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Post by steve3344 Wed May 11, 2011 4:40 am

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Gone-Baby-gone-Glen-Davis-puts-out-an-APB-for-h;_ylt=AuvnDILu7eJ16rkMeXji7qa8vLYF?urn=nba-wp2923

Very appropriate visual image.

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Post by sinus007 Wed May 11, 2011 8:24 am

Hi,
Very sad but true.

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Post by mrkleen09 Wed May 11, 2011 8:57 am

Baby needs to start to really take a look in the mirror and start to take his weight and conditioning seriously!

He eats a large bowl of pasta AND pancakes before every game (check this out on "The Association") It is really unprofessional that he does not dedicate himself enough to his craft

He is carrying too much weight and clearly struggles to find the lift he needs - and the energy to play hard after a few hard battles under the hoop.

No matter how "talented" a person is, if you do not prepare your body for the rigors of a long season, you are wasting that talent. Clearly Big Baby has a poor work ethic - and it has finally come back to bite him.

I say he is still worth resigning - but he just cost himself A LOT of money with this year's playoff performance.
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Post by bobheckler Wed May 11, 2011 11:07 am

I was just joking when I said I was afraid to buy a carton of milk in case Davis' picture might be on it. This is my worst nightmare.

What's scarier is Baby referring to himself in the 3rd person:
"I have to find Glen, and I don't know where Glen is at. I have no idea who is playing right now."

No wonder he can't find himself, he's having an out-of-body experience.

Helluva time to take a vacation.

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Post by Sam Wed May 11, 2011 12:03 pm

To nobody in particular, seeing that interview was even sadder than reading quotes. Glen looked utterly dejected and seemed almost eager to admit defeat.

I find it ironic that, in the past, he has played through serious physical adversities (especially concussions) in submitting some serious heroics. Now, as far as I know, he doesn't have the physical adversities, and he's stinking up the joint.

I've never really bought the weight concerns. Maybe he has gained weight, although I don't see it myself. But I don't believe the accuracy of an outside jumper is seriously impacted by weight gain. And I don't see him taking it to the hole with nearly as much frequency as earlier in the season. Even more of a concern: When's the last time we saw him successfully take a charge?

Maybe weight's a contributing factor. But there has to be something more deep-rooted that is holding him back. Some people are asking why JO wasn't in the game when Doc played small ball at the end of Game 4. Actually, for much of the season, that would have been Glen's role, because he could be depended on as an energy defense and a legitimate offensive threat. But not now.

Throughout the years, I've witnessed loads of circumstances in which an individual Celtic core player was having protracted struggles on the floor. And, at some point, his teammates (often on the advice of the coach) would deliberately set him up to succeed. And, after a couple of successful jumpers or whatever, lo and behold—he was back in synch.

I have a theory on everything from the grassy knoll (two Texans were drinking shooters and a gun went off by mistake) to the reason for escalating coffee prices (simply intended to piss me off). My theory on Glen's malaise is that Glen has thrived in situations where he could feel pretty comfortable within a reasonably well-defined system. Even when Sheed was here, there was a pattern. (We didn't all like it all the time, but it was a consistent pattern.) I see the bench now as being very largely a free lance outfit. Jeff Green gets a lot of his points from working the post. The bench records relatively few assists. Delonte's shooting more than playmaking. There really is no center except for Glen.

I'm mystified about Glen's role with the bench, and it wouldn't shock me if he were confused as well. He seems to be over-thinking and doing things mechanically because they're worked in the past—but without the context of the past. During the regular season, he played starters' minutes: ranking #5 on the team in MPG and playing only 1.8 fewer minutes per game than KG. He benefitted from putting in a lot of time with the so-called "Big Four."

In the playoffs, he's playing bench minutes. His MPG have dropped by 26%. He now ranks below JOL in playoff MPG and is just slightly ahead of Jeff Green and Delonte West. I don't think the bench has come together; and, not so coincidentally, Glen's game has fallen apart. I'm just not quite sure which is the chicken and which is the egg.

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Post by mrkleen09 Wed May 11, 2011 1:30 pm

sam wrote:In the playoffs, he's playing bench minutes. His MPG have dropped by 26%. He now ranks below JOL in playoff MPG and is just slightly ahead of Jeff Green and Delonte West. I don't think the bench has come together; and, not so coincidentally, Glen's game has fallen apart. I'm just not quite sure which is the chicken and which is the egg.

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That so called "bench coming together thing" only seems to be effecting Davis....so I am not buying that as an explanation. Green and West are averaging the same PPG or more in the playoffs than they did in the regular season. Baby is the only bench player who is delivering at a lower level. Less minutes in the playoffs is a given for everyone who isnt a starter - or named Jason Terry. This is 100% Glen IMO.
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Post by bobheckler Wed May 11, 2011 1:44 pm

mrkleen09 wrote:
sam wrote:In the playoffs, he's playing bench minutes. His MPG have dropped by 26%. He now ranks below JOL in playoff MPG and is just slightly ahead of Jeff Green and Delonte West. I don't think the bench has come together; and, not so coincidentally, Glen's game has fallen apart. I'm just not quite sure which is the chicken and which is the egg.

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That so called "bench coming together thing" only seems to be effecting Davis....so I am not buying that as an explanation. Green and West are averaging the same PPG or more in the playoffs than they did in the regular season. Baby is the only bench player who is delivering at a lower level. Less minutes in the playoffs is a given for everyone who isnt a starter - or named Jason Terry. This is 100% Glen IMO.



Now that Tony Allen is gone, the player on the Celtics whose game is most effected by his head, is Glen Davis.

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Post by Sam Wed May 11, 2011 2:07 pm

Bob, it could be that Glen is more dependent on a smoothly operating system than Delonte or Green, who are better able to operate in a free-lancing environment. The Celtics bench players have averaged a collective 76.7 minutes per game in the playoffs. They have averaged a collective 3.2 assists per game. Although assists aren't the only indicator of being in synch rather than in free lance mode, they're certainly one indicator.

I'd be happy to switch to a different theory. I just haven't hit upon another potential viable one yet. In one way or another, Glen always seems to have had difficulty being comfortable with his roles. All I know is that the combination of Davis, KG, Pierce, Ray and Rondo spent over 500 minutes together on the floor in the regular season—by FAR more minutes than any other Celtics combination. Glen's been eased out of that combo in the playoffs (perhaps partly because of his ineffectiveness—I don't know). For some reason, he certainly doesn't look comfortable out there in his more limited minutes. Who knows what it might be?

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Post by sinus007 Wed May 11, 2011 2:29 pm

Sam,
I agree with you - there's something deeper than weight or anything physical. I think it's mostly mental. Before BBD was Celtics Energizer Bunny. Nowdays he's honestly trying to fill those shoos but it's clearly not there.
Unfortunately, he's important part of Doc's rotations and the fact that he doesn't do what he used to puts additional load on others.

I believe his slump is one of the more important reasons for the current 1-3 situation.

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Post by Sam Wed May 11, 2011 2:37 pm

Can't argue with any of that, Sinus.

Wouldn't it be great if he broke out of it tonight and was instrumental in a Game 5 win?

Of course, it would also be great if we could get a guarantee of world peace.

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Post by RosalieTCeltics Wed May 11, 2011 4:25 pm

Maybe he just got tired of having his head hit the floor night after night when
taking charges. He really gave up his body in the first half of this season. And, as far as weight is concerned, there is no doubt that he has gained weight. When I was at the game Monday night, I could see that he had a belly, and his uniform was tight on him. So, weight is a factor.

I have tried to think back to when all of this started happening. He was so good the first few months, with talk of him being "the best sixth man" or most improved. So, when did it all go wrong????? The west coast swing when Perk was traded. (I had promised myself I was going to bring up that name, but here it is).

You are right, when was the last time he took a good charge??? JO and Pierce seem to be doing it more than anyone lately. Where did it all go wrong? This is sad, so very sad, because I was convinced Danny would not have a choice but to resign him but now I wonder what becomes of him.
The Celtics will lose another player they paid to develop, and he will go somewhere else and shine.






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Post by bobheckler Wed May 11, 2011 6:14 pm

Sadly apropos, perhaps?

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Ex-Michigan-star-Robert-8216-Tractor-8217-Tr?urn=ncaab-wp2773

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Post by mrkleen09 Wed May 11, 2011 7:02 pm

Glen Davis needs to get in shape to take his game to a higher level....but he isnt even in the same stratosphere as Tractor. That guy was 100 lbs over game weight and ballooned up even more in retirement.

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