least Russell was in there and was about two feet from the basket on that one, but Mel Counts had inside position on him. As it was, the Lakers wound up scoring the last four points of the game, and the Celtics won by only two.

Although the coming season will obviously be an exception, and the Celts did have both Parish and McHale in the 80s, the Celtics have tended (more often than not) to be a finesse team rather than a team that would overpower the opponents. So, if that trend resumes when they build the team around Rondo, I believe they could be hurt more than many teams by this rule.

Sam

I like it. I think it would add some exciting sequences every game with guys trying to time their jumps and knock the ball off (or jam it through) the rim.

I also like getting the NBA rules and Fiba rules in sync. Glad they finally got rid of that trapezoid lane. Would be good if the NBA went to the intl goaltending rules.

Considering the NBA is far and away the best basketball league in the world with almost all the best players from around the world playing here, it's a joke that the rules have been as different as they have for so long. I imagine FIBA was trying to level the playing field a bit for their tournaments and the Olympics by having the US adjust to the intl game, but with most of the best players from all countries playing in the NBA now, I would assume those other countries are now supporting getting the rules in sync. So with the trapezoid lane gone, if the NBA adopts intl goaltending, the rules will be in sync in every important aspect.

What I don't like about this is that players could/will get used to taking the ball off the rim, then they get signed by an NBA team and they have to change the way they rebound, etc.
Why does US basketball need to adopt FIBA rules?
Is this more of a matter of a compromise because FIBA is doing away with the trapezoid?
I don't care a whole lot if they change the goaltending rules but don't do it to appease an international basketball organization or league.

tjmakz wrote:What I don't like about this is that players could/will get used to taking the ball off the rim, then they get signed by an NBA team and they have to change the way they rebound, etc.
Why does US basketball need to adopt FIBA rules?
Is this more of a matter of a compromise because FIBA is doing away with the trapezoid?
I don't care a whole lot if they change the goaltending rules but don't do it to appease an international basketball organization or league.

I agree with TJ. The NBA D-league should be played and reffed under the same rules as the league they are obstensibly preparing these players to play in.

Or is this just a case of "admitting the obvious"? The overwhelming % of D-leaguers aren't going to play in the NBA but they might find a market for their level of talent elsewhere in the world. Makes sense they know how that game is played and reffed then, doesn't it?

bob

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bobheckler wrote:

tjmakz wrote:What I don't like about this is that players could/will get used to taking the ball off the rim, then they get signed by an NBA team and they have to change the way they rebound, etc.
Why does US basketball need to adopt FIBA rules?
Is this more of a matter of a compromise because FIBA is doing away with the trapezoid?
I don't care a whole lot if they change the goaltending rules but don't do it to appease an international basketball organization or league.

I agree with TJ. The NBA D-league should be played and reffed under the same rules as the league they are obstensibly preparing these players to play in.

Or is this just a case of "admitting the obvious"? The overwhelming % of D-leaguers aren't going to play in the NBA but they might find a market for their level of talent elsewhere in the world. Makes sense they know how that game is played and reffed then, doesn't it?

bob

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Bob-

good point. CJ Watson and Anthony Morrow are the rare exceptions to the rule.

I think this is also to see if US fans think it's more exciting to have the live-ball on the rim rules. Personally, I think it is.

So much of the NBA game is about athleticism and playing above the rim, this will only add to it. I think we'll see this in the NBA within a couple of years after they test it out and get feedback in the DLeague.

babyskyhook wrote:

bobheckler wrote:

tjmakz wrote:What I don't like about this is that players could/will get used to taking the ball off the rim, then they get signed by an NBA team and they have to change the way they rebound, etc.
Why does US basketball need to adopt FIBA rules?
Is this more of a matter of a compromise because FIBA is doing away with the trapezoid?
I don't care a whole lot if they change the goaltending rules but don't do it to appease an international basketball organization or league.

I agree with TJ. The NBA D-league should be played and reffed under the same rules as the league they are obstensibly preparing these players to play in.

Or is this just a case of "admitting the obvious"? The overwhelming % of D-leaguers aren't going to play in the NBA but they might find a market for their level of talent elsewhere in the world. Makes sense they know how that game is played and reffed then, doesn't it?

bob

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Bob-

good point. CJ Watson and Anthony Morrow are the rare exceptions to the rule.

I think this is also to see if US fans think it's more exciting to have the live-ball on the rim rules. Personally, I think it is.

So much of the NBA game is about athleticism and playing above the rim, this will only add to it. I think we'll see this in the NBA within a couple of years after they test it out and get feedback in the DLeague.

bsh,

Personally, I hope it doesn't catch on. If it does, then there won't be any reason to play good position defense since all you have to do is hope they don't 'swish' so the hyperthyroid cases guarding the baseline can swat it away anyway.

Let's not forget about Anthony Tolliver, formerly with GSW and now with Minny, and Josh Powell, formerly with the Mavs and GSW and LAC and LAL, now with Charlotte. Gotta say this for Nelly, he knows his system and he knows what kind of players will play well in it and he really gave all of the above players their 15 minutes of fame, which they have converted into currency. Another D-leaguer who is now an NBAer and will stick is Reggie Williams, of (you guessed it) GSW.

bob

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Statistically, does a player get credited for a blocked shot for hitting it off of the rim? Do they get a rebound for tapping it to another player off of the rim?
It will be interesting to see if this has legs in the NBA.
I am ok with a 3 minute OT instead of 5.

As usual, David Stern and the babbling idiots on 5th avenue beat all around the bush and never get to the core problem.

It isnt about the players talking to the refs, or the length of the 3 pt line, or whether you can grab it off the rim....it is about the utterly mediocre men he dresses in stripes - who call the game different every few minutes and different for player A vs player B.

This is like adding more concession stands and beer sellers and souvenir counters around Fenway Park - without FIRST fixing the foundation of the building. Wont make a difference how pretty the league is from the outside if the core is ROTTEN.

kleen,

There are 7 new referees this year, so maybe the results will be better...???

That is a good start...but it is the DIRECTION they get (or lack thereof) from the league that is the problem.

There is no reason why smaller, less talented players in FIFA get to hand check and bump a little - but NBA players cannot. There is no reason why a game in the NBA Finals should be decided by someone outside of the players.

NBA is by far the worst of the major 4 sports in terms of consistency and fairness. I love basketball, but when a friend that doesn't tells me why - 99% of it has to do with then not understanding what is and is not a foul - and them feeling there is often no flow to an NBA game. I think they are right on both accounts.