Point Guards - An Era 0f dominance?
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Point Guards - An Era 0f dominance?
I do not recall a time when there were so many truly impressive Point Guards in the league at the same time. I think there are three groups in the mix.
The Old Guards
Jason Kidd
Steve Nash
Tony Parker
The Young Veterans
Rajon Rondo
Chris Paul
Devon Williams
The Up and Coming
Derrick Rose
Russell Westbrook
John Wall (soon to be rookie of the year)
Other than John Walls' Washington Wizzards team, these PG's are having a significant impact on their respective teams.
The Old Guards
Jason Kidd
Steve Nash
Tony Parker
The Young Veterans
Rajon Rondo
Chris Paul
Devon Williams
The Up and Coming
Derrick Rose
Russell Westbrook
John Wall (soon to be rookie of the year)
Other than John Walls' Washington Wizzards team, these PG's are having a significant impact on their respective teams.
dboss- Posts : 19220
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Re: Point Guards - An Era 0f dominance?
I'd add Chauncy Billups to the old guard. But I know what you mean that there's a lot of talent at the position.
But as the current Lakers, the Jordan Bulls and the post-Archibald Bird era Celtics have shown you don't necessarily need a classic pg to win.
But as the current Lakers, the Jordan Bulls and the post-Archibald Bird era Celtics have shown you don't necessarily need a classic pg to win.
carpecarpium1- Posts : 23
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Rajon is averaging 15 assistasis holy shitski.
I aint been able to see many games...workin. Just saw that stat. Wow.
jeb- Posts : 6165
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Re: Point Guards - An Era 0f dominance?
jeb wrote:
Rajon is averaging 15 assistasis holy shitski.
I aint been able to see many games...workin. Just saw that stat. Wow.
jebaroo,
The record for most assists/game for a season is held by John Stockton (14.5). The #2 spot is held by John Stockton (14.3). #3 is Isiah at 13.9 and Mr. Stockton owns #4-6.
That should put into perspective what 15.1 assists/game means. We're only 10 games in, so we don't know how it'll end up, but WOW!!
What I'm enjoying is HOW he's doing it. We know that Stockton got a lot of his assists feeding Malone. Rondo has upped his average by ADDING Shaq to his dish list, while still feeding Ray, KG etal and Shaq has been finishing at a higher % than his career average. Think of that. One of, if not THE, most physically punishing centers of all-time is shooting at a higher percentage now at age 38 than his career average. Some of that credit has to go to the man who is getting him the ball where he wants it and can do the most damage with it.
bob
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bobheckler- Posts : 62620
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Re: Point Guards - An Era 0f dominance?
Rondo is not only leading the league in assists but his total assists are a full 1/3 more than the next player 151 to 101 for Deron Williams.
http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Assists.jsp?league=00&season=22010&conf=OVERALL&position=0&splitType=9&qualified=N&yearsExp=-1&sortOrder=1&splitDD=All Teams
There are only 4 players with an average of 10+ assists, and second to RR 15.1 is Jason Kidd with 10.5.
Who knows where it will end up but if this team can remain healthy and with the addition of another good shooter West, Rondo could certainly set new standards. (just wish he could shoot 75% from the stripe!)
beat
http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Assists.jsp?league=00&season=22010&conf=OVERALL&position=0&splitType=9&qualified=N&yearsExp=-1&sortOrder=1&splitDD=All Teams
There are only 4 players with an average of 10+ assists, and second to RR 15.1 is Jason Kidd with 10.5.
Who knows where it will end up but if this team can remain healthy and with the addition of another good shooter West, Rondo could certainly set new standards. (just wish he could shoot 75% from the stripe!)
beat
beat- Posts : 7032
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Re: Point Guards - An Era 0f dominance?
Rondo is the most athletic point guard in the league, which is saying something, and he uses his athleticism, body control, and court vision extremely well to deliver the ball to his teammates. He's not the best all-around point guard, but I don't see anyone better at setting up his teammates, which of course leads to a great assists average. But it's early in the season; let's not chisel his name next to Stockton just yet.
What is a concern is that the Celtics have three players in the top 20 and two in the top five for minutes per game:
3 - Rondo
5 - Ray
16 - Pierce
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011_leaders.html
I'm surprised to see this. I thought their depth would allow them to play these guys fewer minutes.
Outside
What is a concern is that the Celtics have three players in the top 20 and two in the top five for minutes per game:
3 - Rondo
5 - Ray
16 - Pierce
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011_leaders.html
I'm surprised to see this. I thought their depth would allow them to play these guys fewer minutes.
Outside
Outside- Posts : 3019
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Outside
That is downright scary. TOO many minutes for RA and PP, and a bit to much for RR too but Nate has looked better lately.
Our depth "may" have been a bit overrated, We are all hopefull that the ability for west to now play will cut all three of these perhaps by as much as 5 MPG.......we shall see.
beat
That is downright scary. TOO many minutes for RA and PP, and a bit to much for RR too but Nate has looked better lately.
Our depth "may" have been a bit overrated, We are all hopefull that the ability for west to now play will cut all three of these perhaps by as much as 5 MPG.......we shall see.
beat
beat- Posts : 7032
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Re: Point Guards - An Era 0f dominance?
Regarding this being a golden age for point guards, I think there's two parts to that -- an exceptional group of point guards, and a decline in quality big men. With the decline of Shaq and Duncan, Dwight Howard is the best big man in the league, almost by default, but he is so limited offensively that he's not on a par with the historically great centers. There are a few other good big men out there -- Brook Lopez, Andrew Bogut, Chris Kaman at times, Joakim Noah -- but there's no depth of quality players like there is at point guard. Yao and Bynum would probably be among the best if they could overcome their injury problems.
I suppose these things run in cycles. For now, I'm enjoying the glut of good point guards.
And I'd definitely put Chauncey in the "old guard" group. I'd take him any day over Parker.
Outside
I suppose these things run in cycles. For now, I'm enjoying the glut of good point guards.
And I'd definitely put Chauncey in the "old guard" group. I'd take him any day over Parker.
Outside
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Re: Point Guards - An Era 0f dominance?
Outside wrote:Rondo is the most athletic point guard in the league, which is saying something, and he uses his athleticism, body control, and court vision extremely well to deliver the ball to his teammates. He's not the best all-around point guard, but I don't see anyone better at setting up his teammates, which of course leads to a great assists average. But it's early in the season; let's not chisel his name next to Stockton just yet.
What is a concern is that the Celtics have three players in the top 20 and two in the top five for minutes per game:
3 - Rondo
5 - Ray
16 - Pierce
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011_leaders.html
I'm surprised to see this. I thought their depth would allow them to play these guys fewer minutes.
Outside
I'd expect both Rondo's and Ray's minutes to go down after Delonte West gets worked into the rotation.
carpecarpium1- Posts : 23
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Re: Point Guards - An Era 0f dominance?
To no one in particular,
If Doc keeps insisting on having either Pierce or Ray play with the bench, either Nate's or Quis' minutes could be curtailed with West in there. I personally hope Doc will play five bench players together because they have the depth to do that. But we'll see.
Sam
If Doc keeps insisting on having either Pierce or Ray play with the bench, either Nate's or Quis' minutes could be curtailed with West in there. I personally hope Doc will play five bench players together because they have the depth to do that. But we'll see.
Sam
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