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Post by gyso Sat Apr 01, 2023 11:53 am

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BEN ROHRBACH
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Each week during the 2022-23 NBA season, we will take a deeper dive into some of the league’s biggest storylines in an attempt to determine whether the trends are based more in fact or fiction moving forward.

Is Michael Jordan also the GOAT of the NBA's worst current team owners?

Michael Jordan is the greatest player in the history of basketball. He made the NBA a global brand. The Chicago Bulls sold for $16.2 million in 1985. They are worth $4.1 billion today. Jordan is a primary reason for that growth. He deserves every cent the sport can possibly repay him over the course of a lifetime.

Jordan is also a trailblazing businessman, serving as the NBA's lone non-white principal owner for nearly a decade after purchasing a majority stake in the Charlotte Hornets for $275 million in 2010. He became the first billionaire athlete six years later, the same year Barack Obama awarded him the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Jordan's philanthropy includes donations of $100 million "to organizations dedicated to ensuring racial equality, social justice and greater education," $10 million to Make-A-Wish America, $5 million to the Smithsonian’s National Museum of African American History and Culture, plus millions more elsewhere.

The man is an icon. Maybe the icon.

News broke Thursday that Jordan plans to sell his majority stake in the Charlotte Hornets, maybe for another billion, retaining a minority share in the franchise. No word on whether he will retain the title of "managing member of basketball operations," which he first assumed as a minority shareholder in 2006.

These caveats are necessary before we reach another conclusion that is less heady in the grand scheme: Jordan's record as an executive at the helm of a basketball operations department is abominable.

He hired former Bulls teammate Rod Higgins as general manager in 2007, followed by Rich Cho in 2011 and fellow University of North Carolina alum Mitch Kupchak in 2018, but Jordan is always the biggest voice in the room. Charlotte has been his NBA home since he assumed control of basketball operations in 2006.

Kemba Walker is the only home run Jordan ever hit with the Hornets, and Charlotte even drafted Bismack Biyombo two spots ahead of him. His batting average on first-round draft picks is worse than the .202 he hit with the Double-A Birmingham Barons. The draft record is somehow even worse than this first glance:

2006: 3. Adam Morrison

2007: 22. Jared Dudley

2008: 9. D.J. Augustin, 20. Alexis Ajinca

2009: 12. Gerald Henderson

2011: 7. Biyombo, 9. Walker

2012: 2. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist

2013: 4. Cody Zeller

2014: 9. Noah Vonleh, 26. P.J. Hairston

2015: 9. Frank Kaminsky

2017: 11. Malik Monk

2018: 12. Miles Bridges

2019: 12. P.J. Washington

2020: 3. LaMelo Ball

2021: 11. James Bouknight, 19. Kai Jones

2022: 15. Mark Williams

Only a handful of them ever made it to a second contract with the Hornets.

Morrison is one of the all-time busts, even if the 2006 draft was no great shakes. Tyrus Thomas went fourth that year to Chicago. Not to worry: Jordan traded a future first-round pick to acquire Thomas in 2010, gave him a five-year, $40 million contract and applied the stretch provision to that deal inside of three seasons.

Jordan traded his No. 8 overall pick in 2007, when Joakim Noah was still on the board, in exchange for Jason Richardson, who Charlotte flipped a year later — with Dudley — for Raja Bell, Boris Diaw and Sean Singletary. Only Diaw lasted the year, and he eventually quit on the Hornets because "losing was tough."

In 2008, Jordan drafted Augustin ninth overall, one spot ahead of Brook Lopez, and then traded another future first-round pick to grab Ajinça at No. 20. From 2012-14, the Hornets spent top-10 picks on Kidd-Gilchrist, Zeller and Vonleh when multiple future multi-time All-Stars were still available each season.

The coup de grâce may have come in 2015, when Jordan reportedly rejected an offer of four first-round picks from the Boston Celtics, including the one that became Jaylen Brown, in order to draft Kaminsky.

In eight different seasons as a player, Michael Jordan played in more playoff games than his Charlotte Hornets have in the 17 years he has served as a team owner. (Jeremy Brevard/USA Today Sports)
In eight different seasons as a player, Michael Jordan played in more playoff games than his Charlotte Hornets have in the 17 years he has served as a team owner. (Jeremy Brevard/USA Today Sports)
Over the next four seasons, Jordan's Hornets traded their first-round pick for Marco Belinelli in 2016, drafted Monk at No. 11 over Donovan Mitchell (No. 13) and Bam Adebayo (No. 14) in 2017, swapped the No. 11 pick (Shai Gilgeous-Alexander) for No. 12 (Bridges) in 2018 and selected Washington immediately ahead of Tyler Herro in 2019. Too many unfortunate decisions for them all to just be bad luck.

Time will tell if the selection of Ball will grant the Hornets a reprieve from draft misery. He was an All-Star replacement in his second season. He could not stay healthy this season, eventually fracturing his right ankle last month. There are already rumblings he could request a trade from Charlotte in the future.

To build around Ball, the Hornets drafted Bouknight 11th overall and traded another protected first-round pick to nab Jones at No. 19. Neither has been a regular in the rotation for a 22-win team this season. This past June, Charlotte dropped down from No. 13 (Jalen Duren) to No. 15, taking Williams, who was regularly listed as a "DNP — coach's decision" until after Christmas. The Hornets will have two first-round picks this year, when theirs will be in the Victor Wembanyama sweepstakes, so hope never dies.

Jordan regularly trades his second-round picks, and his Hornets are one of two teams to never pay the luxury tax. As a reminder: Jordan also led the charge during the 2011 lockout among a group of hard-line owners who slashed the players' share of basketball-related income from 57% to 50%. As Howard Beck noted in the moment for The New York Times, it was Jordan who, as a player during the previous lockout, told then-Washington Wizards owner Abe Pollin, "If you can’t make a profit, you should sell your team."

If only profits were the excuse for Charlotte's abysmal record in free agency. Any expectation that Jordan's greatest asset as an owner would be his ability to woo players to the Hornets has long since subsided. His recruitment has delivered little more than distressed assets. The Hornets signed a hobbled Al Jefferson away from the Utah Jazz in 2013. He cracked the All-NBA third team in his first season for Charlotte, tore his meniscus the following year in the same knee he had previously torn his ACL and was never the same.

Jordan's free-agent signings include the fading NBA dreams of Lance Stephenson, Jeremy Lin, Roy Hibbert, Michael Carter-Williams and Tony Parker from 2014-18. His high-profile recruits end with the oft-injured Gordon Hayward in 2020 (four years, $120 million!). There are no free-agent diamonds in the rough for the Hornets, either. Christian Wood may have been if they had not declined his minimal option in 2017.

If you have not liked what you have seen in drafts or free agency, trades have been no better. Emeka Okafor for Tyson Chandler in 2009 might have been a decent one, if the Hornets had not dealt the future Defensive Player of the Year after one season for three guys who could not make their rotation. Likewise, the trade of Gerald Wallace for two first-round picks could have worked out, had Charlotte not discarded both picks in years to come. Charlotte traded Henderson and Vonleh for Nicolas Batum in 2015, gave the Frenchman a five-year, $120 million contract a year later and waived him before the deal reached its merciful end in 2021.

It is a task to find trades of consequence during Jordan's reign. Charlotte's acquisition of Stephen Jackson in 2009 yielded his last two quality seasons, neither of which resulted in a single playoff victory. Mostly, the Hornets are trading one bad contract for another, often recycling players who failed previously in Charlotte.

The Jordan era has produced three playoff appearances in 17 seasons, all first-round exits, two of them sweeps. Their seven-year playoff drought will be the NBA's longest when the Sacramento Kings reach the postseason this year for the first time since 2006. Charlotte and the Minnesota Timberwolves are otherwise tied for the fewest playoff victories (three) since Jordan joined the Hornets' ownership group 17 years ago.

The New York Knicks are the only other team with single-digit playoff wins in a span when more than two-thirds of the league has 10 times as many postseason victories as the Hornets. We can only concede that Jordan is a superior team owner to the Knicks' James Dolan in every aspect except fielding a winner.

Fact: For as awe-inspiring as Jordan was as a great basketball player, he is equally so as a bad team owner.


My comment: It's like the Hornets had their own version of Rick Pitino for 13-17 long seasons. I don't know how much control over player transactions he had in the first four years, but after 2010, it seemed like he had total control.

I am also not so sure that he gets to claim to be a great businessman because his investment in the Bobcats increased by over 200% (+/-) during his time at the helm, depending on final sale amount. Every team in the NBA increased their value, but that is more to do with the NBA in general and not so much just Charlotte. Imagine how much the team would be worth if he had helped create a winning team during his tenure.

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Post by cowens/oldschool Sat Apr 01, 2023 9:58 pm

Wow knew he was bad, but didn’t know he was that historically inept. Remember Morrison, Kaminsky, Kidd Gilchrist very well, all historic busts. Supposedly MJ ended his friendship with the lovable Charles Barkley, because Barkley called him out and said he needed to get some help in everything related to the process.

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Post by dbrown4 Sun Apr 02, 2023 8:44 am

Come on, Ktron! Help a brother out! I surmised and predicted this long before ol' Ben Blowback put this to paper! Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Just messin', trying to steal some credit!!

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Post by gyso Sun Apr 02, 2023 11:03 am

cowens/oldschool wrote:Wow knew he was bad, but didn’t know he was that historically inept. Remember Morrison, Kaminsky, Kidd Gilchrist very well, all historic busts. Supposedly MJ ended his friendship with the lovable Charles Barkley, because Barkley called him out and said he needed to get some help in everything related to the process.

Cow,

I live in Charlotte now, going on 9 years.  I somewhat paid attention to them over that time, so I knew that their draft picks and trades were bad, but until I was able to see the entirety of it in one article, I didn't know how bad.

When I first moved here and the Celtics came to town, I went to every game.  There was always a sea of green and plenty of "Let's go Celtics" chanting going on.  There was one game where the Hornets put up a fight in a close game and the local fans really got into it, but other than that, the fans were mostly quiet and in their seats.

One of my sons-in-laws grew up in Charlotte and he is a big Panthers fan.  He couldn't care less about the Hornets.  That could be a little of the "college sports are big in the south" thing going on there, but not all of it.

Maybe a new owner and team management will change things here for the better.

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Post by dbrown4 Mon Apr 03, 2023 12:00 pm

Ktron, I do remember what you correctly pointed out. While Michael is at the top, he does not/did not make a majority of those decisions regarding player personnel. He hires people he trusts for that. Then they let him down and he fires them!!

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Post by NYCelt Mon Apr 03, 2023 1:02 pm

A great player does not always make a great owner or front-office exec.

Jordan, however, gets to bank a nice return on his investment and it looks like he still retains a minority ownership stake. Not bad for him personally. Didn't do much for Charlotte fans but he sure comes out OK.

Hard to fault a good and profitable decision on Jordan's part.
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Post by gyso Mon Apr 03, 2023 3:10 pm

dbrown4 wrote:Ktron, I do remember what you correctly pointed out.  While Michael is at the top, he does not/did not make a majority of those decisions regarding player personnel.  He hires people he trusts for that.  Then they let him down and he fires them!!

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I don't know what you are referencing, but up above, it says that Jordan was always the loudest voice in the room.

It sounds more that he hires people he actually doesn't trust for that.  When his picks (or trades) don't work out, he blames them. He says they let him down and he fires them!!

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Post by Ktron Tue Apr 04, 2023 6:21 am

gyso wrote:
dbrown4 wrote:Ktron, I do remember what you correctly pointed out.  While Michael is at the top, he does not/did not make a majority of those decisions regarding player personnel.  He hires people he trusts for that.  Then they let him down and he fires them!!

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I don't know what you are referencing, but up above, it says that Jordan was always the loudest voice in the room.  

It sounds more that he hires people he actually doesn't trust for that.  When his picks (or trades) don't work out, he blames them.  He says they let him down and he fires them!!

DB, I remember saying that about Cuban but from what i now understand, his voice has always been loud when it comes to this.

Gyso, Firing if management gets it wrong? So do the vast majority of owners.

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Post by gyso Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:23 am

Ktron,

Please read it again. Just the last sentence. I'll post it again to make it easy:

It sounds more that he hires people he actually doesn't trust for that. When his picks (or trades) don't work out, he blames them. He says they let him down and he fires them!!


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Post by Ktron Tue Apr 04, 2023 6:23 pm

[quote="gyso"]Ktron,

Please read it again.  Just the last sentence.  I'll post it again to make it easy:

It sounds more that he hires people he actually doesn't trust for that.  When his picks (or trades) don't work out, he blames them.  He says they let him down and he fires them!!

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Missing something here. It does sound like something they all do.
What am I missing? Help a Bro man out. Seriously,

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Post by gyso Tue Apr 04, 2023 7:49 pm

Ktron,

Jordan reportedly makes the final decisions, not the GM.

You cannot fire someone for making bad decisions when they had no hand in those decisions.

Reportedly.

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Post by Ktron Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:43 pm

gyso wrote:Ktron,

Jordan reportedly makes the final decisions, not the GM.  

You cannot fire someone for making bad decisions when they had no hand in those decisions.

Reportedly.
It may not be fair or right but its more common than not that it ends up that way and it didn’t just start with MJ.

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Post by gyso Tue Apr 04, 2023 10:47 pm

I give up.

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