POST GAME MIAMI GAME #4

Yes Cowturd is a serious methane producer.

Props to Lebron for being honest about not being called for fouls. I also really appreciate that he's been working on his free throws for this series. What is he 5-12?

worcester wrote:Yes Cowturd is a serious methane producer.

Props to Lebron for being honest about not being called for fouls. I also really appreciate that he's been working on his free throws for this series. What is he 5-12?

worcester,


LBJ is 29-46 from the line this series. That's 63%.

He shot 77% for the regular season and is 73% post-season. What that tells me is that he shot pretty well in the earlier series against NY and Indiana, but is tanking against us.

bob

worcester wrote:Colin Cowherd is an idiot. This morning he went on and on about how the Heat would have this thing all done if Bosh had been playing. What about Avery Bradley, Jeff Green, and Chris Wilcox? He also said that last year the Heat beat the Celtics easily- without mentioning that Rondo was playing with one arm. What a true moron when it comes to watching the Heat vs. the Celts.

You can compare the losses of Bradley vs. Bosh since they happened early in the playoffs but it's not fair to add in Green and Wilcox.
Green missed the whole season and Wilcox went out months ago.
Boston had plenty of time to make up for the losses of Green and Wilcox through a trade.

I want to see if they try to fine Rondo for calling them a bunch of crybabies!
The lady who interviewed him at the end of the game tried to trap him into taking back what he said, and he would have no part of it. He said "I said it because it is true"! I couldn't quite make out what else she was trying to say to him, then as he was trying to walk away she whispered something in his ear. Amusing to say the least. I know most NBA stars are crybabies in some way, shape or form, but these guys whined with every call. I laughed when they called that final foul on LeBron because Pietrus really kind of flopped himself! What is good for the goose.......

bobheckler wrote:

worcester wrote:Yes Cowturd is a serious methane producer.

Props to Lebron for being honest about not being called for fouls. I also really appreciate that he's been working on his free throws for this series. What is he 5-12?

worcester,


LBJ is 29-46 from the line this series. That's 63%.

He shot 77% for the regular season and is 73% post-season. What that tells me is that he shot pretty well in the earlier series against NY and Indiana, but is tanking against us.

bob

This is the 3rd series in a row that LeBron's FT% has gone down while his FG% has gone up in every series.
I wouldn't try to make much out of his shooting percentages.

tjmakz wrote:

bobheckler wrote:

worcester wrote:Yes Cowturd is a serious methane producer.

Props to Lebron for being honest about not being called for fouls. I also really appreciate that he's been working on his free throws for this series. What is he 5-12?

worcester,


LBJ is 29-46 from the line this series. That's 63%.

He shot 77% for the regular season and is 73% post-season. What that tells me is that he shot pretty well in the earlier series against NY and Indiana, but is tanking against us.

bob

This is the 3rd series in a row that LeBron's FT% has gone down while his FG% has gone up in every series.
I wouldn't try to make much out of his shooting percentages.

TJ,

Increases or decreases in FG% can be reflections of matchups, defensive rotations (or lack thereof) or just a hot hand. As has been pointed out many times on this board regarding Rondo, free throws are mostly mental. I say "mostly" because Rondo's technique was poor until recently and poor technique will limit your success. There's nothing wrong with LBJ's ft shooting technique.

bob


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Did you watch Iguodala shoot free throws in the playoffs?
That was more then mental.

Bass has been great from the line but could miss 4 in an upcoming game.
Bass didn't turn into Larry Bird because he is mentally strong.

I was playing basketball yesterday and had to shoot free throws against another guy to see who was playing in the next game. He shot and missed, then I missed. He shot and missed, then I missed. After my second miss I said to him you better make this one because my next one will be a swish. He missed and I swished it. Free throws are also about feel, not just mental.

Rosalie:

Whatever Doris Burke whispered into Rondo's ear, you can bet it wasn't, "Meet me at the No Tell Motel after the press conference." (LOL)
Now if it was Pam Oliver or Erin Andrews, that's another story.

MD!

RosalieTCeltics wrote:Loved LeBron's postgame interview,when they asked him about fouling out:

"I don't foul out"....repeated it a couple of times

King what???

Rosalie,
I think it's one of those things when you say something that you think about a lot but don't want to say aloud. Sorry, forgot how it's called scientifically.
He should've also added: "I don't travel, either"

AK

Sometimes the plan is easy to see, even if it's harder to execute.

We got lucky last night, now we can put ourselves in the drivers seat.

Win game 5 to win the conference title. Same mission for both teams but especially critical for the Celtics since the road hasn't been friendly and they only get one more shot at home.

I'll take the 1st half Celtics from last night throughout game 5, please.


P.S. Sinus; were you thinking of a Freudian Slip?

NYCelt wrote: We got lucky last night, now we can put ourselves in the drivers seat.

Celtics led for 43 of the 48 in regulation and 2.5 of the 5 min OT. How is that lucky?

mrkleen09 wrote:

NYCelt wrote: We got lucky last night, now we can put ourselves in the drivers seat.

Celtics led for 43 of the 48 in regulation and 2.5 of the 5 min OT. How is that lucky?

Did you see the 2nd half or the end of the game?

You missed a 2nd half collapse and a DWade shot that could have sent us to a 2nd OT or beat us.

How many minutes you lead a game has nothing to do with anything unless you're leading at the buzzer; it doesn't help if you lose. They only count the final score.

We let 'em back in. Wade missed. We got lucky.

THEY ENDED UP WINNING!!! Look, that shot by Mr. Heroball, Wade. goes in and they Lose. That is how they are lucky!

I don't care what anyone says, he was a fool for taking that shot and hoping that Marquis got kicked in the groin, and he would shoot free throws. Marquis showed just how smart he is by moving out of the way, after he went for the pump fake.

NYCelt wrote: Did you see the 2nd half or the end of the game?

You missed a 2nd half collapse and a DWade shot that could have sent us to a 2nd OT or beat us.

How many minutes you lead a game has nothing to do with anything unless you're leading at the buzzer; it doesn't help if you lose. They only count the final score.

We let 'em back in. Wade missed. We got lucky.

Dominating a game and then getting tired a bit at the end and having a good team tie it up is part of the up and down of a game....luck has nothing to do with it..IMO.

If Wade shot that ball 1 inch further Miami wins.
That might be considered luck.
Boston did dominate much of the game.

I do wish Rondo had kept his mouth shut about Miami. Just remember what they did to Indiana after the "choke" sign was given to LeBron. You just don't want to tick off a talented player like LeBron or Wade for that matter. It is going to be down and dirty Tuesday, Bosh is supposedly coming back (not that I fear him).

Rosalie,

I agree with you that Wade helped us out there.

If Wade had the presence of mind to lean or jump into Daniels when he had him in the air (a move Pierce has perfected and no doubt would have used) Wade would have gone to the line with three shots. Instead he clanged it.

Bad execution by Wade.

We blew an 18 point lead, had to go into OT, and nearly lost it there. We were very lucky, especially that Wade had the ball at the end.

I'm all for luck as long as it's on our side and we win!

Regards

I am praying there is still gas in the tank for game 5. This game worries me a bit. These guys are a tired bunch of basketball players right now. Every game, the second half has been a problem. So boys, get out quick, build a good lead and DON'T sit on it. Other than Rondo and Garnett, I don't know who is the key player other than Paul. Ray did great last night coming up with 16 points, but, the legs were giving way in the 4th quarter. He played the most minutes of anyone last night, I believe

Rosalie

Miami players played a lot of minutes too. And afte they caught up then actually went ahead, their offense looked just as bad as ours did and statistically it was worse.

As long as we play hard and it is close with 5 minutes to go and no one is in foul trouble I like our chances. At that time it won't be a track meet. Just have to convert those last possessions into good looks and hopefully a couple layups. Make Miami work and keep um out of the paint.

Have no clue how the game will be called based on what we have seen so far. We have to play our game and Rondo needs to cut loose.

Doc has throw some unusual lineups out there from time to time giving minutes of rest when he can. I'm sure he'll do what he can to limit them again but with so much riding on this he's gonna ride the horses till the legs do give out if need be, really has little choice.

beat

We are one tired bunch of hombres but, as beat points out, so are the Heat. LBJ and Wade both played more minutes than any Celtic.

We only scored 4 points in 5 minutes. Think that's bad? The Heat only scored 2.

bob

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bobheckler wrote:We are one tired bunch of hombres but, as beat points out, so are the Heat. LBJ and Wade both played more minutes than any Celtic.

We only scored 4 points in 5 minutes. Think that's bad? The Heat only scored 2.

bob

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And there is the mental tired too that you can't put into numbers. I've watched the reactions when we get an easy hoop and there sure appears to be a lot of sighs and looks at each other by the Miami players. Mentally we have to be in a better frame of mind than they are.

Remember 2 games ago when Miami came out and ran it down our throats even after our makes. I am shocked that they have not pushed it much since then. Would not be surprised to see that tomorrow.

beat

These games are knock, down drag out battles. Tough battles lead to debilitation. Debilitation can influence shots. Even by an inch.

If KG had missed a long one at the buzzer, we'd be reading endlessly about how his legs were weakened because of all the debilitating minutes. What makes KG subject to debilitation and Dwayne Wade impervious to an inch worth of debilitation? If two Celtics hadn't accidentally tipped in a Heat basket, the Celts could potentially have been leading by two possessions when Wade went up for that shot. Was that accidental tip-in a matter of bad luck or just a factor in the game? The Heat won the tip in overtime, giving them a slight advantage that the rules of the game would give the Celtics no chance to duplicate. Was that lucky for the Heat, or was it just one of myriad factors in the game? If, if, if.

The fact is that the Boston Celtics played a more heroic game than the Miami Heat—even if just by a bit. On the last play, Wade was very well defended. Because of that defense, Wade had to drift to the right to get the shot off. He also had to execute a very good but, nonetheless time consuming ball fake. In addition to being slightly short, the shot was rushed and slightly to the right. Did his having to drift right influence that inch by which the shot missed? Wade twice made it a point, after the game, to mention how much their comeback took out of them. Was that a matter of bad luck for the Heat or an outstanding run out of the gate by the Celtics? Yes, the shot missed by an inch. There were many shots during the game that missed by an inch. So what? What makes this miss lucky for the Celtics and all the other Celtics and Heat misses nondescript?

The fact is that the Boston Celtics came up just a tad bigger than the Miami Head when it counted, largely because the Celts refused to surrender the game to fatigue, even in the face of a Heat onslaught and overtime. When all the hits and misses and pushes and shoves and agony and ecstasy and fouls and timeouts and other influences on the outcome were finished, the Boston Celtics won the game, even by the slimmest of margins. The Heat did not lose it.

This is what I've been talking about in poo pooing all the referee talk concerning Game 2. The Heat won that game, even by a hair's breadth. That was it!!!! Stuff happens, and a close examination of that game would undoubtedly reveal as many as hundreds of tiny factors that influenced the game. Yet there's a tendency for a lot of fans to isolate one factor on which to focus in a vacuum. Rotgut! On to Game 3.

No offense to anybody, but luck be damned. The Celtics won this game.

Go Celtics in Game 5. Focus, focus, focus.

Sam

Touche' Sam, ON TO GAME 5. I am so amped up already that I am driving my family crazy. I was going through some things the other day and found a copy of a poem I wrote when the Celtics won in 1969. Someday I will put it here for everyone to see. The Globe put the poem in the paper and I sent it to Red, who wrote me a letter after he got it. The crazy things this crazy Celtics fan has done over the years is unbelievable!!

I want this game so bad I can taste it, as I see most of the rest of you do too.

GO CELTICS!!!!

Sam,
I agree with your general premise: luck or debilitation (let's call it players). But I beg to differ in regards to Game 2. There, we had the third, external parameter introduced into the "equation." I believe that some of the calls/no-calls against Celtics that greatly influenced the outcome of the game were deliberate, which excludes them from category of luck. And they definitely can't be considered "players" part.

AK

Sinus

Agree and to be even a bit more specific the no call on Rondo and ensuing points by Miami late in game 2 came so late that it afforded us NO time to fight back. Had that call been made in the first quarter at least we would have had over 1/2 the game to make it a non-factor. The pressure rises on the players and on the officials as a close game moves towards a conclusion and double that if it's a nailbiter. I'm am reasonably sure the refs want to get all calls right however missing what sure appears to be the obvious to us is a bit tough to understand.

The premise that winning by a point and going back and looking at any play on the surface is correct, a miss in the first quarter is statistically the same as a miss in the 4th. And losing by 1 makes any miss during the game the difference.

I think all fans want a fairly called game one that the refs make the same call on each team stars or subs. It is an easy out to blame the officials but when a team is a bit undermanned and has fought tooth and nail to overcome and be right there with a chance to take a lead with under a minute to go and a bad/non/wrong call goes against them, that is when it becomes very hard to swallow.

I'd rather be out in front enough so that is not a factor but as we have seen getting a lead seems attainable, sustaining it is quite another issue. Somehow we have to find consistent offense for 48 minutes not 30. And Rondo is the key to that.

beat