Celtics Related Trade Rumors

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Report: Boston Celtics ‘not currently looking to trade (Malcolm) Brogdon’


Justin Quinn
Sat, July 1, 2023 at 10:18 AM PDT



If the Boston Celtics do end up trading away the NBA’s 2023 Sixth Man of the Year Malcolm Brogdon this offseason, it won’t be because they were looking to do so, according to new reporting from the Boston Globe’s Adam Himmelsbach. Per the Globe Reporter, “the Celtics are not currently looking to trade Brogdon, and that they are comfortable bringing the reigning Sixth Man of the Year back in that role next season.”

If the Celtics are not actively shopping the Virginia alum, this tells us a bit about how they see Brogdon’s future in Boston. Namely that he will back up Derrick White as the team’s lead floor general, and also that they believe he will be up for the task in terms of health.

According to Himmelsbach, the injury to his arm that derailed a trade to the Los Angeles Clippers “could still require surgery, but Brogdon is expected to be ready for the start of the season regardless”.


Bob
MY NOTE:  Not sure how we could trade Malcolm now, with Smart gone, unless we get a quality guard in return.  How about a sign-and-trade with Malcolm and Grant (Grant's the S&T) for Dame?  Add draft picks and/or TPE if we need to for the numbers to work.  I know Dame said he preferred Miami over Boston, but that was before we got Z.  Maybe he's now seeing a team starting him, Derrick, Jaylen, Jayson and Z as Championship-bound?

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steve3344 wrote:

Ktron wrote:

steve3344 wrote:

worcester wrote:Love me some Isley Bros. Reggie Jackson's favorite group if I recall.

Reggie's favorite group was the O'Jays. One day in the spring of 1978 when we were talking about his time with Oakland for a piece I was writing about him, he told me that interesting nugget. He added, when he was with the A's, "For The Love of Money" was their theme song and they would play that in the clubhouse before every game and then go out on the field and kick ass. He also told me he knew every word to every song they ever did. I told him he should write a story about them. He said, "You know I can't write." I told him I'd come by his apartment the next day (he lived at 79th and Fifth Ave. during his Yankee years and I visited him often there), he could talk about the O'Jays into my tape recorder and I'd write the story. I sold it to Playboy that summer and it was titled, "Why I Love the O'Jays" by Reggie Jackson. I ghost-wrote it for him and my name is nowhere to be seen. After I transcribed the tape, I thought an 800 word stream of consciousness ode to the band - all in his words - worked better that way. He got the glory and I got Playboy's very generous check for an article that took me two hours to do.

Cool stuff there Steve.

“You can Bet your last money
Its gonna be a stone gas honey”

-Don Cornelius

O’jay’s, let’s go to work!

Thanks Ktron. I got to cover Reggie's first day at Yankee Spring Training (2/21/77) in Fort Lauderdale for Sports Illustrated and that's where we first met and spent several days together, interviewing him, playing backgammon in his hotel room, going to dinner, etc. I was also a photographer and Mickey Mantle showed up as a surprise without even giving the Yankees a head's up, wanting to be there to welcome Reggie to the team. Got to talk to Mickey about how excited he was about Reggie taking aim at Yankee Stadium's short right field porch and have some amazing photos of him from several feet away taken on the field. And some great pics of the two of them together. Mickey was my hero growing up so that was a huge deal to meet him. Was going to post one but the copy and paste method for photos doesn't work the way it did last time I posted some here which was about eight ot ten years ago. I posted some photos I took at Boston's 1986 Media Day of Red Auerbach, Bird, Walton, McHale, DJ and Danny with no problem back then but the site is now preventing me from doing that. Odd. Got tons of fascinating stories about that 1977 Yankee team (all behind the scenes stuff and a bunch off the record) but that's for another place and time since we're all about hoops here. I did get to interview Red in '82. That was pretty special.

Steve, You were dealing with top shelf talent there. Some of the best players are the coolest to talk to.

The summer I covered the Braves, Dusty Baker was managing the Giants and he was really great to talk with. Polite and very open with the media.

Had a couple of bad ones though. Barry Bonds was really nasty to me and everyone who tried to talk to him. I asked him if the injury he had just came back from contributed to his bobbling a ball and letting it get past him. He gave me a dirty look and said “What? Man you best leave me alone” and walked away. (I left him alone)

David Justice got pissed at me because I had the mic too close to his face.
He stopped in the middle of what he was saying and looked at me and said “WTF, you want me to eat that thing”?
Most Ive run into were not like those 2. It was my first time covering baseball.
Didn’t mind the ego maniacs as much as the late late nights and extra innings.

Ktron wrote:

steve3344 wrote:

Ktron wrote:

steve3344 wrote:

worcester wrote:Love me some Isley Bros. Reggie Jackson's favorite group if I recall.

Reggie's favorite group was the O'Jays. One day in the spring of 1978 when we were talking about his time with Oakland for a piece I was writing about him, he told me that interesting nugget. He added, when he was with the A's, "For The Love of Money" was their theme song and they would play that in the clubhouse before every game and then go out on the field and kick ass. He also told me he knew every word to every song they ever did. I told him he should write a story about them. He said, "You know I can't write." I told him I'd come by his apartment the next day (he lived at 79th and Fifth Ave. during his Yankee years and I visited him often there), he could talk about the O'Jays into my tape recorder and I'd write the story. I sold it to Playboy that summer and it was titled, "Why I Love the O'Jays" by Reggie Jackson. I ghost-wrote it for him and my name is nowhere to be seen. After I transcribed the tape, I thought an 800 word stream of consciousness ode to the band - all in his words - worked better that way. He got the glory and I got Playboy's very generous check for an article that took me two hours to do.

Cool stuff there Steve.

“You can Bet your last money
Its gonna be a stone gas honey”

-Don Cornelius

O’jay’s, let’s go to work!

Thanks Ktron. I got to cover Reggie's first day at Yankee Spring Training (2/21/77) in Fort Lauderdale for Sports Illustrated and that's where we first met and spent several days together, interviewing him, playing backgammon in his hotel room, going to dinner, etc. I was also a photographer and Mickey Mantle showed up as a surprise without even giving the Yankees a head's up, wanting to be there to welcome Reggie to the team. Got to talk to Mickey about how excited he was about Reggie taking aim at Yankee Stadium's short right field porch and have some amazing photos of him from several feet away taken on the field. And some great pics of the two of them together. Mickey was my hero growing up so that was a huge deal to meet him. Was going to post one but the copy and paste method for photos doesn't work the way it did last time I posted some here which was about eight ot ten years ago. I posted some photos I took at Boston's 1986 Media Day of Red Auerbach, Bird, Walton, McHale, DJ and Danny with no problem back then but the site is now preventing me from doing that. Odd. Got tons of fascinating stories about that 1977 Yankee team (all behind the scenes stuff and a bunch off the record) but that's for another place and time since we're all about hoops here. I did get to interview Red in '82. That was pretty special.

Steve, You were dealing with top shelf talent there. Some of the best players are the coolest to talk to.

The summer I covered the Braves,  Dusty Baker was managing the Giants and he was really great to talk with. Polite and very open with the media.

Had a couple of bad ones though. Barry Bonds was really nasty to me and everyone who tried to talk to him. I asked him if the injury he had just came back from contributed to his bobbling a ball and letting it get past him. He gave me a dirty look and said “What? Man you best leave me alone” and walked away. (I left him alone)

David Justice got pissed at me because I had the mic too close to his face.
He stopped in the middle of what he was saying and looked at me and said “WTF, you want me to eat that thing”?
Most Ive run into were not like those 2. It was my first time covering baseball.
Didn’t mind the ego maniacs as much as the late late nights and extra innings.

Ktron,

What I like is that Steve got to ride on tour with Frank Zappa and the Mothers for a few days.

You can keep Reggie, give me Frank all day and extra innings too.


Bob

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bobheckler wrote:

Ktron wrote:

steve3344 wrote:

Ktron wrote:

steve3344 wrote:

worcester wrote:Love me some Isley Bros. Reggie Jackson's favorite group if I recall.

Reggie's favorite group was the O'Jays. One day in the spring of 1978 when we were talking about his time with Oakland for a piece I was writing about him, he told me that interesting nugget. He added, when he was with the A's, "For The Love of Money" was their theme song and they would play that in the clubhouse before every game and then go out on the field and kick ass. He also told me he knew every word to every song they ever did. I told him he should write a story about them. He said, "You know I can't write." I told him I'd come by his apartment the next day (he lived at 79th and Fifth Ave. during his Yankee years and I visited him often there), he could talk about the O'Jays into my tape recorder and I'd write the story. I sold it to Playboy that summer and it was titled, "Why I Love the O'Jays" by Reggie Jackson. I ghost-wrote it for him and my name is nowhere to be seen. After I transcribed the tape, I thought an 800 word stream of consciousness ode to the band - all in his words - worked better that way. He got the glory and I got Playboy's very generous check for an article that took me two hours to do.

Cool stuff there Steve.

“You can Bet your last money
Its gonna be a stone gas honey”

-Don Cornelius

O’jay’s, let’s go to work!

Thanks Ktron. I got to cover Reggie's first day at Yankee Spring Training (2/21/77) in Fort Lauderdale for Sports Illustrated and that's where we first met and spent several days together, interviewing him, playing backgammon in his hotel room, going to dinner, etc. I was also a photographer and Mickey Mantle showed up as a surprise without even giving the Yankees a head's up, wanting to be there to welcome Reggie to the team. Got to talk to Mickey about how excited he was about Reggie taking aim at Yankee Stadium's short right field porch and have some amazing photos of him from several feet away taken on the field. And some great pics of the two of them together. Mickey was my hero growing up so that was a huge deal to meet him. Was going to post one but the copy and paste method for photos doesn't work the way it did last time I posted some here which was about eight ot ten years ago. I posted some photos I took at Boston's 1986 Media Day of Red Auerbach, Bird, Walton, McHale, DJ and Danny with no problem back then but the site is now preventing me from doing that. Odd. Got tons of fascinating stories about that 1977 Yankee team (all behind the scenes stuff and a bunch off the record) but that's for another place and time since we're all about hoops here. I did get to interview Red in '82. That was pretty special.

Steve, You were dealing with top shelf talent there. Some of the best players are the coolest to talk to.

The summer I covered the Braves,  Dusty Baker was managing the Giants and he was really great to talk with. Polite and very open with the media.

Had a couple of bad ones though. Barry Bonds was really nasty to me and everyone who tried to talk to him. I asked him if the injury he had just came back from contributed to his bobbling a ball and letting it get past him. He gave me a dirty look and said “What? Man you best leave me alone” and walked away. (I left him alone)

David Justice got pissed at me because I had the mic too close to his face.
He stopped in the middle of what he was saying and looked at me and said “WTF, you want me to eat that thing”?
Most Ive run into were not like those 2. It was my first time covering baseball.
Didn’t mind the ego maniacs as much as the late late nights and extra innings.

Ktron,

What I like is that Steve got to ride on tour with Frank Zappa and the Mothers for a few days.

You can keep Reggie,  give me Frank all day and extra innings too.


Bob

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Cool!

Extra innings could have you up all night. I used to hate it. Gotta admit that I did like it as a spectator though.

bobheckler wrote:

Ktron wrote:

steve3344 wrote:

Ktron wrote:

steve3344 wrote:

worcester wrote:Love me some Isley Bros. Reggie Jackson's favorite group if I recall.

Reggie's favorite group was the O'Jays. One day in the spring of 1978 when we were talking about his time with Oakland for a piece I was writing about him, he told me that interesting nugget. He added, when he was with the A's, "For The Love of Money" was their theme song and they would play that in the clubhouse before every game and then go out on the field and kick ass. He also told me he knew every word to every song they ever did. I told him he should write a story about them. He said, "You know I can't write." I told him I'd come by his apartment the next day (he lived at 79th and Fifth Ave. during his Yankee years and I visited him often there), he could talk about the O'Jays into my tape recorder and I'd write the story. I sold it to Playboy that summer and it was titled, "Why I Love the O'Jays" by Reggie Jackson. I ghost-wrote it for him and my name is nowhere to be seen. After I transcribed the tape, I thought an 800 word stream of consciousness ode to the band - all in his words - worked better that way. He got the glory and I got Playboy's very generous check for an article that took me two hours to do.

Cool stuff there Steve.

“You can Bet your last money
Its gonna be a stone gas honey”

-Don Cornelius

O’jay’s, let’s go to work!

Thanks Ktron. I got to cover Reggie's first day at Yankee Spring Training (2/21/77) in Fort Lauderdale for Sports Illustrated and that's where we first met and spent several days together, interviewing him, playing backgammon in his hotel room, going to dinner, etc. I was also a photographer and Mickey Mantle showed up as a surprise without even giving the Yankees a head's up, wanting to be there to welcome Reggie to the team. Got to talk to Mickey about how excited he was about Reggie taking aim at Yankee Stadium's short right field porch and have some amazing photos of him from several feet away taken on the field. And some great pics of the two of them together. Mickey was my hero growing up so that was a huge deal to meet him. Was going to post one but the copy and paste method for photos doesn't work the way it did last time I posted some here which was about eight ot ten years ago. I posted some photos I took at Boston's 1986 Media Day of Red Auerbach, Bird, Walton, McHale, DJ and Danny with no problem back then but the site is now preventing me from doing that. Odd. Got tons of fascinating stories about that 1977 Yankee team (all behind the scenes stuff and a bunch off the record) but that's for another place and time since we're all about hoops here. I did get to interview Red in '82. That was pretty special.

Steve, You were dealing with top shelf talent there. Some of the best players are the coolest to talk to.

The summer I covered the Braves,  Dusty Baker was managing the Giants and he was really great to talk with. Polite and very open with the media.

Had a couple of bad ones though. Barry Bonds was really nasty to me and everyone who tried to talk to him. I asked him if the injury he had just came back from contributed to his bobbling a ball and letting it get past him. He gave me a dirty look and said “What? Man you best leave me alone” and walked away. (I left him alone)

David Justice got pissed at me because I had the mic too close to his face.
He stopped in the middle of what he was saying and looked at me and said “WTF, you want me to eat that thing”?
Most Ive run into were not like those 2. It was my first time covering baseball.
Didn’t mind the ego maniacs as much as the late late nights and extra innings.

Ktron,

What I like is that Steve got to ride on tour with Frank Zappa and the Mothers for a few days.

You can keep Reggie,  give me Frank all day and extra innings too.


Bob

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What a hoot being around Frank was. And a lot of responsibility to chronicle the often bizarre but highly enteratining goings-on for the three days (November 15, 16 & 17, 1974 - to Buffalo, Ithaca and Philadelphia) I got to travel with the Mothers on their bus to write a tour story. That Philly show - nearly three hours long - was one of the greatest concerts I've ever seen. After the show, Frank, who was uncommonly averse to being satisfied, said he thought it was "just wonderful." Wish I could see it again.

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2023/07/celtics-inquired-with-blazers-about-damian-lillard-trade-report.html



Celtics inquired with Blazers about Damian Lillard trade (report)


Updated: Jul. 03, 2023, 9:11 a.m.|Published: Jul. 03, 2023, 9:10 a.m.


By Brian Robb | brobb@masslive.com



The Damian Lillard trade sweepstakes have begun after the Blazers guard demanded a trade Saturday just as NBA freee agency kicked off. While the Celtics have had a quiet start to NBA free agency with only the agreeing to a deal with Oshae Brissett thus far, the team appears to be considering making a move for the Blazers All-Star.

According to Bleacher Report’s Chris Haynes, the Celtics were one of several teams that inquired with the Blazers about Lillard’s price after he demanded out.


“It did cause teams to pause, hold on, let’s wait on what he had planned and let’s look to see if we had a shot,” Haynes said on his This League Uncut Podcast. “The Clippers, the Timberwolves, Pelicans, Boston Celtics, those are the team off the top of my head, I’m pretty sure there were more, those were the teams that I know called out to reach out to see what it would take (to land Lillard).”


It’s been widely reported that Miami is the top destination preference for Lillard but the trade assets they can offer Portland is limited while keeping their core intact.

Blazers GM Joe Cronin has also made it clear the team will be looking for the best deal for Lillard rather than sending him to his preferred destination.

“We have been clear that we want Dame here but he notified us today he wants out and he’d prefer to play someplace else,” Cronin said in a statement Saturday. “What has not changed for us is that we’re committed to winning, and we are going to do what’s best for the team in pursuit of that goal.”


Lillard is making $45.6 million during the 2023-24 season so the Celtics would need to send out just over $41 million in a deal for salary-matching purposes to make the money work. He is also still under contract for at least the next three seasons with a $63 million player option for 2026-27 campaign so there’s no flight risk in any deal for him at this point. It’s hard to envision Lillard making a fuss playing for any kind of contender even if it’s not his preferred destination of Miami or Brooklyn once he gets there.

Marc Spears of ESPN also spoke on NBA Today Saturday about hearing rumblings of Jayson Tatum campaigning Lillard on the idea of joining the Celtics.

MassLive broke down three possible trade proposals the Celtics could make for a Lillard deal earlier this week. Here’s a look at those deals along with some analysis.


Offer 1: Malcolm Brogdon, Robert Williams, Payton Pritchard, Luke Kornet, salary filler, three future first round picks and additional pick swaps/second round picks for Damian Lillard

Analysis: This is probably an offer that gets topped by any team willing to include a star-level young player and/or elite picks but the Blazers get a good contract here in Williams, could spin Brogdon for other assets and bank on some long-term draft capital from Boston. It’s a better offer than the Heat but unlikely to top other deals the Blazers see in negotiations. Still, its an offer worth making if other teams drop out of the mix.


Offer 2: Malcolm Brogdon, Derrick White, three future first round picks


Analysis: This might as well be a three-team deal since the Blazers backcourt is already stocked with young guys for the future even after Lillard’s exit. However, the Blazers may not be offered a better value contract in any deal than Derrick White at this point who the Celtics would surely hate to give up but that’s the price of a superstar at times. Again, it’s debatable if Brad Stevens would even be willing to make this offer but the structure of it works. The Blazers could then turn around and pile up at least 2-3 additional first round picks and/or younger players by dealing White and Brogdon.


Offer 3: Three-team trade involving Jaylen Brown going to a different destination.


Analysis: This hypothetical comes off the table the second that Brown signs an extension (since he can’t be traded for a year afterwards). Still, any trade involving Damian Lillard would mean the Celtics would be dealing at least one of Jaylen Brown and Kristaps Porzingis after next season for financial reasons. If the Celtics would rather keep their supporting cast intact, they could theoretically use any assets acquired in a Brown trade to a third team and repackage those to the Blazers (along with about $10 million in additional salary).


Bob
MY NOTE:  The reason why Offer #1 would top anybody else's is because it's too rich, in my opinion.  Offer #3 is a non-starter, for me, too.  Swapping an All-NBA player entering his prime for a 33 year old increasingly injured player is a no-go.  The only one that I have any interest in at all is Offer #2, and even then that one's a bit too rich for my blood too.  You can have Malcolm, you can have the picks and I'll throw in someone else (Grant) to make the numbers work and so you can fill out your roster with some quality, but BOTH of our top guards?  Leaving us with just Dame and Payton for a back court?!  I'd love to have Dame, we could compete with anybody for the Championship if we had him, and that includes the fully stacked Phoenix Suns and the resurgent Lakers, but we need a back court capable of winning a Championship, so we need either Malcolm or Derrick.


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I've seen a lot of speculation and rumors on this one.

It would be an interesting and probably title contending roster... for about a year, I think. Hard to add that contract with the new CBA coming as well.

Dame would be a great addition, but would have been better a few years ago, younger and without the wear and tear.

Maybe better in the long haul sticking with a backcourt with Brogdon and White.

Hi,
I don't think that the Celtics need to do any big moves. The current roster, assuming that they get Grant and don't trade Brogdon, is quite capable of delivering the rings.
My biggest concern is CJ - had he learnt enough to guide us to the promised land?

AK

sinus007 wrote:Hi,
I don't think that the Celtics need to do any big moves. The current roster, assuming that they get Grant and don't trade Brogdon, is quite capable of delivering the rings.
My biggest concern is CJ - had he learnt enough to guide us to the promised land?

AK

I agree with you. I am just fine with our backcourt as currently constructed.

CJ has a new toy to play with (KP) We should have a more diverse offensive attack because KP can flat out score in the post and all around the elbows and he can make the 3 ball, or be a lob threat or even have the offense run through him some like the way Denver uses the joker. The Celtics have added size, length and athleticism at center, the wings and at the point. Some of our additions will probably get a chance to play because Sam is still in the developmental stage and PP is relatively limited at both ends.

If the Celtics can keep GW they should be better than last year

A plethora of talent

https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2023/07/04/nba-boston-celtics-trade-him-for-quickley/



Celtics reportedly 'seeking a first-round pick' for Grant Williams sign-and-trade



Justin Quinn
July 4, 2023 12:34 pm ET



The Boston Celtics are looking for a significant return for restricted free agent Grant Williams if the Tennessee alum and Boston do end up parting ways in free agency according to new reporting from The Athletic NBA insider Jared Weiss. “Though most of the league’s cap space has dried up at this point, the expectation with Williams has always been that a sign-and-trade or midlevel exception (MLE) would be the likely outcome,” shares the Athletic reporter.

The “Atlanta (Hawks), Charlotte (Hornets), Dallas (Mavericks), New York (Knicks) and Washington (Wizards) are all still in the mix,” writes Weiss, noting Williams will have to wait until July 6 to sign an offer sheet anywhere.


“Boston has been seeking a first-round pick in return for Williams,” notes the Athletic reporter, who suggests that after “Williams’ situation is resolved, the Celtics will have a clearer picture of how they can build for the future around Brown’s extension.”


Bob


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Steve...my apologies for mixing up the Isley Brothers with the O'Jays. Years ago I had a close friend whose sister was Reggie's girlfriend for a decade, and I think that's where I heard about him and the O'Jays. Now I'm gonna google for "Reggie's" Playboy article.

Thirty years ago I had a patient who was the ball boy for the Red Sox when they had Spring training in Sarasota. He told me that one day he saw Mickey and Ted Williams talking underneath the stands. Ted asked, "Mickey, how come you re hanging out here?"

Mickey answered, "This way I can look up the girls' skirts."

That story may have been apoxryphal, though, because this patient was arrested the same day with Pee Wee Herman for unseemly behavior at Sarasota's XXX theater.

One for sure true story is that I once got to spend time with Whitey Ford and his wife at their condo in Fort Lauderdale. Billy Christal was filming "61" then, and i asked Whitey who who would be playing his part?
Without hesitation he answered, "Brad Pitt, of course."

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2023/07/will-celtics-retain-grant-williams-examining-trade-market-fa-options.html



Will Celtics retain Grant Williams? Examining trade market, FA options


Updated: Jul. 05, 2023, 11:00 a.m.|Published: Jul. 05, 2023, 10:56 a.m.


By Brian Robb | brobb@masslive.com



It’s been less than a week into NBA free agency and Celtics forward Grant Williams is suddenly one of the best names remaining on the board in the open market.

The 6-foot-6 forward is a restricted free agent so it’s no surprise that his situation has yet to be resolved given Boston’s cap situation. Williams can’t sign an offer sheet with another team until July 6 and most of the cap space around the league has dried up rather quickly in the past few days. Williams will get a solid deal eventually this month but it won’t be as big as the one he was likely shooting for last fall in contract negotiations with Boston unless it comes with the Celtics cooperation in a sign-and-trade.


Meanwhile, the Celtics have had a quiet free agency period themselves with just a pair of minimum signings to this point (Oshae Brissett, Dalano Banton) as the team navigates their next moves. As MassLive outlined last week, the odds of the team retaining Grant Williams without some additional cuts to payroll has always felt unlikely after the Kristaps Porzingis trade. The Celtics were in talks to move Malcolm Brogdon to the Clippers last month and it’s still far from 100 percent certain Brogdon will be back in Boston next year even after Marcus Smart was dealt away per a league source.


Technically, the Celtics would be able to retain Williams and keep Brogdon if they were willing to push well past the second apron ($182 million) with the team’s payroll. However, the guess here is the team tries to upgrade the roster in a bigger way via trade if they are looking to do that type of spending for the 2023-24 season.

So where exactly does that leave Grant Williams in the meantime? Multiple teams have been tied to the power forward with interest in free agency including the Mavericks and Hornets for weeks. The Athletic also listed some new potential teams that have shown interest (Knicks, Hawks, Wizards) but the cap situations for those teams are not favorable to Williams when it comes to him landing a big deal.


In fact, the only team right now that is capable of making a sizable offer sheet to Williams with their own cap space beyond the mid-level exception is Charlotte. Whether that happens likely depends in part on what the team’s plans are with their own restricted free agent PJ Washington who started at power forward last year.

Beyond the Hornets making a play for Williams, the Celtics are in a favorable spot to retain Williams or get assets for him for a couple of reasons:

Signing or matching a Williams offer for mid-level exception money should be a good value contract for Boston.
Any other team would need the Celtics to cooperate via a sign-and-trade to give Williams a bigger deal than the MLE.

Finding a fit for a sign-and-trade for any interested team is not exactly easy, especially with the Base Year compensation rules that will make salary matching challenging in a deal. The Hawks would be able to absorb Williams into a big TPE created by the John Collins trade to Utah so a trade with them would eliminate those issues. However, finding any money match for a deal with the Mavs or Knicks is very challenging without constructing a larger deal with additional players. The Wizards have plenty of movable pieces in Williams’ price range but just how much they interest the Celtics is the bigger question. With a restricted free agent like Williams, the most the Celtics would likely be looking at in a trade return (beyond player) is second round pick(s) in all likelihood barring a bigger deal construction.


Ultimately, look for some movement on this front in the next few days as Summer League gets going in Las Vegas once the door opens for Williams to potentially sign an offer sheet elsewhere.


Bob
MY NOTE:  SL in Vegas begins Friday, with our first game on Saturday.  So, what he's saying, is there should be some clarity on this within a week to 10 days. We are close, and after Grant's situation is resolved I think we can expect Jaylen's for fall into place with the new numbers Wyc and Pags are looking at.

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Cameron Tabatabaie @CTabatabaie
1 hour ago
Celtics offszn so far: Out: Marcus Smart Grant Williams Danilo Gallinari Mike Muscala In: Kristaps Porzingis Jordan Walsh '24 1st (GSW) '24 2nd (DAL) '25 2nd (DET, GSW, or WAS) '25 2nd swap (DAL) '26 2nd (MIN, NOL, NYK, or POR) '27 2nd (ATL) 2 additional 2nds via Grant trade


Bob
MY NOTE:  So, who are our "tough guys" now?  When teams try to beat us up who's going to back them up?  With Marcus and Grant gone there goes our heart and our backbone.

Gotta love all those 2nd round picks though,  huh?  Plenty of non-guaranteed money there!

Time to wake up and smell the sarcasm.


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Davidson will substitute blinding speed for muscle...like the Flash...and rescue us.

Adam Himmelsbach @AdamHimmelsbach
about 36 minutes ago
-Per sources, the Celtics are not expected to be in the mix for Damian Lillard. -Jaylen Brown’s extension remains on course, with talks expected in Vegas.


Bob


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Whew!

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2023/07/could-celtics-get-involved-in-potential-pascal-siakam-trade-with-raptors.html


Could Celtics get involved in potential Pascal Siakam trade with Raptors?


Published: Jul. 12, 2023, 12:13 p.m.


By Brian Robb | brobb@masslive.com


LAS VEGAS — Damian Lillard and James Harden have dominated the NBA trade rumor mill for much of July after an initial free-agent frenzy. However, one newer name that has emerged in the past few days is Raptors forward Pascal Siakam, who is reportedly garnering interest from several teams on the market including the Pacers, Magic and Hawks.

The Celtics have been assembling additional draft assets in the past few weeks so it is logical to ask the question for any star-level player that becomes available: Would they make sense for Boston?

Let’s take a look at Siakam’s situation and the likelihood of the Celtics getting involved in any bidding.


The Contract

Siakam is in the final year of his contract earning $37.9 million for the 2023-24 season. Unlike Jaylen Brown, he did not make All-NBA last year so he is not eligible for a supermax extension at this point with Toronto before hitting free agency.

Siakam could still become eligible for the supermax if he makes All-NBA this upcoming season in Toronto but that is only possible if the team does not trade him first. In all likelihood, that’s why his camp has reportedly sent signals that he won’t sign an extension any place but Toronto at the moment. He would have to wait six months regardless to extend with his next team but that posturing is likely just holding out hope that he will be able to get the supermax payday with his original team. Otherwise, he would be just be eligible for regular max money (30 percent of the cap).


The Challenge

While the asking price for Siakam by Toronto will likely be far less than what the Blazers are looking for with Lillard (due to the expiring contract for Siakam), there’s a pretty big reason why the Celtics are going to steer clear here of any pursuit. They would be able to afford Siakam on their book for this upcoming season but that would be it. The 29-year-old would be looking for a max deal next offseason and the Celtics would already have two on the books with Brown/Tatum along with $30 million reportedly committed to Porzingis. Adding Siakam for the 2024-25 season and beyond is just not feasible with this team’s budget and the luxury tax implications involved.

Essentially, any move for Siakam would be an all-in play for the next season and the Celtics aren’t in a position where they need to push a bunch of their assets in for a big swing in a one-year window. That makes any Siakam pursuit by Boston illogical barring an unexpected development (i.e. Brown not getting his supermax).


Could Celtics still get involved anyway in a potential Siakam deal?

So the Celtics aren’t going after Siakam but the involvement of the Raptors here is interesting. It’s not clear what type of return Toronto is looking for but they seem to be in a win-now mentality mode still even after losing Fred VanVleet to the Rockets by signing veteran Dennis Schroder with the mid-level exception.

The team’s depth at point guard on the roster though is still quite shallow with Malachi Flynn as the only backup at this point. Given that the Raptors showed interest in Malcolm Brogdon last year per sources before he was dealt to the Celtics, it’s fair to wonder whether Toronto would still have interest in him or Payton Pritchard in some type of three-team swap with players/assets from another team heading towards Boston and Siakam heading to a third team.


These types of trade constructs are always challenging but the Celtics are well positioned now as a potential facilitator with both player and draft assets that could get them in the mix for any type of swap if the price is right.


Bob
MY NOTE:  What a waste of an article.  We don't want Siakam with his huge contract.  No shite.  He won't sign an extension with any team other Toronto so it makes no sense to trade for him.  No shite.  THEN Robb says we could get player(s) in a 3 team deal if we throw in Brogdon and/or Payton.  What?!  So that would leave us with DWhite and unproven Banton as guards?  I'd love to hear what kind of an asset that would get us.  Our back court is already dangerously thin, in my opinion, I don't see how trading another guard is in our benefit, much less two. I suppose our $6+ Grant Williams TPE along with Payton could get us a good guard in return, once that trade is finalized and the TPE actually exists, but who?


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So we'd trade a 6th man of the year for a $10M or so backup PG. I thought crack smoking was illlegal in Boston.

Bobby Manning @RealBobManning
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All eyes are understandably on the Jaylen Brown extension, but there’s another #Celtics player eligible for one who I think will sign — Payton Pritchard is still someone the C’s like & trust, who I heard even last summer could get one. Maybe ~MLE money annually. He’s a 2024 RFA.


Bob


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Pondering options for Celtics who fit into the Grant Williams TPE


The Celtics generated a $6.2 million traded player exception by sending Grant Williams to the Mavericks.


By Chris Forsberg, Celtics Insider • Published July 14, 2023 • Updated on July 14, 2023 at 5:18 pm
 


Boston Celtics president of basketball operations Brad Stevens told reporters in Las Vegas earlier this week that the team might try to add depth at the forward positions before wrapping up summer roster construction.

Boston has one open spot on the parent roster, along with two players on nonguaranteed deals in Justin Champagnie and Luke Kornet. The team also has two remaining two-way slots after signing 2022 draftee JD Davison to a second two-way deal last week.

The Celtics have limited means to add talent, with virtually no way to sign free agents beyond minimum salaries. If the team yearns to preserve maximum in-season flexibility, it would steer clear of using the $5 million taxpayer midlevel (which would hard cap the team at the $182.5 million second apron).


Boston’s best path to potentially adding talent would be utilizing a $6.2 million traded player exception generated by delivering Grant Williams to the Dallas Mavericks in a three-team sign-and-trade deal.

So who could the Celtics target at that salary level? Ballooning contracts don’t make it very easy to find low-cost talent but here are a few of the names that jumped out:


Saddiq Bey, Atlanta Hawks ($4.5 million)

The 24-year-old Bey is entering the final year of his rookie pact, which might at least entice the Hawks to consider trade possibilities and keep the price tag relatively low. Alas, the Hawks are also thinner at the power forward spot after finally moving John Collins.

Bey would offer Boston a 2020 do-over after the Celtics chose Aaron Nesmith with Bey still on the board (he went 19th to Detroit). Bey shot 40 percent from beyond the 3-point arc in 25 games with the Hawks last season and is at 36 percent for his career. Boston could use a little bit of his Villanova grit given its offseason departures.


Dean Wade, Cleveland Cavaliers ($5.7 million)

The Cavaliers added Georges Niang and Max Strus this offseason while drafting Emoni Bates. That could put a crunch on perimeter shooters like the 26-year-old Wade, who had an up-and-down year last season. Wade is a career 36.2 percent shooter beyond the 3-point arc but he brings the sort of size Boston might covet (6-foot-9, 228 pounds). He started 60 games over the past three seasons and is a solid team defender.


Otto Porter Jr., Toronto Raptors ($6.3 million)

The extra bit of padding built into TPEs could leave the Celtics just enough room to ponder someone like Porter. His health probably doesn’t make it worth the risk. Porter played 63 games for Golden State in 2022 and aided their title run (including against Boston in the NBA Finals that year).

The Raptors rolled the dice in signing him to a two-year deal last summer and he played a mere eight games this past season. That might drive down the price for someone that would be a depth piece. but if Porter Jr.’s salary forced the Celtics above the second apron, it might not be worth even taking on the contract.


Chuma Okeke, Orlando Magic ($5.3 million)

Would the Magic and their glut of young talent be willing to sell low on the soon-to-be 25-year-old forward? The former 16th overall pick is entering the final year of his rookie deal and played only 27 games last year due to injuries. The scouting report suggests a 3-and-D wing but Okeke hasn’t shot the ball well at the NBA level (32.3 percent on 4.2 attempts per game for his career).


Precious Achiuwa, Toronto Raptors ($4.4 million)

Will the Raptors start selling off pieces, or try to ride what they’ve got? If the firesale starts, Boston could inquire about Achiuwa, who is entering the final year of his rookie deal. The soon-to-be 24-year-old might cost a bit more but would provide depth up front where the Celtics have health concerns.

Ultimately, every deal involving a wing has to be balanced with a priority of (1) Playing Sam Hauser more than the Celtics did a year ago to further aid his development, while gauging his ability to be a consistent rotation presence and (2) Preserving draft capital for the sort of surefire move that might aid a championship-caliber team.

If you don’t think any of these players move the needle for a championship hopeful, then it’s probably best to ride what you’ve got. Ultimately, the TPE simply opens another avenue for the Celtics to consider adding talent without handcuffing themselves in the event that a bigger in-season splash comes their way.


Bob
MY NOTE:  So, if Forsberg doesn't think the Hawks would trade Bey because they're already thin there why does he even have him on this list?  Get paid by the word, Chris?  Bey would be great but I don't think we'll get him and the others don't really speak to me except for Precious.  I think he'd be a good addition.  The only question about him is when would I tire saying his name in Gollum's voice?  Never?


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Bey was added to the list because Forsberg had to hit his 500 word essay.

Incidentally, Precious would also be a do over for drafting Nesmith.

I like 'My Precious' But the Raptors are reportedly looking to move Siakum since he is on the last year of his contract. That could make Precious a keeper.

Why would he also have Otto on the list? He missed most of last season.

Dean Wade...no thank you.

Chuma Okeke averaged 25 MPG first 2 years and only 19 last year. Very poor shooter. nothing to see here. move along

According to Gary Washburn the Celtics have "expressed interest" in Austin Rivers.

No wonder Brad isn't returning my calls.


Bob


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Brad Stevens has taken the big risk by trading for KP.

Fingers and toes crossed that he will not incur any major setbacks.

We have a legit big 3.  As brad puts the finishing touches in place I have high expectations.

bobheckler wrote:Cameron Tabatabaie @CTabatabaie
1 hour ago
Celtics offszn so far: Out: Marcus Smart Grant Williams Danilo Gallinari Mike Muscala In: Kristaps Porzingis Jordan Walsh '24 1st (GSW) '24 2nd (DAL) '25 2nd (DET, GSW, or WAS) '25 2nd swap (DAL) '26 2nd (MIN, NOL, NYK, or POR) '27 2nd (ATL) 2 additional 2nds via Grant trade


Bob
MY NOTE:  So, who are our "tough guys" now?  When teams try to beat us up who's going to back them up?  With Marcus and Grant gone there goes our heart and our backbone.

Gotta love all those 2nd round picks though,  huh?  Plenty of non-guaranteed money there!

Time to wake up and smell the sarcasm.


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Championship teams are usually a mix of players in their peak, some young ones playing with energy and a few wily vets. Love that Zinger who seems to be around the league forever is still relatively young and can play both ends and WILL not have to carry us, but just contribute his size and skills and let the game come to him. His game will compliment our existing talent, he can post up and run a high post offense, his game will open up the court all over and down low.

Love the Jordan Walsh pick, I see his defense helping us immediately and the kid seems like he is a worker, that he can/will improve his offense enough to help further in his role, which will be hustle plays and defense all over the floor and defending multiple positions. What I also really love is another first round pick, Golden State’s which could turn out to be such a valuable way to get further young impactful talent into the organization. From my prospective we look great even with the loss of Smart and GWill. So well done by Brad, as far as I’m concerned what we gave up to acquire Zinger was so lopsided in our favor compared to say the Gobert deal, just amazing.