Parker and Fernandez stick

by **atcross** Sat Oct 16, 2021 8:34 pm

https://www.celticsblog.com/2021/10/16/22730142/report-boston-celtics-make-roster-cuts-theo-pinson-garrison-mathews-chris-clemons-jabari-parker

Looks like Jabari and Bruno are on the roster. I think Parker was a no brainer. Even with no defense he's obviously an NBA player with a ++ offense. And I think he's trying to play defense. If we can tolerate Kantor's defense we should be able to tolerate Parker. I think Kantor's problem is more of a physical limitation. Parker is more of a learning issue. But as a 14/15 man he's a terrific bargain. And unlike Schroder he can come back next year.

by **bobheckler** Sun Oct 17, 2021 1:11 am

Of the 5 players who have been cut 4 of them will go to Maine. Only Garrison Matthews will remain a free agent.

The question, in my opinion, is not "if we can tolerate Kantor's defense we should be able to tolerate Parker's", it's "can we tolerate both of them?". Well, it's good to have a "in case of emergency, break glass" type of player, like Gerald Green was for us that year. He saved us from Playoff Rondo in Chicago and then faded to black. But two of them?

There have been articles written that questioned if we have enough offense with the departures of Kemba and Fournier. Well, I guess Kanter and Parker are the answers. What's good, I suppose, is that Kemba and Fournier pretty much expected, and was going to receive, extensive minutes but neither Kanter nor Parker expect that. We had to suffer with Kemba and Fournier's defense for big minutes, we won't have to with K & P. We insert them when we need offense and rebounding and we pull them when we don't. They're bench players, Kanter might not even crack the top 10 rotation, not starters like Kemba and Fournier.

Besides, we're really thin at 4. I started off very hopeful with Bruno and Gomez but neither of them have impressed so far. That leaves Horford, Tatum and Grant at 4 and that's not enough depth to make me happy since both Horford and Tatum are part-time 4s. So having Parker for a "break glass" 4 is ok.

Ime the Enforcer will make it clear to Parker what the impact of his not playing hard on defense will be. Parker said "nobody pays players to play defense in the NBA". Ime and Brad will remind Parker who decides who gets paid and who doesn't.

Bob

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by **cowens/oldschool** Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:37 am

Off topic but….

It’s going to be really interesting to see how everything works out at PG this year, thankfully we do have very good quality depth this year. While I love Smart and the toughness he brings, I don’t know if he is a full time PG on a championship team. No question, Schroder has more quickness and better finishing ability than Smart and PP looks to be the best shooter of the bunch and could easily develop into one of the best 3 point marksman in the league this year. However I don’t think PP is that durable, and he may be perfect as a long range sniper coming off the bench. For that matter Smart always plays too tough for his body, and misses stretches every year. From what I’ve seen of Schroder he definitely has the scoring ability and vision to run this team.

by **NYCelt** Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:17 am

Parker’s knees are the one thing that kept him from being an NBA star. You can’t be a top defender with those bad wheels. Fortunately offense doesn’t put nearly the same load on the knees. When it comes to scoring Parker is still able to put in an excellent stat line when called on, and he comes at a bargain price. Bruno, well I don’t know what you do with him. There is such a void to fill when it comes to quality bigs that almost any big will do if he’s basically a practice player and emergency lifeline.

On an NBA roster of 15 + 2 players, there is room for a few one dimensional specialists. Beyond the first 6 or 7 this isn’t looking like a an especially strong roster compared to others who are expected to be top 8 in the East. Guys like Parker, Kanter and Schroeder, who are bound to be specialists or role players with limits in skills or time with the team, may prove to have some value at times. If each can contribute to a win or two over the season, that may be enough to grab a playoff spot.

by **bobheckler** Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:57 am

Garrison Mathews Declined Two-Way Deal With Celtics
OCT 17, 2021 10:12 AM

The Boston Celtics wanted to convert Garrison Mathews to a Two-Way contract, as opposed to waiving him. Mathews declined that deal. He's now an unrestricted free agent.

After playing the first two years of his career on Two-Way contracts with the Washington Wizards, Mathews believes he's earned a standard NBA deal. Mathews became a key starter for the Wizards late last season and into the playoffs.

In 82 games (24 starts) over two season, Mathews has averaged 5.5 points per game. He's a career 38.9% shooter on three-pointers.

Boston remains with one open Two-Way spot. Indications are that the Celtics will fill that spot before the regular season starts for them on Wednesday, October 20.

Bob
MY NOTE: He's going for broke. Good luck to him.

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by **dboss** Sun Oct 17, 2021 12:00 pm

I am not one bit surprised that Parker and Fernando made the final cut. Parker played well enough during preseason to be on this team and depth at center, with the uncertainty of RW health and reliance on a 35 year old AL Horford, makes Bruno somewhat of a no brainer.

We have depth on this team. However, that depth is heavily reliant on several young and still developing players. The question therefore centers around expectations for YOY quality improvement from guys like Grant, Langford, Nesmith and Pritchard. How quickly can they become everyday players.

by **dboss** Sun Oct 17, 2021 12:02 pm

bobheckler wrote:Garrison Mathews Declined Two-Way Deal With Celtics
OCT 17, 2021 10:12 AM

The Boston Celtics wanted to convert Garrison Mathews to a Two-Way contract, as opposed to waiving him. Mathews declined that deal. He's now an unrestricted free agent.

After playing the first two years of his career on Two-Way contracts with the Washington Wizards, Mathews believes he's earned a standard NBA deal. Mathews became a key starter for the Wizards late last season and into the playoffs.

In 82 games (24 starts) over two season, Mathews has averaged 5.5 points per game. He's a career 38.9% shooter on three-pointers.

Boston remains with one open Two-Way spot. Indications are that the Celtics will fill that spot before the regular season starts for them on Wednesday, October 20.

Bob
MY NOTE: He's going for broke. Good luck to him.

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Not surprised. Even if he made the 15 man roster he would have limited opportunities to play.

by **atcross** Sun Oct 17, 2021 12:32 pm

bobheckler wrote:
Ime the Enforcer will make it clear to Parker what the impact of his not playing hard on defense will be. Parker said "nobody pays players to play defense in the NBA". Ime and Brad will remind Parker who decides who gets paid and who doesn't.

Bob

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I don't know Parker but I would say there's a better than fair chance, given the collapse his career following that statement three years ago, that he is rethinking that belief. Or at least he's rethinking saying something like that out loud.

by **atcross** Sun Oct 17, 2021 12:46 pm

cowens/oldschool wrote:Off topic but….

It’s going to be really interesting to see how everything works out at PG this year, thankfully we do have very good quality depth this year. While I love Smart and the toughness he brings, I don’t know if he is a full time PG on a championship team. No question, Schroder has more quickness and better finishing ability than Smart and PP looks to be the best shooter of the bunch and could easily develop into one of the best 3 point marksman in the league this year. However I don’t think PP is that durable, and he may be perfect as a long range sniper coming off the bench. For that matter Smart always plays too tough for his body, and misses stretches every year. From what I’ve seen of Schroder he definitely has the scoring ability and vision to run this team.

Schroder may be the best PG on the roster at the moment. But We've had musical chairs at the PG for years now and I think it's time we got the team some stability in that position. With Schroder we're just throwing another guy in with the Js, knowing that he won't be here next year. Considering his situation and ours I'd much rather see him as a backup. And, as I've said before, we need at least one player that IS a point guard, not CAN PLAY the point. Smart can play the point but I don't see him thriving in that role. And I don't see Tatum doing it well enough for him to be a point forward. I think until someone else who is long term comes along, Payton is our PG. Why do you say he isn't durable? Has he had more injuries than average?

by **RosalieTCeltics** Sun Oct 17, 2021 1:47 pm

Brad Stevens has said he is holding that two way contract up for a bit. All the teams have made their cuts, for the most part. Did anyone cut impress? I have no clue here. I am glad Parker got his shot to continue on this team. I hope he has learned from his past that offense is not the only thing that will keep him here, but, for whatever minutes he may see, he was the best of the rest.
I know Fernando is a big body, but I have not been impressed with him. Maybe he has shown little in practice to give him the minutes to show us anything impressive. If I were him, I would not go out and buy a condo, my guess is his time here will be short lived.

by **RosalieTCeltics** Sun Oct 17, 2021 2:47 pm

Celtics are waiving Jabari Parker, per Celtics Blog, this pm

by **cowens/oldschool** Sun Oct 17, 2021 3:38 pm

atcross wrote:
cowens/oldschool wrote:Off topic but….

It’s going to be really interesting to see how everything works out at PG this year, thankfully we do have very good quality depth this year. While I love Smart and the toughness he brings, I don’t know if he is a full time PG on a championship team. No question, Schroder has more quickness and better finishing ability than Smart and PP looks to be the best shooter of the bunch and could easily develop into one of the best 3 point marksman in the league this year. However I don’t think PP is that durable, and he may be perfect as a long range sniper coming off the bench. For that matter Smart always plays too tough for his body, and misses stretches every year. From what I’ve seen of Schroder he definitely has the scoring ability and vision to run this team.
Schroder may be the best PG on the roster at the moment. But We've had musical chairs at the PG for years now and I think it's time we got the team some stability in that position. With Schroder we're just throwing another guy in with the Js, knowing that he won't be here next year. Considering his situation and ours I'd much rather see him as a backup. And, as I've said before, we need at least one player that IS a point guard, not CAN PLAY the point. Smart can play the point but I don't see him thriving in that role. And I don't see Tatum doing it well enough for him to be a point forward. I think until someone else who is long term comes along, Payton is our PG. Why do you say he isn't durable? Has he had more injuries than average?

If he has a great year, would hope there is some way to keep him, clearly he’s a better offensive pg than Smart. On PP, he’s not that athletic, even though he is a lights out shooter, think it’s better to keep him fresh as a sniper to get the most out of him. Extended minutes against bigger faster players with a lot of effort could take away from his efficiency.

by **Ktron** Sun Oct 17, 2021 3:41 pm

cowens/oldschool wrote:Off topic but….

It’s going to be really interesting to see how everything works out at PG this year, thankfully we do have very good quality depth this year. While I love Smart and the toughness he brings, I don’t know if he is a full time PG on a championship team. No question, Schroder has more quickness and better finishing ability than Smart and PP looks to be the best shooter of the bunch and could easily develop into one of the best 3 point marksman in the league this year. However I don’t think PP is that durable, and he may be perfect as a long range sniper coming off the bench. For that matter Smart always plays too tough for his body, and misses stretches every year. From what I’ve seen of Schroder he definitely has the scoring ability and vision to run this team.

PP looks to be the best shooter of the bunch and could easily develop into one of the best 3 point marksman in the league this year.

Maybe someday but this year? For that to come to fruition, Curry, Harden, Trae and a few others would have to retire.

by **cowens/oldschool** Sun Oct 17, 2021 5:02 pm

Ktron wrote:
cowens/oldschool wrote:Off topic but….

It’s going to be really interesting to see how everything works out at PG this year, thankfully we do have very good quality depth this year. While I love Smart and the toughness he brings, I don’t know if he is a full time PG on a championship team. No question, Schroder has more quickness and better finishing ability than Smart and PP looks to be the best shooter of the bunch and could easily develop into one of the best 3 point marksman in the league this year. However I don’t think PP is that durable, and he may be perfect as a long range sniper coming off the bench. For that matter Smart always plays too tough for his body, and misses stretches every year. From what I’ve seen of Schroder he definitely has the scoring ability and vision to run this team.

PP looks to be the best shooter of the bunch and could easily develop into one of the best 3 point marksman in the league this year.

Maybe someday but this year? For that to come to fruition, Curry, Harden, Trae and a few others would have to retire.

Harden and Trae actually do not have the best efficiency, but they do so many other things extremely well that just the threat of the 3 kills you.

by **atcross** Sun Oct 17, 2021 5:43 pm

RosalieTCeltics wrote:Celtics are waiving Jabari Parker, per Celtics Blog, this pm

Okay, so much for that.

by **Ktron** Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:28 pm

cowens/oldschool wrote:
Ktron wrote:
cowens/oldschool wrote:Off topic but….

It’s going to be really interesting to see how everything works out at PG this year, thankfully we do have very good quality depth this year. While I love Smart and the toughness he brings, I don’t know if he is a full time PG on a championship team. No question, Schroder has more quickness and better finishing ability than Smart and PP looks to be the best shooter of the bunch and could easily develop into one of the best 3 point marksman in the league this year. However I don’t think PP is that durable, and he may be perfect as a long range sniper coming off the bench. For that matter Smart always plays too tough for his body, and misses stretches every year. From what I’ve seen of Schroder he definitely has the scoring ability and vision to run this team.

PP looks to be the best shooter of the bunch and could easily develop into one of the best 3 point marksman in the league this year.

Maybe someday but this year? For that to come to fruition, Curry, Harden, Trae and a few others would have to retire.

Harden and Trae actually do not have the best efficiency, but they do so many other things extremely well that just the threat of the 3 kills you.

True that!

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